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What would you do?

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Snard4 · 20/09/2025 14:34

Sorry about the vague title.

I’ll try and keep this brief as I’m so, so tired.

partner and I have 4 kids. One of them has adhd and challenging behaviour. His dad gets so angry with him. Yesterday he said “fuck you”, “fuck off” and called him a “fucking idiot”. LTB territory, right?

The problem is partner is extremely stressed with work right now. He’s talking about jumping off a bridge and telling me that we’d all be better off without him. I’ve begged him to get help and some meds or something, but he won’t.

Please help me. What do I do with this? 😢

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LivingWithANob · 20/09/2025 14:39

Get rid of partner. Child comes first. My oldest has asd and my exH could never be on his wavelength as wasnt prepared to educate himself on asd. He just was of the mindset of hes having us on/being awkward. Child should not be spoken to like that sorry

Poisonwood · 20/09/2025 14:40

I would inform members of his family and his GP so they can support him as necessary and I would break up. No child deserves to live in an abusive household, regardless of the excuses given.

It is far, far less tiring dealing with children and challenges on your own than with someone who makes it worse.

GrumpyInsomniac · 20/09/2025 14:44

It’s a tough one. On the one hand, you don’t want to dismiss a genuine mental health crisis. On the other, his behaviour towards your son is completely unacceptable. So my question is whether this is genuine, or is he talking about jumping off a bridge to get you to back off from telling him his behaviour is unacceptable and that he needs to apologise to your son?

Suicide threats can be genuine, or they can be a tool of manipulation to flip the script and have you saying “no dear, of course we wouldn’t be better off without you, we love you and need you. Shall I get you a cuppa or give you a hug or otherwise prostrate myself before your ego so you can dodge accountability?”

You need to work out which this is and act accordingly. If he’s refusing to get help, I’d be leaning towards him being more arsehole than depressed. You clearly need to have a conversation with him that goes along the lines of “I know and understand that you are stressed, but that does not give you the right to swear at our son who cannot help having ADHD. You will alienate him if you continue that way. You are still accountable for your behaviour and this can still be a win if you are able to apologise to him and be a great example of someone who can admit they were wrong and make amends. That’s the kind of parent he needs and you can be that parent if you choose.” His response to that will tell you everything you need to know.

His stress level should not be what dictates the atmosphere in the house.

Snard4 · 20/09/2025 14:59

GrumpyInsomniac · 20/09/2025 14:44

It’s a tough one. On the one hand, you don’t want to dismiss a genuine mental health crisis. On the other, his behaviour towards your son is completely unacceptable. So my question is whether this is genuine, or is he talking about jumping off a bridge to get you to back off from telling him his behaviour is unacceptable and that he needs to apologise to your son?

Suicide threats can be genuine, or they can be a tool of manipulation to flip the script and have you saying “no dear, of course we wouldn’t be better off without you, we love you and need you. Shall I get you a cuppa or give you a hug or otherwise prostrate myself before your ego so you can dodge accountability?”

You need to work out which this is and act accordingly. If he’s refusing to get help, I’d be leaning towards him being more arsehole than depressed. You clearly need to have a conversation with him that goes along the lines of “I know and understand that you are stressed, but that does not give you the right to swear at our son who cannot help having ADHD. You will alienate him if you continue that way. You are still accountable for your behaviour and this can still be a win if you are able to apologise to him and be a great example of someone who can admit they were wrong and make amends. That’s the kind of parent he needs and you can be that parent if you choose.” His response to that will tell you everything you need to know.

His stress level should not be what dictates the atmosphere in the house.

Thank you for this. I’ve said it. I feel like it’s fallen on deaf ears.

He is genuinely down and he does genuinely love our children (including son with adhd) and I’ve told him it’s unacceptable.

I think I know what to do. It’s so hard though.

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Snard4 · 20/09/2025 14:59

GrumpyInsomniac · 20/09/2025 14:44

It’s a tough one. On the one hand, you don’t want to dismiss a genuine mental health crisis. On the other, his behaviour towards your son is completely unacceptable. So my question is whether this is genuine, or is he talking about jumping off a bridge to get you to back off from telling him his behaviour is unacceptable and that he needs to apologise to your son?

Suicide threats can be genuine, or they can be a tool of manipulation to flip the script and have you saying “no dear, of course we wouldn’t be better off without you, we love you and need you. Shall I get you a cuppa or give you a hug or otherwise prostrate myself before your ego so you can dodge accountability?”

