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Is it too much to ask for?

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TootSweeties · 19/07/2025 01:07

I’ve been in a relationship for 16 years and I think I want to separate.

It’s a long time to build a life with someone, I know, but after years of holding everything together, I think I’m done. I don’t want perfection, just partnership, but it feels like too much to ask for.

We have two kids, 8 and 6 months, the youngest born after fertility struggles. That brought a lot of strain as we lost a baby in second trimester and I struggled to make peace with that and multiple early losses. But, if I’m honest, the issues were there long before the kids. Looking back, I see how many allowances I’ve made over the years for a lack of thought and care.

It’s been especially hard since having our youngest. My 40th birthday passed with him casually chucking a card and chocolate bar on the bed. Nothing from kids. This year on Mother’s Day, I thought he’d made an effort…a payment had gone out to a flower company…but the day came and went with receiving a bag of stuff my mum didn’t want. Yep. He later blamed our 10-year-old daughter saying she could’ve sorted something more thoughtful but we couldn’t afford it anyway. Meanwhile, his mum got a huge bouquet.

I don’t need grand gestures. A handmade card and tea and toast in bed would mean the world. It’s not about “stuff”. I have my kids and they’re everything. But I feel like he’s showing them how little he thinks of me. Whereas I like to make an effort, even a small one. I once asked “do you actually like me?” and he seemed confused/surprised but there have been so many times where I’ve felt like I don’t matter. There’s just no reciprocity there. I mean we’ve had moments of connection recently but they are fleeting...kind of like when I look at him with the kids because he’s great with them. He’s a good dad. But I think we’ve had more bad than good times as a couple and it feels impossible to recover from.

Intimacy is a huge issue too. He often says things like, “if you were more physical, I’d be more emotional” and this conditional crap has chipped away at us for years. Somehow, it always circles back to being my fault…my inadequacy, my responsibility. And don’t get me started on the lewd comments. I mean I think I’d be cool with it or even laugh if there was a shred of connection. But when he tells me to keep my boobs out after breastfeeding, especially on the back of asking me why I’m always so tired, it makes my skin crawl.

He seems bewildered by my unhappiness because, as he puts it, he doesn’t drink, do drugs, or hit me — like I should be grateful for the absence of harm. I mentioned this to a friend recently, and she said he was setting the bar pretty low…also reminded me how painful that kind of comment is, knowing my dad was a drinker who put my mum through hell before taking his own life. It’s like I’ve convinced myself I should stay because “at least he’s not like my dad”.

We’re under pressure — financially and practically — and it’s becoming unsustainable. While I was going through fertility treatment, and then maternity leave, he was meant to be running our business. But now I’m pulling all-nighters, juggling ideas to get us through, while he’s still working on his CV. He does work hard — but often with little return because things drag on or he does favours. Like he ran an invoice by me last week and suggested billing the client less per hour because it was so many hours. Yeah…many hours you spent on work for that client so they need to cover that.

This was supposed to be a time where I could rest (as much you can with kids). After everything — the stress of infertility, a terrifying pregnancy, and birth complications — I hoped the load might lighten. Instead, I’m carrying more than ever, and I feel no attraction to him anymore because it’s just not a partnership.

Sometimes I wonder if I’m being ungrateful. If I’m expecting too much. But is connection, effort and respect too much? Are those luxuries…or just the basics? I feel like I have no idea.

When the fertility struggles started I guess I channelled all my worries into that. As though that was the issue. The thing I needed to fix. I’m glad we got through it but I think it was putting a sticking plaster over the cracks in our relationship.

A friend asked me what I’m tolerating that I’d never want for my daughter. And it’s kind of brought me here. I mean it would break my heart if she was in a relationship where every night she was searching for stories of women in similar situations who turned things around or managed to leave. I want her to feel special, and loved…and deserving of those things.

Has anyone here made the decision to leave after a long-term relationship? What helped you find courage? I’m so nervous of posting so please be kind! Thanks

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Dontcrymysweetpotato · 19/07/2025 01:18

That sounds so hard. I don't think you're expecting too much. I mean, my DH is not perfect, and we are very far from the MN standard of 50:50 housework and childcare, despite both working full time, but at least I feel he respects and likes me. (Sometimes I wish he would appreciate less and do more!). And in some ways it doesn't matter if he's behaving well enough, if the connection is lost, it's lost. Relationships are about shared emotion, not shared tasks. I don't know what the solution is but you're not some precious princess expecting too much.

