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Family estrangement

22 replies

TGWTDT · 09/08/2025 18:12

I’ve been estranged from my brother for 7 years. He did something awful to me that I couldn’t forgive and we haven’t spoken since.

My DS is 5 and he’s never met him. His child is due to start at my DS’ School in September (DS is going into YR1 and his child who I have also never met, is going into Reception) I know this because his wife has joined the parents group text and I got an alert as she is blocked, that she was now in the group.

I bumped into them today at an event in the town we live and we ignored each other completely. It was so awkward and uncomfortable and now I will see them every day.

There is no resolving the situation. I will never forgive him for what he did to me.

I don’t want to move DS out of a School he loves and is settled in but the thought of seeing him every day fills me with dread. Logically it is just drop off and pick up but they’re in the same key stage so it will be trips and sports days and discos etc and honestly it’s giving me such bad anxiety.

I had to cut off my parents a few months ago and also worry about them showing up for brothers child but ignoring me/DS.

Our situation is that my mother is a narcissist. Brother was golden child and dad enabled it all. My mother treated me very badly and I tried for years to make it work but it’s like death by a thousand cuts. I hate that I’m in this situation but had to protect myself and my son from them all, as it’s so toxic and unhealthy that I cannot have them in my life or DS’. At the same time I feel like a train wreck as I have no relationship with my family at all and I often wonder whether this is my fault and that I may be the problem.

I just feel so anxious after seeing him today that I will have to deal with this now for the next 6 years!

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nutbrownhare15 · 09/08/2025 18:15

I'd be quietly researching schools be would be just as happy in and seeing if the opportunity comes up to move him.

ShoeeMcfee · 09/08/2025 18:16

The way I see it, you have 2 choices: move school or brace yourself and get used to it. It will probably get easier as time goes on if you run into him or his wife. He is at least being helpful, ignoring you right back. I have a broadly similar set up in my family so you have my sympathy. My inclination would be to say fuck it, he's not going to have control over where I send my child to school.

Seaoftroubles · 09/08/2025 22:16

Stay strong OP. Don't move your child if they are happy at the school. Just hold your head high and continue to treat your brother and his wife as people you don't know. As long as they ignore you there shouldn't be any scenes. If your parents turn up at school so be it, you don't want them to have contact with your child so again just ignore or avoid. Would your child recognise them though as that might be difficult to explain.
It's not your fault and you took protective steps to ensure your family were kept out of your life but if things get difficult that's when l'd be looking into new schools.

Sunshineandgrapefruit · 09/08/2025 23:43

I would move. Preferably to a completely different area of the country.

Heimbach · 10/08/2025 00:07

Just to say OP I'm not in contact with my family - same thing as you because I've a narcissist for a mother. Her own mother advised me to distance myself when I got older. I tried for years to make things work but in the end when I put in boundaries she stormed off.

I'm lucky that the family now lives abroad. I find real peace knowing I'll never bump into them.

Things might calm down in your situation school wise and in any case as your ds gets older he might not need picking up and you'll rarely need to be at the school gates. If moving schools or area doesn't work then just grey rock them.

britneyisfreebutnotokay · 10/08/2025 08:28

In this situation I’d move. I wouldn’t want to the see them again at all. Flowers

AnneLovesGilbert · 10/08/2025 08:32

I’d move. I know how lovely it is to see your child loving school but he’s so little he’ll settle somewhere else and it sounds like the stress of your brothers family and your horrible parents could overshadow years of school life.

WhenInRomeDoAsTheRomansDo · 10/08/2025 08:38

Definitely move.

If you're happy and peaceful your child is much more likely to be. If you become stressed and anxious it might start rubbing off on your child and make him unhappy. Plus he might be put in an awkward situation where the other child knows who he is and starts asking questions or the grand parents try to approach him. He would literally be put right in the middle of the situation.

He's young enough that he will settle elsewhere and find a new group of friends. Better to do it sooner rather than later.

Heimbach · 10/08/2025 08:49

Also OP if you are wondering if you are the problem, then it's likely you're not the problem!

Narcissists are like a vortex that destroy everything around them. The only way to thrive is to get away.

