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Not sure if our marriage is salvageable

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Chocochick · 07/09/2025 23:07

Long time lurker here; haven’t posted in a long time. Been married 15 years, together for 19. 2 boys (10 and 12). DH is British, I am not. We lived in the U.K. until just over a year and a half ago when we moved abroad to a European country (not my place of birth but same language as my native tongue).

DH still works in the U.K. and initially he had said he would be able to work remotely for at least half of the time but this has increasingly changed as his job is very demanding and he often spends two weeks away. Our relationship has been strained for a while with our differences driving us apart: he is distant, emotionally unavailable and a people-pleaser with an inability to connect in any deep or meaningful way. I have recently discovered I have ADHD (as does my youngest DS) which, in turn, comes with emotional deregulation, over sharing and a need for stimulation.

His excessive drinking has been an issue throughout our relationship until around a year ago when he seemed to start to realise he needed to change. He began to drink less and this had a positive impact. However, a recent visit from a friend turned into a massive binge which led to him being hangover the next day and the kids seeing him in a complete state. I was really pissed off and, although he apologised, he did so defiantly saying “it will happen again” and that I basically needed to be accepting and forgiving.

I admit I have been distant and cold towards him as I felt I needed to detach and take some distance. He was away for 2 weeks and when he came back, the situation became unbearable so we went for a chat today and he basically said that after a few therapy sessions (for the first time ever he agreed to go to therapy a few months ago when we hit yet another rocky patch) he realised that he has been co-dependent all his life due to childhood trauma (his parents separated and his Mum tried to commit suicide so he became his carer when he was around 9). He says his whole world has been shattered as he feels he has suppressed his emotions and feelings to please everyone and he now doesn’t know who he is or what he wants.

He said he is questioning all of his relationships, including ours, and that he doesn’t know where this would lead. In a very cold manner, he also told
me he had thought about separating and what that would be like. Bearing in mind we are abroad and on a temporary visa, this could have very serious implications although he said “we would still be a family”.

I am really struggling with his pragmatic approach and his lack of commitment to work through this together. He is someone who lacks empathy and doesn’t show emotion at all which makes it harder as our lack of connection has driven a massive wedge between us. He kept saying he didn’t know if he would want to stay together after he’s done his “soul searching”. I told him it was very unfair for him to sit on the fence and expect me to wait around and that if he wasn’t willing to commit to working on our relationship, that he should be upfront and clear about it.

He ended up saying he wants to work at it but that it has to “radically change”. I’m feeling lost and very deflated. We’d also spoken about him trying to find a job that allows him to be with us more and tonight he said: “I love my job and I’ve changed my mind” without having discussed this with me or think about the implications for the kids who believe he will be here more often.

I’m having lots of mixed emotions: on the one hand, I feel it is right to fight to save our marriage (and I am scared of the financial implications of a separation as he is a high earner and I am not). On the other, I feel that he is emotionally handicapped to a point where nothing will really change and wonder if it’s worth to continue to pretend that it will.

Sorry for long post. Any words of wisdom and advice would be much appreciated as I feel quite numb right now.

Thank you

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DeeKitch · 07/09/2025 23:12

He needs to change - no good him saying ‘things need to change’

do you have support around you? X

Sashya · 07/09/2025 23:21

He is right - your relationship needs to change. You two need couples counselling to start with.
As you the practicalities - why did you move away from the UK if he has a UK-based high earning job? Do you work? I'd move back to the UK and work on your marriage - and it'll require efforts from you and him.

You sound resentful of him - but I do not think it's fair to expect him to become a totally different person that he has been for the past 19 years. You lived together for 10 years before deciding to have children, and then raised them together for years. So - the relationship must have worked before.
He may or may not have well developed empathy. That he can not control - men are often less empathetic than women. A relationship does not need to end over it.

Chocochick · 07/09/2025 23:39

@DeeKitch My parents are here but they have decided to go back to my home country so no family support although I have a good network of friends.

@Sashya We both decided moving was a good idea, although it was mainly driven by me. After Brexit, the U.K. seems to have become an increasingly hostile place and so felt unwelcomed so didn’t want my children to grow up in that culture. We are in an amazing place with a very good lifestyle but our problems have not improved. Quite the opposite. We did couples therapy a few years back but didn’t stick with it long enough for it to make a big difference. I feel we definitely need therapy again to determine whether we can work through this or not. I have often fantasised with a separation but the real prospect of it scares me, especially as the boys would want to go back to the U.K. if that happened and I’d be devastated.

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Trendyname · 08/09/2025 00:58

Chocochick · 07/09/2025 23:39

@DeeKitch My parents are here but they have decided to go back to my home country so no family support although I have a good network of friends.

@Sashya We both decided moving was a good idea, although it was mainly driven by me. After Brexit, the U.K. seems to have become an increasingly hostile place and so felt unwelcomed so didn’t want my children to grow up in that culture. We are in an amazing place with a very good lifestyle but our problems have not improved. Quite the opposite. We did couples therapy a few years back but didn’t stick with it long enough for it to make a big difference. I feel we definitely need therapy again to determine whether we can work through this or not. I have often fantasised with a separation but the real prospect of it scares me, especially as the boys would want to go back to the U.K. if that happened and I’d be devastated.

You say in op it’s unfair on you that he is on fence and expects you to wait but in your update you say you often fantasise about separation but afraid that your kids would want to move back to UK. Based on that I would say you are not being fair on your kids and dh.

Like you I am also a foreigner and so many foreigners still live in the UK. I know UK has a lot of problems. But it cannot be that hostile that your kids would make a choice to go back.

