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Feel like I'm losing my mind

20 replies

Drowningwaving · 06/10/2025 13:56

I've been with my partner for 18 years, 2 teenaged kids. It hasn't always been easy but things are really bad now.
The way I see it, a major issue in our communication has always been that he assumes intent on my behalf, and that becomes the framework for the conversation. An example from the early days might be
Him: why don't you want to have sex with me?
Me: I don't know why you think that i don't, sounds lovely
Him: I don't want a duty shag

This type of thing has pervaded our relationship, and I have become more and more distant and closed down, it feels impossible to have an open conversation about difficult things.

There is loads of background, but we are in a difficult patch. He apologised for a snarky response. I was trying to get a job application done so didn't respond much, I was just trying to hold my shit together. He knew this, I'd already said I was feeling overwhelmed and just needed to do this one thing.

He then says 'Do you have any thoughts about what I said that aren't about you?'

I left the room to continue the application. Later he came to me to say that it was a simple question etc etc.

I emailed him later:
"Do you have any thoughts about what I said that aren't about you?"
This isn't a simple question, it's a loaded question.

I don't know where to go with loaded questions, blame, accusations - they all start from an unhelpful place - I can either accept your framing, which often assumes intent that I do not recognise, so to accept it can feel like abandoning myself, or challenge it, which often results in you accusing me of gaslighting. It all feels too binary.

If you want to have conversations where I am not defensive, I would find it helpful to have genuinely simple questions.

To be clear, I am not claiming to be blameless, I know I have said and done things to hurt you. You have said and done things to hurt me. Both of these things are true.

His response:
I think you need to think about that question, why I as asking it and how you relate to it.
There was no blame, no framing no accusation. I'd hoped you could use it to get somewhere more constructive.

Id hoped it was an invitation to move past your reflexive stuff. Which is what I got.

I didn't do a bad thing asking you to stop thinking about yourself for 5 minutes.

You don't need to project anything onto that. It's not moving anything forward for you or me.

I think it would be a simple question for most people.

There is a reason I asked it exactly as I did. It's not a trap, it's basic human stuff.

But it's right at the heart of all this for me.

And so here we are, for context, I have ptsd following physical assault and whilst he is free to say anything he likes, and does so, I'm scared of the consequences of saying the wrong thing. I go into a shutdown response and if I say this he calls me abusive.

I really don't know if I am losing my mind, on the one hand it all seems clear , on the other, what if he's right? I feel like I'm losing the ground beneath my feet.

OP posts:
jolies1 · 06/10/2025 13:57

Honestly without really knowing the dynamics of your relationship it sounds as if he was trying to pick a fight to get in the way of you doing something important for yourself.

EvenMoreFuriousVexation · 06/10/2025 14:42

OP, the physical assault you mentioned, was that from him?

Drowningwaving · 06/10/2025 14:43

EvenMoreFuriousVexation · 06/10/2025 14:42

OP, the physical assault you mentioned, was that from him?

Yes

OP posts:
FlorenceAgainstTheMachine · 06/10/2025 14:44

Drowningwaving · 06/10/2025 14:43

Yes

What are the benefits to you for remaining in this relationship, OP?

CryptoFascist · 06/10/2025 14:47

You won't be able to shape this into something acceptable for you to remain in. When you stay with someone who is abusive, they will abuse. You can't talk your way out of them being abusive. That is them, it is their nature.
The only way to not be a victim is to leave.

bitterexwife · 06/10/2025 14:53

I’m exhausted reading this! It’s like he thinks he’s some psychology expert, but seems actually quite stupid!
He’s physically assaulted you and is now being tiring as fuck/ emotionally abusive.
what’s the point!?

Ionlymakejokestodistractmyself · 06/10/2025 14:58

You're not losing your mind, that feels very gaslighting to me.