Dontcrymysweetpotato · 19/07/2025 01:20

And I'm so sorry about your second trimester loss. That happened to us too (along with infertility) and it's so so shit.

FeistyFrankie · 19/07/2025 05:42

OP I felt so sad reading your post. You are absolutely not expecting too much from your DP. In fact, I think that you don't expect enough. I'm angry on your behalf about what happened on Mother's Day - those flowers should have been for you!! And then he tried to shift the blame onto your DD?? Come on now - what is the point of him? What does he bring to your life? How does he support you, elevate you, add joy and happiness to your day? Because that's what a good partnership should do. Perhaps not all of the time, sure - but enough of the time that you feel like being in the relationship is GOOD for you; it is helping you grow. This doesn't sound like that kind of relationship to me. This sounds like the kind of relationship that is draining and difficult - and it is that way because of your DP's lack of respect and effort.

I left my ex nearly 9 years ago, and I don't regret it. Sometimes we have to make hard choices in order to become our best, happier selves. I think that some time on your own, just you and your kids, could be just the thing you need.

TootSweeties · 19/07/2025 12:08

Dontcrymysweetpotato · 19/07/2025 01:18

That sounds so hard. I don't think you're expecting too much. I mean, my DH is not perfect, and we are very far from the MN standard of 50:50 housework and childcare, despite both working full time, but at least I feel he respects and likes me. (Sometimes I wish he would appreciate less and do more!). And in some ways it doesn't matter if he's behaving well enough, if the connection is lost, it's lost. Relationships are about shared emotion, not shared tasks. I don't know what the solution is but you're not some precious princess expecting too much.

I think this is the harsh reality. He’s great around the house, he’s a great dad…but can be quite competitive with both. Tots up the time he spends or tasks he does. I was admitted to hospital earlier this year with a mastitis infection that had got out of hand and within days it was back to telling me he’s tired too, he’s busy too. He’s always had issues in the empathy and sensitivity department but I’m beginning to find him quite mean spirited and cruel 😔

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TootSweeties · 19/07/2025 12:34

FeistyFrankie · 19/07/2025 05:42

OP I felt so sad reading your post. You are absolutely not expecting too much from your DP. In fact, I think that you don't expect enough. I'm angry on your behalf about what happened on Mother's Day - those flowers should have been for you!! And then he tried to shift the blame onto your DD?? Come on now - what is the point of him? What does he bring to your life? How does he support you, elevate you, add joy and happiness to your day? Because that's what a good partnership should do. Perhaps not all of the time, sure - but enough of the time that you feel like being in the relationship is GOOD for you; it is helping you grow. This doesn't sound like that kind of relationship to me. This sounds like the kind of relationship that is draining and difficult - and it is that way because of your DP's lack of respect and effort.

I left my ex nearly 9 years ago, and I don't regret it. Sometimes we have to make hard choices in order to become our best, happier selves. I think that some time on your own, just you and your kids, could be just the thing you need.

He certainly doesn’t elevate me…if anything he makes it quite difficult for me to do my job, feel like a good mum or be the best version of myself. It’s been a recurring theme and the lack of empathy makes it hard to get through a day without feeling less than as he’ll often berate me over something or, ironically, make it harder for me to actually do the things he’s complaining about. My mum is nearby and offered for us to move there…I think she sees I’m hurting and feels sad that I’m so low. It’s like the anger has passed and I’ve been a shell for a while…but I’m beginning to gather my strength this month. I think the school holidays have exacerbated things, which maybe isn’t a bad thing because there’s momentum building towards making the tough decision, but I’m scared. I think I’m going to ask for a separation tomorrow 😖

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Seaoftroubles · 19/07/2025 13:07

He sounds awful. His lack of care or appreciation towards you is deliberate and really nasty considering he blamed your 10 year old and rubbed your nose in it by sending his mother a huge bouquet of flowers. I would take your mum up on her offer and move there with the children whilst you regain your strength and start to get organised towards separating from him. And he is not a great Dad! A great Dad shows his kids that he loves and respects their mum.

emrichollis · 19/07/2025 13:12

He’s showing a clear lack of respect and care, especially by blaming your child and then spoiling his mum. Take your mum’s offer focus on healing and planning your next steps.

