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Ranting about the family meeting because I can’t afford therapy

20 replies

PelaPola · 26/07/2025 22:15

Hi all, I’m new, just desperately needing a place to vent right now and my best friends are all on holiday and I don’t want to spoil their trips with a 30-minute VoiceNote.

Also, I tried posting this on Reddit but it got taken down for being “about the current US political situation” (where? Screw off, Reddit).

Urgh. Ok. So, I have never been close with my mother. She is, I would say, basically not very nice. She’s superficially charming, outgoing, confident, friendly, can be funny, and if you met her, you’d think she was great. She has lots of friends and is widely liked. But behind closed doors, she can be completely different. Mean, cold, hyper critical, back-stabbing, dismissive of other people’s feelings, nasty.

When we were little (“we” includes my sister) she was extremely strict and authoritarian, disciplining us (me in particular) disproportionally in a way that felt at the time like bullying. She was always criticising me, always ready to tell me off over nothing, forever making comments about my weight or work ethic or my various other flaws and failings to my sister, who would then come and tell me. I’ve never heard her say a nice word about me.

She wasn’t like this all the time and she could be nice and friendly too, but it wasn’t the majority of the time and it’s not what stands out in my memory of her from my childhood, where I often felt incredibly lonely and unlikeable.

In adulthood, she oscillates jarringly between being nice (for which she is often told by my dad that she is “pandering” to me) and being overly harsh (which she seems to do most in my lowest, worst, most vulnerable moments). There is no consistency, no predictability.

As a result, we don’t have a great relationship. We’re friendly on the surface but there’s no deeper connection, no trust, and I don’t feel that I have a normal mother-daughter relationship with her. I also, to be honest, don’t really want one. I feel like I gave up on her a long, long time ago.

The underlying tension between us was never a huge problem until my daughter was born three years ago. Since then, it has become even more obvious. Most of the grandparents around us, including my mother’s friends, are heavily involved with their grandchildren and provide childcare and other types of support, but my parents don’t. They’ve never been left alone with my daughter. My mum finds this upsetting and, I suspect, embarrassing. I imagine that she has created an image of herself as a wonderful mother with doting adult children and my not involving her in my daughter’s life is quite revealing.

My husband, my daughter and I live only about a ten-minute drive from my parents’ house, where they live with my sister (not a child, she’s in her late 20s, like me, but still living at home because of gestures broadly the situation). Yet we only see them every 6-8 weeks, usually when it’s someone’s birthday or a public holiday. Part of this is that we’re just genuinely really busy. You know how it is when you’ve got a toddler and a house to take care of and a husband who works all week; the weekends become about family time and errands and the extended family just get pushed to the side. But also, none of us really enjoy seeing them. My daughter isn’t keen on any of them and hasn’t got much of a relationship with them. She finds their house boring and visiting often feels like pulling teeth.

After a particularly awkward visit to my parents’ house a couple of weeks ago, my mother sent me a letter, in which she wrote exhaustively about how she feels she is being mistreated by me, that I am “punishing” her for “not being the perfect parent”, downplaying the few situations I’ve raised or memories I’ve shared of her being cruel to me or my sister (not outright denying that it happened but denying that it should have any impact on our relationship), saying that she had a worse childhood than I did but is very close to her parents anyway, that I’ve listened to too much “weird music about people with sad lives” (she means Linkin Park) and have fantasised that my own life was sad to make myself seem more interesting, and that I’m being unfair and unkind by not including her in my life more or being nicer to her.

Rather than reply to the letter, I asked if we could speak about it face-to-face. She agreed and it turned into a family meeting involving my parents, my sister and me in very much a ‘Me vs Them’ situation.

As you can imagine, it was a shit show.

I explained that the relationship that my mother and I have now has been defined by her treatment of me when I was growing up, which was often deliberately cruel. I said that I don’t think it’s unkind or unfair to have boundaries around your life, your home or your child, and I don’t think having boundaries is a punishment. I don’t think that adult children owe their parents access on the parents’ terms. I don’t think you get to wipe the slate clean when your child turns 18 or moves out or has a baby of their own, and boom, all is forgiven, never mind, you haven’t been very nice to me up until now but I guess we’ll start from scratch. I don’t think that being held accountable for your actions is a personal attack (and, I didn’t say this bit, but I think people who feel that way are emotionally immature and probably narcissistic).

My mother cried and protested and said over and over that she was a great mother and that I was a difficult child and a horrible teenager (blaming me). She said that it’s not fair that I let “a couple of minor incidents” overshadow all the great things she did right (minimising). She said that she wants me to come to her for help (I don’t need it) and include her more in my life (no thank you) and that it’s mean that I won’t do this (victimising herself). She even went on about how hurtful it was that my husband and I eloped, rather than throw a wedding that we could invite them to (hypocritical, my parents also eloped, plus this was five years ago).

My sister (who was treated much more fairly when we were kids, being the younger golden child, and who has a close and fairly co-dependent relationship with our mother) said that I’m “choosing to remember the bad stuff” because I’m a very negative person. She also cried any time our mother cried.

My dad stuck up for me a bit by telling my mum that she’s too sensitive, but mostly wasn’t listening and fell asleep halfway through. He did make some vague threats about suing me for custody of my child, until my sister (paralegal) shut it down.