He sounds narcissistic and the very nature of that is that he will not and cannot accept blame on himself so it is futile trying to get him to.

timeandagainagain · 06/10/2025 15:00

I agree with previous posters. I spent years in a toxic relationship thinking is this abuse or not abuse? I kept thinking that if only he had physically assaulted me, it would have been a simple decision to leave. Maybe naive of me, but it seems to me like you have had your decision handed to you on a platter. Why are you psychoanalyzing a psycho who would raise his hand to you, and, who is obviously playing some insane mind games too.

Savemydrink · 06/10/2025 15:20

He sounds like a dangerous creep. Please get away from him, this is a toxic relationship.

sonjadog · 06/10/2025 15:34

He is a headfuck and that question was meant to confuse you. Any way you answered would have been wrong and an opportunity for him to list your inadequacies. You can't win this one and it will grind you down over time. The best thing to do is walk away (I know, I have been there and had these same brainmelting conversations).

OuijaBoard · 06/10/2025 15:45

Effective communication is two-way. Someone conveys a message, the other person receives and processes it. The communication you've described here is one-way because he's making up both sides of the conversation and not listening to what you say.

Aside from the fact that it's probably not ideal to communicate over email versus verbally and ideally face to face, there's nothing straightforward about his question. Do you have any thoughts about what I said is fine, but adding that aren't about you is intended to chide and blame you, putting you at a disadvantage in what should be a completely mutually beneficial conversation. Why does he do this? And he knows he does it because he then insists I didn't do a bad thing asking you to stop thinking about yourself for 5 minutes. He wasn't asking what you thought, he was demanding that you drop everything and give him your full attention a time when he knew full well you needed to concentrate on something that had nothing to do with him. He's not a child; why did he desperately need your attention RIGHT THEN?

I have ptsd following physical assault and whilst he is free to say anything he likes, and does so, I'm scared of the consequences of saying the wrong thing. I go into a shutdown response and if I say this he calls me abusive.

WTH? I'm really struggling to think of a context where his comment could be anything but intentional gaslighting. Has he made ANY effort to understand what you're going through, or PTSD in general?

I'd suggest couples counseling if he'll go, so a trained professional could keep you both on track and redirect him when he bullies you, and similar with anything you might be doing that derails communication. BUT if he's emotionally abusive, counseling won't work and it's probably best to leave him alone to work through his own issues in his own time; no longer your problem.

BumpyaDaisyevna · 06/10/2025 15:54

What a headf**k. Don’t usually swear on here but that’s the only way that really describes it!

It sounds exhausting. I could barely follow it for all the hidden traps, concealed hoops and general pseudomentalising.

JadziaD · 06/10/2025 15:57

So... he is emotionally abusive, manipulative and controlling and he has been physically abusive?

Honestly OP, there is nothing here worth saving. You should do your best to leave as soon as possible.

Oh, and for the avoidance of doubt, Do you have any thoughts about what I said that aren't about you? is 100% a loaded question designed to make you defensive and upset.

If DH said that to me, even in the next five minutes when there isn't a cross word between or us or any issues... I'd take that badly.

MsPavlichenko · 06/10/2025 16:00

He’s abusing you. That’s why you feel like you’re losing your mind. He won’t change, it will get worse, he’s already assaulted you . You need to get out of the relationship. Look for help online, or by calling. Do this too.

www.freedomprogramme.co.uk/

AttilaTheMeerkat · 06/10/2025 16:08

Abuse is not a relationship problem
nor is it about communication or a perceived lack of. it’s about power and control.

Never do any form of joint counselling with him.

How can you be helped into leaving your abuser?.

Not just content with physically assaulting you (the first time he plays hands on you was when this relationship was really over)he’s now further going full on to manipulate you and otherwise give you spaghetti head which is all part of his abuse of you and in turn your kids. The emotional harm also being done to them here by is incalculable and they’re certainly picking up on all the vibes, both spoken and unspoken here between you two.