You say the country you live in is great, you have friends but you are financial dependant on your dh. It seems like you are keeping this marriage going for the wrong reasons.

Are you in Spain as you say you are in a European country where they speak your native language but you are not from there? In that case I can see how much more attractive the country is than UK given weather, vibrant culture but it seems like your dh cared for you to move there considering he is career oriented and high income job comes with high stress and to do that move for your wife when she is fantasising to separate from you is not fair on him.

Chocochick · 08/09/2025 01:19

@Trendyname We have both fantasised about a separation since our relationship has been deteriorating. A few months back, on our shared saved passwords (I was trying to search for a password I couldn’t remember), I found one for an odd-sounding website that I didn’t recognise. Upon clicking on it, it took me to a “Fuck Buddy” page. I confronted him and he was “offended” that I had even contemplated he would do something like this and said he had no idea about it. I chose to believe him…tonight, I decided to search again. I found another strange website and when I looked it up, it came up as a
condidential page for STD testing. I am now starting to believe that he has probably cheated and feel he will gaslight me again if I confront him about it.

I lived in the U.K. for 20 years and yes: we decided to move as a family for various reasons. I don’t want to go back as I was seriously depressed there and I believe my children will be happier here. He is a high earner but that does not mean he gets to call the shots.

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Safxxx · 08/09/2025 01:38

Living separately is adding to the stress on your marriage, seems like his cheating on you too 😔 either he moves in with you or you move back with him to work things through, otherwise it's over as I don't see how this will work when his absent from your life for 2 wks at a time.

DeeKitch · 08/09/2025 06:58

Bless you OP it seems a dream move has made the marriage worse - also he’s up to something re the websites

is there any way you could get a weekend together to reconnect or do you feel he’s put up barriers? X

Everyoneishangry · 08/09/2025 06:59

I’m not entirely clear what you want

Chocochick · 08/09/2025 15:25

@DeeKitch We were already struggling and for me, being in the U.K. was a big part of my issues. I feel that we are in a great place and we could have a much better life if he decided to go through with his promise to find a new job that would allow him to work mainly remotely which is impossible on his current job. I’ve always felt that he doesn’t really tell me a lot of things or shares his thoughts with me until it’s too late and this is one example. He says it’s because of my comments and opinions that he doesn’t feel he can share anything with me but, from my perspective, he is very insecure and takes any comment as an attack.

He is unable to have a debate or an interesting conversation as he says he feels intimidated by me and my eloquence. We have tried to go out as a couple but the fact that I don’t drink much means he loses interest and wants to go to bed early (which doesn’t happen when he is drinking with others). He now says that since he has discovered he has been co-dependent for most of his life, he doesn’t know what he wants and anything can happen. I know we haven’t been happy in a long time but he is being very selfish now as it seems he is the one who has to “decide” whether he wants to try or not and that is making me more upset. Feels very one-sided.

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DeeKitch · 09/09/2025 09:03

I’m sorry it’s so rubbish 🩷 xx

EverybodyLTB · 09/09/2025 09:12

See someone or do some serious in depth research about what the financial split might work like in the country you’re in and off your immigration and nationality status etc. I feel this might make the thinking easier as you’ve got two lines of thought going on; saving the marriage because you want to, and worrying about money. If you get a handle on the money side you might be able to then process what you want to do about the marriage itself. Sounds like he’s already checked out, and you’ve had enough, but get your legal and financial awareness in order before taking big steps.

Tardigrade001 · 09/09/2025 13:01

He wants out but doesn't want it to be his fault.
It is not unlikely that he's cheating too.
I would prepare for separation, temporary or permanent. Moving back to the UK with the kids would be a very bad idea at this point.

ThatsCute · 09/09/2025 13:10

Married men who are faithful to their wives don’t seek out STD tests.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 09/09/2025 13:19

Chocochick · 08/09/2025 15:25

@DeeKitch We were already struggling and for me, being in the U.K. was a big part of my issues. I feel that we are in a great place and we could have a much better life if he decided to go through with his promise to find a new job that would allow him to work mainly remotely which is impossible on his current job. I’ve always felt that he doesn’t really tell me a lot of things or shares his thoughts with me until it’s too late and this is one example. He says it’s because of my comments and opinions that he doesn’t feel he can share anything with me but, from my perspective, he is very insecure and takes any comment as an attack.

He is unable to have a debate or an interesting conversation as he says he feels intimidated by me and my eloquence. We have tried to go out as a couple but the fact that I don’t drink much means he loses interest and wants to go to bed early (which doesn’t happen when he is drinking with others). He now says that since he has discovered he has been co-dependent for most of his life, he doesn’t know what he wants and anything can happen. I know we haven’t been happy in a long time but he is being very selfish now as it seems he is the one who has to “decide” whether he wants to try or not and that is making me more upset. Feels very one-sided.

My Dh is ADHD. He can be a bit ‘intense’

Maybe this is what he’s referring to when he says he feels intimidated.

Chocochick · 09/09/2025 23:22

I don’t think he has cheated but may have just snooped on that site. He swears he never would as that’s what his Dad did which in turn resulted in his Mum’s suicide attempt. He is struggling to deal with the realisation that his relationships have been based on his need for validation and the fact that his self-esteem is so low. I’ve always noticed he was a people-pleaser with the insecurity and immaturity that comes with it but he’s never faced it until now.

I do need to research my options as I feel I’m on very shaky ground. Thank you for your kind advice ❤️

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