I was there for three hours, missed out on a Saturday afternoon with my family, and got told that I’m a horrible person who makes everyone unhappy by not seeing them enough. Nothing was achieved and I now feel even less inclined to include any of them in my life.

I didn’t cry though. Was very proud of myself for not crying. Cried with relief when I got home to my warm, loving family and hugged my happy little daughter.

That’s all for now. Thanks for reading.

OP posts:
Mammamia384748 · 26/07/2025 22:21

Well done you for standing up for yourself.

Mammamia384748 · 26/07/2025 22:24

I have a very similar childhood and mother who wants to be my best friend. I keep my family at arms length too. We had a screaming argument a couple of years ago and achieved nothing.

I feel lucky like you to have my own family now.

Mammamia384748 · 26/07/2025 22:27

I’m rereading your post and I really feel like I could have written it. Stay strong, you are doing so well and don’t need them.

Pasta99 · 26/07/2025 22:31

What a nightmare of an afternoon! I did laugh at the Linkin Park bit, and your description of your Dad. You write really well.

Congratulations on making it through that shitshow, and under no circumstances feel obliged to smooth things over.

SequinsandSoleros · 26/07/2025 22:32

Can I ask a question?
If she were to show any genuine compassion or remorse or self-awareness rather than self-pity, would it change anything or has that ship long since sailed?

asmallcelebrationontheinternet · 26/07/2025 22:34

I have a similar family situation and my mother sent me an email in a similar vein.

I am now very low contact with my family.

Step away from the drama and enjoy your lovely daughter.

You have done nothing wrong.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 26/07/2025 22:37

You do not need these toxic people in your life. Your parents have not changed in all the years since your own childhood snf I was not surprised the fsmily Meeting did not go at all well , it was always going to be the case.

You have two qualities your mother and sister (carbon copy of mother) in particular lacks - empathy and insight. Your dad is your mother’s enabler and secondary abuser. He has also failed you abjectly.

I would also consider moving house and not leaving them a forwarding address.. live well and without them. With you out of the picture hopefully they will further turn against each other. Do read toxic parents by Susan Forward.

PelaPola · 26/07/2025 22:46

SequinsandSoleros · 26/07/2025 22:32

Can I ask a question?
If she were to show any genuine compassion or remorse or self-awareness rather than self-pity, would it change anything or has that ship long since sailed?

I don’t know. I think the compassion and remorse needed to be there at the time. Thirty years of very little compassion and absolutely no remorse isn’t really going to be healed in one afternoon.

Apparently that makes me a nasty little grudge-holder…

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Justhereforthebants · 26/07/2025 23:07

Your family are toxic, you’ve broken the cycle. Well done! Save up for some therapy, it’s not only an investment for you but for your future relationship with your husband and child. You sound so insightful about your situation and very happy with the family that you’ve created for yourself, so adding some decent therapy to that mix will give you the tools to help you keep your life and relationships happy and healthy. Stay strong, you’re smashing it!

Octavia64 · 26/07/2025 23:11

Yeah I’d be staying well away….

HappyNewTaxYear · 26/07/2025 23:12

OP, I’ve no advice but I just want to say that you are much to be admired. As a pp says, stay strong.

Squishymallows · 26/07/2025 23:24

id be tempted to move house. Seriously OP before your child is school age. Move further away, get some proper space between you and them

HeyWiggle · 26/07/2025 23:25

Going forward, I can highly recommend spending time with her when ever she’s well behaved and also giving space (for weeks or months) when she behaves badly. Dont bother debating. She will quickly learn she gets no attention when badly behaved and lots of attention when well behaved. I used this technique with my mil and it worked amazingly, I felt more in control having quietly set my boundaries. I also had/have a great friendship group so her absence was little loss.

PelaPola · 26/07/2025 23:58

Squishymallows · 26/07/2025 23:24

id be tempted to move house. Seriously OP before your child is school age. Move further away, get some proper space between you and them

We’re trying! 😂

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Hadalifeonce · 27/07/2025 00:15

If she wasn't your mother, would you actually be interested in having a relationship with this woman?

PelaPola · 27/07/2025 00:39

Hadalifeonce · 27/07/2025 00:15

If she wasn't your mother, would you actually be interested in having a relationship with this woman?

You mean if she was an old friend or a colleague or something? No. I think I’d see right through her and realise that she was kind of fake, and narcissistic, and paranoid, and constantly slagging people off and gossiping about them but then being nice to their face, and work shy, and judgemental, and hyper critical but totally unable to accept criticism about herself.

I would probably have slowly gone no contact by now, but I do want a relationship with my sister, and can’t have one without the other because of their enmeshment.

OP posts:
Coffeislife · 27/07/2025 00:45

If you're up for it go no contact, very peaceful

Fluffypotatoe123987 · 27/07/2025 07:51

Download chat gpt my god its am amazing therapist.

binkie163 · 27/07/2025 10:13

You have a very good handle on the way your family works. However I doubt any meaningful relationship with your sister is possible, she is the golden child and lives with them, they come as a package deal. She will also do your mother's bidding as a flying monkey.
You are very wise to keep this toxic behaviour away from your child.

Thehop · 27/07/2025 10:26

Cut them out and enjoy your family

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