80s · 06/10/2025 16:16

I really don't know if I am losing my mind, on the one hand it all seems clear , on the other, what if he's right? I feel like I'm losing the ground beneath my feet.
It doesn't matter who is right about what. What matters is that being with him is making you feel unhappy. You don't have to prove that your feeling is justified before you do something to feel better. You feel unhappy, and that's enough.

EvenMoreFuriousVexation · 06/10/2025 16:53

How long ago did he assault you OP? what happened as a result?

I'm wondering if he agreed to go into therapy as a result of that, because some of the things he's saying to you sound like he's using therapy-speak against you. Particularly the accusing you of gaslighting.

toiletpaperthief · 06/10/2025 17:01

Drowningwaving · 06/10/2025 13:56

I've been with my partner for 18 years, 2 teenaged kids. It hasn't always been easy but things are really bad now.
The way I see it, a major issue in our communication has always been that he assumes intent on my behalf, and that becomes the framework for the conversation. An example from the early days might be
Him: why don't you want to have sex with me?
Me: I don't know why you think that i don't, sounds lovely
Him: I don't want a duty shag

This type of thing has pervaded our relationship, and I have become more and more distant and closed down, it feels impossible to have an open conversation about difficult things.

There is loads of background, but we are in a difficult patch. He apologised for a snarky response. I was trying to get a job application done so didn't respond much, I was just trying to hold my shit together. He knew this, I'd already said I was feeling overwhelmed and just needed to do this one thing.

He then says 'Do you have any thoughts about what I said that aren't about you?'

I left the room to continue the application. Later he came to me to say that it was a simple question etc etc.

I emailed him later:
"Do you have any thoughts about what I said that aren't about you?"
This isn't a simple question, it's a loaded question.

I don't know where to go with loaded questions, blame, accusations - they all start from an unhelpful place - I can either accept your framing, which often assumes intent that I do not recognise, so to accept it can feel like abandoning myself, or challenge it, which often results in you accusing me of gaslighting. It all feels too binary.

If you want to have conversations where I am not defensive, I would find it helpful to have genuinely simple questions.

To be clear, I am not claiming to be blameless, I know I have said and done things to hurt you. You have said and done things to hurt me. Both of these things are true.

His response:
I think you need to think about that question, why I as asking it and how you relate to it.
There was no blame, no framing no accusation. I'd hoped you could use it to get somewhere more constructive.

Id hoped it was an invitation to move past your reflexive stuff. Which is what I got.

I didn't do a bad thing asking you to stop thinking about yourself for 5 minutes.

You don't need to project anything onto that. It's not moving anything forward for you or me.

I think it would be a simple question for most people.

There is a reason I asked it exactly as I did. It's not a trap, it's basic human stuff.

But it's right at the heart of all this for me.

And so here we are, for context, I have ptsd following physical assault and whilst he is free to say anything he likes, and does so, I'm scared of the consequences of saying the wrong thing. I go into a shutdown response and if I say this he calls me abusive.

I really don't know if I am losing my mind, on the one hand it all seems clear , on the other, what if he's right? I feel like I'm losing the ground beneath my feet.

He just responded with a stupid word salad that makes no sense but somehow he needs to show you he's got the upper hand. He has no clue what his point is, lacks the intelectual capacity to properly explain it while feeling the need to belittle you at the same time. I would not entertain this nonsense. He sounds like a text book narcissist.

Pezdeoro41 · 06/10/2025 17:25

This really took me back to my emotionally abusive ex, I would get this stuff all the time. Honestly the day I left was such a relief, I have never looked back. He is gaslighting you, absolutely, you have will never find your way out of that maze, you have to just walk away from it.

Endofyear · 06/10/2025 20:49

OP if he has physically assaulted you before, of course you are going to be anxious and wary in your responses. He is an abusive controlling bully and you must know that you need to get away from him for good. Please contact Women's Aid for support. You deserve better than this awful exhausting horrible man.

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