Sunnygin · 19/07/2025 13:24

TootSweeties · 19/07/2025 12:34

He certainly doesn’t elevate me…if anything he makes it quite difficult for me to do my job, feel like a good mum or be the best version of myself. It’s been a recurring theme and the lack of empathy makes it hard to get through a day without feeling less than as he’ll often berate me over something or, ironically, make it harder for me to actually do the things he’s complaining about. My mum is nearby and offered for us to move there…I think she sees I’m hurting and feels sad that I’m so low. It’s like the anger has passed and I’ve been a shell for a while…but I’m beginning to gather my strength this month. I think the school holidays have exacerbated things, which maybe isn’t a bad thing because there’s momentum building towards making the tough decision, but I’m scared. I think I’m going to ask for a separation tomorrow 😖

Sending you a hug...someone i love went through this last year....he unfortunately lost her....and she is rocking the world as a single mummy now.....be strong. ..be happy....your children need to see a shared partnership.....and Love appreciation x

Left · 19/07/2025 13:27

Don’t ask for a separation.

You don’t need permission.

You can tell your ex it is over.

CarrotyO · 19/07/2025 13:37

How will it work practically in terms of splitting your business? Will you also find that easier without him?

TomatoSandwiches · 19/07/2025 13:46

Any man that told me I should be grateful he doesn't hit me wouldnt be seen for dust.

You dont need his agreement you can leave tomorrow if you wish to.

Gettingbysomehow · 19/07/2025 14:03

For God's sake just get rid of him OP. Life is too short. I learnt this the hard way.

TootSweeties · 19/07/2025 15:11

@Seaoftroubles @emrichollis you know I think back on the years of chronic fatigue, which is what led to hospitalisation because my body was too tired to fight mastitis, and he’s been such a barrier to my recovery. Not just physically but even emotionally. I tried to leave him after our miscarriages because I was struggling mentally. He kept asking ‘when do you think you’ll stop being depressed?’ and generally making things harder when he should have been doing whatever he could to make them easier. And while he acknowledged this and promised to be more supportive the behaviour has crept back in, in all kinds of ways. I don’t regret staying because our boy wouldn’t exist. But I think he’ll use this against me…like I’ve got what I want now…but I agree it’s time to put my needs first.

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TootSweeties · 19/07/2025 15:13

@Sunnygin that’s really encouraging. My main worry is how I’ll cope but as one of my friends pointed out, I’ll probably surprise myself and things will fall into place.

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TootSweeties · 19/07/2025 15:14

Left · 19/07/2025 13:27

Don’t ask for a separation.

You don’t need permission.

You can tell your ex it is over.

You’re absolutely right. Look at the language I’m using. Asking if I can leave when I can just leave.

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TootSweeties · 19/07/2025 15:28

CarrotyO · 19/07/2025 13:37

How will it work practically in terms of splitting your business? Will you also find that easier without him?

I sidestepped the business years ago and started afresh with my own thing. Similar line of work but niched right down. So I’ll just leave the company completely and he can do what he wants with it. At the time he was shocked I decided to do it but I couldn’t work alongside him anymore. It was torture.

We still work on some projects together and I couldn’t have gone on maternity leave without still making some kind of living from it. So I’m grateful for having built a business that enabled that. A little sad to see it go completely but it feels fair to hand it over. I gave him that opportunity in the first place so don’t feel indebted. I think he’ll wind it down as he’s been speaking about getting a job for the past year. He’s not really business minded. Nothing wrong with that. But it blows my mind that he hasn’t sorted his CV out…just allowed us to keep struggling. He’ll need a CV now though so maybe this is the push he needs to sort himself out. Then I can freely focus on my own thing.

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TootSweeties · 19/07/2025 15:32

TomatoSandwiches · 19/07/2025 13:46

Any man that told me I should be grateful he doesn't hit me wouldnt be seen for dust.

You dont need his agreement you can leave tomorrow if you wish to.

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@TomatoSandwiches he didn’t specifically say that, but it’s been a recurring theme when we talk about how I feel. I’ll say I’m unhappy and he’ll say…but it’s not like I’m a bad guy…I don’t drink or do drugs. I don’t beat you up. But yeah…setting the standard pretty low, right?!

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