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Will he ever change?

18 replies

Cantheyeverchange · 08/10/2025 13:30

We’ve been together 10 years and have two children (5 and 2). We’re not married.

There have been repeated breaches of trust over the years - messaging other women, flirting online, and even calling escorts while away with friends. He insists nothing physical ever happened and claims the escort calls were “for all of them” instead of a strip club.

When we first met, he admitted to cheating on his ex several times but said they were “terrible mistakes” he’d learned from. Looking back, I feel like I’ve spent years being treated like a fool which he now even admits. Even early on, when I was heavily pregnant, he’d go out drinking, say he was coming home, then switch off his phone so I couldn’t “pester” him, and call me controlling when I got upset.

The escort calls happened when our second baby was only a few months old and I had no support. I told his parents what had happened, hoping they’d hold him accountable, but they didn’t even mention it to him. When everything came to a head with me, they said they didn’t care what he’d done because they loved him. It broke something in me.

I lost my mum when I was 15 and don’t have any family in the UK, so I’ve never really had a support network here. I also quit work when our eldest was 2 to be a stay-at-home mum. I know some will say that was a mistake, but it felt right for our family at the time. All of this has made me even more dependent on him emotionally and practically, which makes everything that’s happened much harder to untangle.

This week, I found proof that he had interacted with a sexual post on Instagram again - the post itself was from last year. He says that was before a “realisation” last summer that he couldn’t lose me. Around that same time, we had a huge argument with his family because of how they treated and spoke to me, and he went no contact with them afterwards. He says that whole experience changed him completely and that he’s valued me ever since.

I’d repeatedly asked for marriage over the years, and there was always an excuse - timing, money, stress, family issues. Now I know why. He even got as far as buying a diamond a couple of years ago, but nothing ever came of it.

Now he says he’ll do whatever it takes - therapy (alone or together), full transparency, password (which I already have) giving up nights out drinking — and he’s talked about wanting to finally marry me. He says his parents never held him accountable and they never spoke about things and that’s why he acted this way. He calls himself a “piece of shit” and says he wants to be the husband and father we deserve.

But when I asked him what he’d do if he were drunk and an attractive woman came on to him, he said, “I’d like to think I wouldn’t.” It was honest, but not exactly reassuring.

He says the online stuff was “exciting” for him when he was drunk, and that he wanted validation, especially when things were rocky between us, which they have been.

He really is a loving dad, and our kids adore him. It would devastate our 5 year old if we split, and that’s a huge part of why I stay. But I’m exhausted and don’t know if this “new him” is genuine change or just fear of losing me.

Has anyone rebuilt trust after years of betrayal like this? How do you know when someone’s truly changed and when you’re just clinging to hope because you don’t want to blow up your family?

OP posts:
PussInBin20 · 08/10/2025 13:36

Well he can’t even trust himself can he, so how will you?

I’d leave, he sounds selfish and totally unloyal.

neveradmit17 · 08/10/2025 13:36

No he will never change.

NessShaness · 08/10/2025 13:38

No, he won’t.

This is who he is. He is a serial cheat, it’s in his blood.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 08/10/2025 14:33

No he won’t change. Be on your own with your kids, it’s far better for you all than being with a serial cheat. He’s only sorry because he’s been caught out.

Once trust has gone it is nigh on impossible for it to return.

It is HE who has blown up this family unit, not you, by his actions. He acted of his own free will here.

Don’t continue to show your kids this example of a relationship is acceptable to you. In addition staying for the sake of the kids never works out all that well because your relationship is based on
a lie. It could be argued that you’re staying for your own sake rather than theirs because it’s somehow “easier” for you to stay. Well it is not. You’ve already handed over too
much power to him as it is, do not give him any more.

You need to go back into the workplace too.

Endofyear · 08/10/2025 15:18

No of course he won't - you know this and just really don't want to admit it to yourself. Don't go for couples counselling, have some counselling for yourself. It might help you face facts and plan for the future.

VimesandhisCardboardBoots · 08/10/2025 15:34

My Dad has, but only because he's reached his mid 60's and realised that if he loses his latest girlfriend there's a good chance he's probably going to die alone

ThreePears · 08/10/2025 15:36

He won't change. He enjoys it too much.

Dweetfidilove · 08/10/2025 15:38

Why would he change? This is exhilarating for him and you're determined to keep him, so he has zero incentive to do anything differently.

Jellybunny56 · 08/10/2025 15:41

PussInBin20 · 08/10/2025 13:36

Well he can’t even trust himself can he, so how will you?

I’d leave, he sounds selfish and totally unloyal.

This response nails it for me.

If I asked my husband that question, or if he asked me, both of us could and would with complete confidence state that it wouldn’t matter who it was, how drunk we were, what the situation is, nothing would ever happen.

Your partner doesn’t even trust himself, and for good reason, he knows what he is like, he has SHOWN you what he is like- believe him.

Catpiece · 08/10/2025 15:47

A leopard can change its spots, but it’s still the same leopard…

Seaoftroubles · 08/10/2025 15:49

No of course not, he has shown you who is. Men like this canot change, he's had enough chances! I notice he's blaming you and his parents but not himself.
If you separate you can co parent together and he can still be a good parent to your children.And you are not 'blowing your family up', he's done that all on his own.

DaisyChain505 · 08/10/2025 15:50

If he didn’t change the first time, the second time, the third time or the rest of them why do you think it will happen now?

This is who he is and how he’s decided you deserve to be treated.

Prove him wrong and leave so he doesn’t have that power anymore.

Arlanymor · 08/10/2025 15:51

If he couldn't change his ways when he became a parent - the biggest responsibility in the world - why on earth would he change now? It's very convenient that he's using the blow up with his parents as this sudden moment of clarity. And then blaming them for not holding him accountable? And also blaming you for his actions in the past? He's supposed to be a grown adult isn't he? Why isn't he holding himself accountable? I would definitely say yes to the counselling but no to everything else, because I think he is far from a changed man. He calls himself a POS... but actions speak louder than words and his actions have been appalling for many, many years.

TwinklyWrinkly · 08/10/2025 15:55

He almost certainly won't change. However, I'll be honest. I'd be tempted to get married (just a very small "me, you & 2 witnesses type thing") for security really soon if he is genuine about that, and then after having counselling for yourself, divorce his sorry ass. It's going to take you a while to sort through everything enough to leave him anyway, it's unlikely to be immediate. At least that way when you leave you are covered by legal paperwork. I'm not a calculating gold digger or cold hearted, but you deserve some legal, monetary protection for what you have put up with. But that's just me and others will probably say to just leave him asap and be done with him, which also a very valid point of you

cestlavielife · 08/10/2025 16:40

Why would he change? Hehas you thereto do his bidding and everything else on the side.
Leave. Or put up. Your choice. Hecan be " great dad" away from you

ThatCyanCat · 08/10/2025 16:49

No, he won't change.

kellygoeswest · 08/10/2025 16:54

I'm sorry, he won't change. It's clear he doesn't even want to.

Defiantly41 · 08/10/2025 17:29

No. When someone tells you who they are, believe them.

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