You need to work out which this is and act accordingly. If he’s refusing to get help, I’d be leaning towards him being more arsehole than depressed. You clearly need to have a conversation with him that goes along the lines of “I know and understand that you are stressed, but that does not give you the right to swear at our son who cannot help having ADHD. You will alienate him if you continue that way. You are still accountable for your behaviour and this can still be a win if you are able to apologise to him and be a great example of someone who can admit they were wrong and make amends. That’s the kind of parent he needs and you can be that parent if you choose.” His response to that will tell you everything you need to know.

His stress level should not be what dictates the atmosphere in the house.

You’re right.Thank you

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Snard4 · 20/09/2025 15:00

LivingWithANob · 20/09/2025 14:39

Get rid of partner. Child comes first. My oldest has asd and my exH could never be on his wavelength as wasnt prepared to educate himself on asd. He just was of the mindset of hes having us on/being awkward. Child should not be spoken to like that sorry

This sounds familiar. Thank you.

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Snard4 · 20/09/2025 15:01

I’ve actually begged partner to apologise- and mean it- but I don’t think he has. It’s always “I’m sorry but,” which to me is not a genuine apology.

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Snard4 · 20/09/2025 15:07

Sorry, I double quoted one reply and didn’t reply to another by accident. My brain is mush!

Thank you all 💐

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GrumpyInsomniac · 20/09/2025 15:30

Snard4 · 20/09/2025 15:01

I’ve actually begged partner to apologise- and mean it- but I don’t think he has. It’s always “I’m sorry but,” which to me is not a genuine apology.

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You’re right, it’s not an apology. For what it’s worth, my DH is generally lovely but also didn’t understand how the ‘but’ negated the apology until I absolutely laid it out to him, then pulled him up on it whenever he tried it. I didn’t do it aggressively, just asked if he was genuinely sorry he had upset me, and if he said yes, told him that was all he needed to say and that it didn’t need him to qualify it. If he really wanted to expand on it, he could specify why he was apologising in a “I’m sorry I hurt you when I said x”. Or he could say, “I’m sorry. I’m so stressed at the moment but I didn’t mean to take it out on you.” Both of which are more acceptable to me than the “I’m sorry but…”

I have seen my PILs argue over the course of our relationship and it is very apparent that he did not have good role models in this area - they have many good qualities but this is not one of them. They argued so much when DH and his siblings were kids that they were desperate for them to divorce. So he never had anyone who took accountability and gave an unconditional apology. I’ve worked very hard to both teach him how to do better and to model the behaviour so our son sees it and knows that it’s a strength, not a weakness.

If he is genuinely down, point him at something like Andy’s Man Club or your local Men’s Shed, assuming he doesn’t want to go to a doctor.

I’ve been through the wringer with DH somewhat this last couple of years. There has been stuff that has happened in his family that has been very painful and he has been depressed and has not handled it well. He has been horrible to live with. As was our son, for the same reasons. And of course I was grieving too because I had known the people we lost for half my life, and it came on top of some significant issues in my family. But I kept trying to keep things together and give them both grace and understanding while they grieved.

I got the balance right with our son but less so with DH. We eventually had a quite heated conversation a few months back after he had been pretty obnoxious about something. I laid things out in fairly stark terms of what I had been shouldering during this period and how unfair it was for him to take things out on me, and that was a genuine wake-up call. He apologised and has stopped being the house thundercloud. He says I should have spoken up sooner: I don’t think he would have listened any earlier.

DH now acknowledges that the only one who can do something about his mental health is him. I can support him as best I can, ensure he feels loved, and listen to him, but he has to take responsibility for getting well, whether that’s finding a creative outlet, seeing the GP, or joining a support group. And he knows that responsibility extends to how he treats those around him. He’s now getting on better with our son and is also just much nicer to know now he’s more conscious of how far things had gone.

So I hear you. And I guess I’m saying that it can get better, and there can be good reasons why someone doesn’t have the emotional skills to disagree kindly and make amends. And that it doesn’t have to be a LTB matter if they are willing to acknowledge what they’re doing and work on it and show genuine progress. So it’s up to your DH, in many ways, and whether there are any mitigating circumstances like there were for mine that mean you’re prepared to extend him more patience.

Sorry. I’ve waffled on a bit, but I hope this helps in some way 💐

SingtotheCat · 20/09/2025 16:29

I recognise a less extreme version of myself in your husband, but it was my husband who gently but very firmly challenged me to look at my behaviour and do better, while managing to empathise. It set a boundary for me, I think I am a good-hearted person who just needed pulling up on rare occasions as a younger woman with young children/babies.
Only you know how decent he is, deep down.

user892734543544 · 20/09/2025 17:02

I would flag this with professionals because that's a terrifying threat and family annihilation is a thing. Then I'd break up with him.

Snard4 · 21/09/2025 06:54

Very grateful for the responses. Thank you. @GrumpyInsomniac lots of food for thought. 💐

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