Meet the Other Phone. Protection built in.

Meet the Other Phone.
Protection built in.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Relationships

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

Did I avoid a walking red flag or read it all wrong

30 replies

Alessandrathegreat · 18/07/2025 09:35

Huge backstory to this made as short as possible. I was abused as a child, emotionally, physically and psychologically. I ended up with the most amazing foster parents that I’m lucky to still have in my life.
Due to the abuse and lack of therapy after I’ve never been good at relationships, teens were spent feeling needed to be loved but would be men just taking advantage. I met someone in my twenties who I thought was my saviour but over the years he proved to be bordering on being the same as my birth mother. I didn’t recognise it until it was far too late and experienced a lot of domestic abuse including being almost strangled to death. I was in this situation for 12 years and got out with my child 5 years ago. I did the freedom programme and have had a lot of therapy, which I’m still in just to manage ordinary life and still process many things.
During that time I’ve remained single and focused on myself and my child.

Mentally I’ve never been stronger.
My friend suggested to me to go dating again, I wasn’t sure about it but felt maybe give it a go as there are nice people out there. I wasn’t expecting much, got chatting to a few men online and there was one that seemed quite positive. Chatted with him, exchanged numbers, few texts and calls etc and we arranged to meet for a date.

The date was nice, he was easy to chat to, I felt there was a little bit of chemistry but wasn’t 100%. At the end of the date he asked for a kiss, I did feel quite awkward but still went in for one. I think this is what made my stop signs scream.
He text that night about meeting up again and I replied with a non commitment message.
I was starting to feel nervous about meeting up again and the thought of a man in my life so I decided that actually I still wasn’t ready for dating anyone, it shouldn’t be making me feel anxious. I let him know this very gently as I didn’t want to waste his time, said lovely time but not ready for dating, still need to focus on myself and my child. He seemed fine with this and said if I wanted a friend he was there. I didn’t reply.

Few weeks went by and he messaged saying he’d missed talking to me, I replied with that we could still chat on the basis of being friends. He asked if I’d been dating again, I again said as id explained I’m not ready to, not on any dating sites etc and have no interest in a relationship. He seemed to be ok with this. The week went on and he was back to messaging daily, I’d reply later as I work and have my child,
he asked about meeting again but this time for a coffee or a chat at the beach. I’d said yes again making it clear as friends. Arranged to meet on a weekday that I had off.
The evening before the meeting my child was feeling unwell, already had calpol at school and definitely coming down with something, I messaged saying child ill, can’t do tomorrow sorry. Child was off school and had an infection that needed antibiotics. He was messaging with Hope child feels better etc. The day after scheduled coffee, he was at a big event, sent lots of pics etc, asked what I was doing. I’d gone to foster parents as they have AC units and child was so hot with virus and the weather. There was also a fete on that FM had said about seeing. I left child with FD in the cool at their house. So I’d answered to the ex date now friend “at a fete with FM, child sleeping FD looking after him, staying for a bbq” as that’s what they were doing for tea. It was just me, FPs and child. Not a party and we were only there as it was cooler and like parents grandparents do they look out for us when needed. I know they aren’t my biological parents but our relationship is what it would be for that. I’d made this clear to ex date too, I call them by their first names but in my heart they are “mum and dad”.

Few days pass, messages still coming, I’m not answering at the rate of the messages. He asked what I’m doing, I said unproductive day supposed to be working from home but due to not feeling well myself it’s not really going ahead. He said how we could have met if I took a break, I said yes but not feeling well.
He then sent a message saying that if someone really wanted to meet up that they would make the time, wrote about himself in the third person and how he’s way down on my pecking order, then said if it was a bbq with friends I’d make time, and how my child was supposedly ill but i was at a bbq the next day.
I stupidly replied with proof of my child being ill because I felt he was accusing me of lying, so proof of email to the school and receipt of medication I’d picked up whilst waiting for antibiotics. I said yes I went to FPs not friends and had said child asleep in AC room.
He apologised and said he wasn’t sure if I wanted to meet again or had cold feet….but I’d consistently made it clear this was just as friends and the pecking order comment made me wonder if I’d lead him on to thinking it would or could be more.

sorry this is so long! I’ve not messaged since, Was I wrong? Or have I avoided getting myself entangled in another odd relationship?

OP posts:
yeesh · 18/07/2025 09:45

Block him, your instincts are right. He is trampling all over your boundaries and not listening to you at all. Sending him evidence that your child was ill was crazy, you don’t owe a random man any explanations. It doesn’t sound like you’re quite ready to be dating at the moment but I think you have dodged a bullet with this guy.

Beachtastic · 18/07/2025 09:45

He's pestering you OP. Why not just let him drop altogether? Stop answering his messages. You don't owe him anything.

ForZanyAquaViewer · 18/07/2025 09:50

I stupidly replied with proof of my child being ill because I felt he was accusing me of lying, so proof of email to the school and receipt of medication I’d picked up whilst waiting for antibiotics. I said yes I went to FPs not friends and had said child asleep in AC room.