Spendysis · 10/08/2025 14:50

I understand op I am nc with my sister after she has done something unforgivable we live close to each other and I dread bumping into her i occasionally see her in the supermarket she hasn’t seen me and I can’t get out of there quick enough which sounds ridiculous as we would just ignore each other. It seems a shame to move your child if they are settled in school but they will pick up on your anxiety

mindutopia · 10/08/2025 15:00

That sounds absolutely shit. I have no relationship with my (half) brother (haven’t heard from him in 20+ years and he lives on the other side of the world) and I am NC with my mum. Honestly, yes, if my mum was going to be turning up at my dc’s school for things, I’d be looking to move schools. It would be different if it was Y5 or 6, but you’ve got a long way to go still and I couldn’t deal with the aggro.

TGWTDT · 10/08/2025 20:36

Thank you all for being so kind and understanding 🥰 I was worried posting this as it’s such an awkward and difficult thing to talk about. I find that some people don’t get it because “that’s your brother/Mum/Dad” etc and unless they’ve been through it, or seen someone they know and care about go through it, it’s just so hard to “get” because your Mum is supposed to be your safe space and the one who loves you unconditionally but that’s not who my Mother is to me.

I have a thousand stories of all the horrible things my Mum has said and done to me over the years and I know, hand on heart I’ve tried to make it work and have her in my life but it doesn’t work and it causes more harm than good and I have to protect DS - sadly my Mum is the eternal victim in every situation (especially those she creates) and growing up with her has made me think I’m wrong even though deep down I know I’m not. There was a lot of “I never said that” or “you took that the wrong way” and “you’re too sensitive” etc throughout my life with her. So disappointingly my Dad blindly protects her and takes her side. He once told me that they were a package deal and I couldn’t have a relationship with him, without her.

I don’t like being estranged. I thought I would feel relief or free but that hasn’t happened. It’s horrible knowing that they don’t care about me at all.

DS hasn’t seen my parents since Christmas. To be nice I invited them to our house on Xmas day for a few hours so they could see him and that was fine and then…..nothing, no attempt to see DS or even a “hey how is DS?” Text message - until a horrible text message in early April stating that I was evil for keeping him away from them!

I pointed out that they had made no effort to see him in 3 months so how exactly was I keeping him from them? And you can imagine the vitriol, spiteful comments I received back. I called her a narcissist, said she should get some help and blocked her and My Dad.

DS hasn’t mentioned them since Christmas. If he did I would tell him that they were unkind to Mummy and we weren’t going to see them until they say sorry (I think that’s the best thing to do? He’s only 5 so it’s so hard to explain and I don’t want to lie to him)

I don’t know if DS would recognise them if they saw him and I don’t think they’ll be showing up at his school regularly - maybe just sports days and star of the week assemblies etc. DS has never met my brother, he doesn’t even know that I have one so that’s not an issue and I can’t imagine my brother or his wife would tell their child about me or DS.

I didn’t mean to drip feed but was a bit all over the place yesterday that I didn’t mention in my OP that my DS is on the Pathway and whilst he’s doing great in School, he does have an EHCP and can be emotional with change so I am really loathe to move schools.

I also feel a bit like “Why should I?” my brother would have known through our Mum that my DS is at that School, so he and his wife obviously made a decision to send their child there regardless, so why should we uproot ourselves? I’d love to move to the other end of the country to just not be near any of them but our jobs are here, DH’s family is here and it is my home too.

I just hate how awkward it was yesterday and it feels so uncomfortable to pointedly ignore someone when essentially we were sat on the next table.

Another big worry I have is DS is going into YR1 which is a mix of YR1 & YR2. What if they mix YR1 & YR2 next year and the kids are in the same class! I was going to ask the Head for a meeting when they go back in Sept and explain (give a brief overview stating we’re estranged and it’s difficult and not go into full details) and make the School aware so that if there is a mixing of years next year, they know to put DS and brothers child in different classes? Or is that a terrible idea?

Also - for those who are estranged from their family, how do you cope with the disappointment and pain of being estranged? I know it’s the right thing but it does bother me and I do feel angry/sad/disappointed that this is the situation.

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ShoeeMcfee · 10/08/2025 20:55

I personally think that it's a good idea to have an interview with the Head and explain the situation.

As to coping with the disappointment and pain of being estranged - well, you just get used to it. For me and my family it has now been 20 years and if I'm honest it still stings a little. Part of me will always be astounded that they have behaved that way but there is no remedy for it.