This is baffling to me. So what if he was accusing you of lying? Why are you justifying yourself to a random you’ve met once?

OP, I think you need to work on your boundaries quite a lot. Block this idiot.

Pizzagirly · 18/07/2025 09:50

Absolutely block him.
Your gut is right.
He's not listening to you.
Never feel you have to provide proof to anyome like this.
You are not ready for dating.

Two books that might be good for you.

Why does he do that? By Lundy Bancroft
Women who love too much. By Robin Norwood

These would be worth your time.

sandwichlover93 · 18/07/2025 09:57

Run away. Honestly this doesn’t sound good. He’s not listening to you, he’s continuously pushing your boundaries and accusing you of being a liar. Block and continue with your life. Good luck!

CreationNat1on · 18/07/2025 09:57

Your instincts are right, and you also really need to work on yourself.

CanOfMangoTango · 18/07/2025 10:00

Agree with everyone else.

But well done for recognising something was a bit iffy

Lottapianos · 18/07/2025 10:00

'OP, I think you need to work on your boundaries quite a lot. Block this idiot'

Hard agree with all of this. OP, you need to ask yourself why you're working so hard to justify yourself to this guy. Ask yourself why you agreed to meet him again 'as friends'. He's not your friends, he's a total stranger. You need to be able to say no to people, and you're not there yet.

Well done for putting in the work in therapy, it's the most important work you'll ever do. Keep going

Alessandrathegreat · 18/07/2025 10:07

Thank you for the book recommendations, I will go for them.
my therapy had moved to 8 weeks so I’ve not had any sessions with her in this time, hence asking here.

I know I still have a lot of work with people pleasing especially, and partly why I’m still in an avoidant phase as it seems really hard for me to break out of this habit, it’s easier to avoid people generally.

OP posts:
ginasevern · 18/07/2025 10:12

By answering his messages and sending him personal information (emails to school etc) you are giving him the impression that you are in fact interested in him. Also, from a safeguarding point of view, you should not have sent a random man information about your child. Men rarely ever want to be "just friends" with women and their skins are as thick as fucking rhinos. He's obviously pushing for more, so stop messaging him.

Daleksatemyshed · 18/07/2025 10:33

You've told him you're not ready to date but he's still pushing, he's trying to guilt trip you into meeting so well done on seeing the red flag Op. Chuck this one back

Alessandrathegreat · 18/07/2025 10:59

Just as I’ve gone to block and delete the messages I saw one of the comments which added to why I felt I had to prove child was ill as was I. He said “I’m sure you’re fine and it’s just a touch of hypochondria”.

OP posts:
Daleksatemyshed · 18/07/2025 11:13

Alessandrathegreat · 18/07/2025 10:59

Just as I’ve gone to block and delete the messages I saw one of the comments which added to why I felt I had to prove child was ill as was I. He said “I’m sure you’re fine and it’s just a touch of hypochondria”.

Well he can take his snarky comments and fuck off, can't he?

Comedycook · 18/07/2025 11:16

He doesn't want to be your friend op....he wants to hang around you in the hope you change your mind and start dating him. Maybe I'm an old cynic but very few men imo want to be platonic friends with women. They usually hope for more.

PerkyGreenCat · 18/07/2025 11:24

Your instincts were spot on. You do need to work on your boundaries though.

You never need to justify or prove yourself to anyone EVER. If he thought you were lying, that's ok - you know you weren't lying, you don't need to convince a strange man who it sounds like was trying to worm his way back in after you'd made it clear you didn't want to date. He was disrespectful of your boundaries. When you said you didn't want to date, a decent man would have said "oh that's a shame, I wish you well. Let me know if you change your mind".

Never send a stranger (because that's what he is) copies of your emails to school or medical info like prescriptions - does he now know your child's full name and where they go to school? Be careful! Don't share personal information.

Alessandrathegreat · 18/07/2025 11:33

PerkyGreenCat · 18/07/2025 11:24

Your instincts were spot on. You do need to work on your boundaries though.

You never need to justify or prove yourself to anyone EVER. If he thought you were lying, that's ok - you know you weren't lying, you don't need to convince a strange man who it sounds like was trying to worm his way back in after you'd made it clear you didn't want to date. He was disrespectful of your boundaries. When you said you didn't want to date, a decent man would have said "oh that's a shame, I wish you well. Let me know if you change your mind".

Never send a stranger (because that's what he is) copies of your emails to school or medical info like prescriptions - does he now know your child's full name and where they go to school? Be careful! Don't share personal information.

I cut out any information about the school, child’s name etc. Thankfully they have left that school now with it being the end of term and year change. But yes I realise it was a huge failing on my part and I’ll be chatting with my therapist about it.

OP posts:
Lavender14 · 18/07/2025 11:37

Absolutely block.

You told him expressly that you weren't ready for dating. His behaviour after that says that he heard what you told him and ignored it as he felt he could manipulate you into it. You again told him expressly you would only keep in touch as friends, and he's acted as if he's entitled to your time, your attention etc and as if he has the right to call out how you live your life.

He doesn't get to do any of that and a good guy would never, they'd accept you weren't ready to date and wished you all the best and moved on quietly.

I think you need to trust your instincts more, when you said your felt awkward kissing him I was kind of meh (thinking that i always feel a little nervous with that), but everything you wrote after shows that your gut was spot on and you felt uncomfortable because of him.

I think in future you need to approach it with the idea that your time is a privilege and you choose who gets that time and in what way.

If someone questions you, it can be instinct to want to prove yourself because effectively he was accusing you of lying and noone wants to be seen as a liar. But you owe this guy nothing. If he thinks you're lying, then that speaks more to his suspicious mind and his approach to people than it does about you. If he questions you on it then it shows he feels entitled to demand proof of your honesty which is controlling.

I think you've absolutely dodged a bullet with this one and I'd delete any photos you've sent him if you can and block him without any further contact.

I agree with the pp who pointed out that you've provided him with some personal info about your child. Nothing you can do about it now, but good that you redacted parts and I think it's a lesson learnt so you won't do the same thing again in future.

Dating is a lot of life learning op so don't be too hard on yourself. It's sad these men are out there.

Rallentanda · 18/07/2025 11:46

Alessandrathegreat · 18/07/2025 11:33

I cut out any information about the school, child’s name etc. Thankfully they have left that school now with it being the end of term and year change. But yes I realise it was a huge failing on my part and I’ll be chatting with my therapist about it.

Please don’t think of it as a failure. This stuff is hard. Your instincts kicked in and you took action. That’s a great outcome. So there was a blip? Definitely something to bring up with your therapist but well done for getting this worrying presence out of your life.

pinkyredrose · 18/07/2025 12:06

Block! I can't see any positives to keeping him in your life, he only adds stress.

dramalessllama · 18/07/2025 12:20

Well done for trusting your gut, and for coming here for confirmation that your gut is telling you the truth. This is all part of the healing journey - learning to trust yourself again.

Now that you know that you can trust yourself, your boundaries will be even stronger and you'll be able to spot the red flags earlier and respond appropriately!

PerkyGreenCat · 18/07/2025 13:13

@Alessandrathegreat it wasn't a huge failing at all - yeah you shouldn't have wasted your time trying to prove you weren't lying but the main thing is that you were smart enough to protect yourself and your child by removing the identifying info.

Give yourself a bit of credit here. Yeah you definitely could have got rid of him sooner but you have asserted yourself and got him out of your life.

From reading your posts, it sounds like you've come a long way. Do something nice for yourself as a little treat. It seems like you're so much stronger now than you have been in the past, and as you keep going and learning to value yourself more, you're only going to grow in strength.

You will always attract the weirdos (it happens to us all) but now you're able to bat them away. Sometimes you have to sift through the shit to find a diamond - when dating you need to stay focused on the diamond and flat out refuse to engage with any of the shit, even the ones that try to cover themselves with glitter.

Anotherparkingthread · 18/07/2025 13:36

He is way too fucking intense for somebody you met once. Huge red flags. Likely insanely controlling. Stop offering explanations to him. You don't owe him one. He is nobody to you. Have you thought about doing some work on having strong boundaries and your assertiveness? I'm not saying that to be rude but I honestly think all women need those things in order to be able to protect themselves.

You should definitely block him. Don't let him into your life he will make you miserable. It's been a couple of weeks and he's accusing you of lying about where you are and making you justify yourself, checking in to see if you're still dating etc. He is hoping to wear you down. That isn't love or romance he just wants to push you about until you feel you can't date anybody else. He's awful

mindutopia · 18/07/2025 14:20

He sounds annoying. But you need to grow a backbone. If you didn’t want to kiss him, just say no. If you don’t want to date him or meet up, just say no. Block him if necessary. You have been way too polite and men with more nefarious plans will definitely take advantage of that if you let them.

Alessandrathegreat · 18/07/2025 14:47

I have come a long way, a few years ago I would have apologised and arranged to meet him in my nearest convenient day.
As I said I’m going back to my safety of avoiding any new relationships, both friendship and romantically as i know my weaknesses are still people pleasing and over explaining. I have deleted and blocked this guy, there’s no way I’d be going back now having my thoughts confirmed, and understanding that he was unlikely wanting to be friends and on the way to grooming me into a situationship. Lesson learned and it’ll be another few years and a lot more work before I’ll even consider meeting anyone else, I need to get a lot stronger yet.

OP posts:
NuffSaidSam · 18/07/2025 14:54

You're not ready for a relationship yet. Don't feel pressured into having one because other people (often other women) can't bear single women/the idea that women can be happy without a partner.

You've worked so hard to get yourself into a good place, just be in that good place for a bit! Enjoy the fruits of your labours. Enjoy your child and your foster parents and your peace. You don't need to bring any man into that.

Swipe left for the next trending thread