I have learned to be philosophical, but I do envy others who have good or even normal sibling/family relationships.I think it's important to build a life with good friends and good times.

OliviaBonas · 10/08/2025 21:39

ShoeeMcfee · 10/08/2025 20:55

I personally think that it's a good idea to have an interview with the Head and explain the situation.

As to coping with the disappointment and pain of being estranged - well, you just get used to it. For me and my family it has now been 20 years and if I'm honest it still stings a little. Part of me will always be astounded that they have behaved that way but there is no remedy for it.

I have learned to be philosophical, but I do envy others who have good or even normal sibling/family relationships.I think it's important to build a life with good friends and good times.

100% this!

healthybychristmas · 10/08/2025 22:54

What a horrible position you've been put in. I know you want to keep your son at the same school but would it be possible to move house by the time he goes into the next school year in 2026?

TGWTDT · 10/08/2025 23:37

Thank you again 🥰

I will ask the Head for a meeting when DS goes back to School, just to put my mind at rest of the kids being in the same class in 2026.

i think overall I’ll just have to pretend and ignore and hope any sightings of them are limited.

We wouldn’t need to move house to change his School as we don’t have catchments in the town we live in, so we could move Schools with ease, in truth.

DH is wholly opposed to moving schools and I also don’t think we should have to because we didn’t create this situation and brother knew that my Son was at this School when he applied! Unless something happens I don’t think moving Schools is on the table for us. I think it would be to DS’ detriment and whilst DH understands and supports me in my family situation - he has already said he isn’t going to consider DS changing Schools - especially with our Son’s additional needs - unless something happens.

Hopefully it won’t be as bad as my brain is telling me it will be. I keep thinking that brother and his wife will fit in better than I have and I’ll be the one on the outside looking in and feeling uncomfortable every time I drop off, pick up, or attend an event. They’re likely to be in the clicky parent group and I have struggled to make parent friends this year (I have two mum friends at School but with the School’s moving of classes, both their children will be in a different class to DS in Sept - so essentially I’m starting again from scratch)

Can you tell I’m the scape goat? 🤣 it’s the story of my life that brother always comes out on top and I’m the outcast.

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Heimbach · 11/08/2025 08:34

The scapegoat usually escapes but the golden child remains in the abusive relationship. Just see him as still being in prison whereas you've had the wit to flee.

Just brazen it out - junior school years fly by.

Heimbach · 11/08/2025 08:40

I don’t like being estranged. I thought I would feel relief or free but that hasn’t happened. It’s horrible knowing that they don’t care about me at all

This is me as well and I also get where you're coming from when you say that people tell you ' it's your Mum and Dad put up with it' etc.

I hate being estranged though technically they walked out of the house on me. I'm really family oriented so it just feels alien to me. But that said everyone has something in life that they're not happy about. I married a lovely husband who is super supportive and we are happy. My parents are to be pitied really.

You are having a normal reaction to an abnormal situation and abnormal behaviour. Don't beat yourself up about it.

AutumnLover1989 · 11/08/2025 08:48

I can totally sympathise. I've been NC with my brother for 6 years. He lives at the other side of the country so no chance of bumping into him. Now my parent has moved 10 minutes away from him. It's hard. If I were you,I'd move although you shouldn't have to as your child was there first.

crazeekat · 11/08/2025 09:02

Your child young. I know it’s really really unfair but. I would be out of there. The potential blow ups in this situation be sending me nuts. It’s bad enough when it’s just a friend fall out (old bit now friend now at same school as mine but 4 years apart don’t have to deal with it, just the obv ignoring in playground occasionally) but honestly this will make u unwell and eventually someone will tell kids stuff. I would honestly move, as crap as it is, it sends a clear message too about how unwelcome they are and how far you will go to remove them from your life for your own families sake

TGWTDT · 11/10/2025 01:25

Just an update - they are not at my DS’ School! 🥳🎉

I haven’t seen them at all and just assumed that they were doing breakfast and after school clubs etc but found out today that they chose another School instead.

Feel very relieved that I don’t have to worry about that anymore! Thanks again to everyone for their advise and support.

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Dishwater · 11/10/2025 01:28

Totally normal for children to start a new school or school at all in Y1, I would move schools You shouldn’t have to but I would.

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