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How to ask my partner to stop vaping indoors?

17 replies

Anon9726 · 26/06/2025 23:26

I want my partner to stop vaping indoors, specifically near me and my children.

My dilemma is that I dont want to sound like a hypocrite as I am a smoker (my partner recently switched to vaping) although I do stand at the door/outside.

I have recently been diagnosed with adhd and autism and since then I feel like any time I've tried to voice my opinion or ask him to do something he gets angry and starts shouting over the top of me. He will not listen even when I show him the research that although it's not as bad as smoking it's not harmless, especially around children.

I find it very difficult to word things without it sounding like a personal attack and am also aware that I may sound like a hypocrite.

so how do I ask him to stop vaping near the kids without it blowing up into an argument?

OP posts:
KaleQueen · 26/06/2025 23:41

Can you say ‘remember when everyone used to smoke indoors. Then research discovered that passive smoking could harm you? Then they banned it in pubs buildings etc. We don’t know what vaping can do yet. So let’s treat them like cigs and we both go outside to have them’

Wornouttoday · 26/06/2025 23:42

“Stop vaping indoors, it’s horrible.”

TinyTempest · 26/06/2025 23:43

I have recently been diagnosed with adhd and autism and since then I feel like any time I've tried to voice my opinion or ask him to do something he gets angry and starts shouting over the top of me.

Only since your diagnosis?

What's that all about?

Anon9726 · 27/06/2025 00:11

TinyTempest · 26/06/2025 23:43

I have recently been diagnosed with adhd and autism and since then I feel like any time I've tried to voice my opinion or ask him to do something he gets angry and starts shouting over the top of me.

Only since your diagnosis?

What's that all about?

Im not sure he believes it if that makes sense? Like he knows I've been diagnosed but doesn't like the labels? I don't know. Im very paticular with cleaning and tidiness and he seems to get stressed out when I'm "on one" but he thinks that as long as he's washed up he can sit on his arse with his phone and vape in hand for hours.
He helps with the kids etc but I do everything else.
I do ramble alot when I get hyper focused on things aswell, maybe he finds me overwhelming at times?
My patience has definitely thinned recently, maybe I'm not coming across very well, I've never been good at talking and he's accused me of being rude countless times but we've been together 9 years so I would have thought he'd know me by now!

OP posts:
Stripeyanddotty · 27/06/2025 00:21

How does he ‘help with the kids’?
Are they his?
What sort of life is he modelling to them
if he is spending hours on his phone and vaping?

Lmnop22 · 27/06/2025 18:08

Just tell him “I smoke outside to protect our children from passive smoking, could you do the same when you vape please?”

Honestly though, when a man refuses to listen, argues with you when you try and communicate and refuses to do anything he doesn’t want to, he’s a dickbag and you should think twice about your relationship!

It’s no life to walk on eggshells around your partner 24/7

SkintSingleMumm · 27/06/2025 23:41

“Vape inside the house one more time and ill shove that thing where the sun doesn't shine”

Robertsmithsnan · 28/06/2025 06:41

Are you standing at the door blowing smoke outside or are you outside ie in the back/front garden, door closed?

BeardOToots · 28/06/2025 07:24

Robertsmithsnan · 28/06/2025 06:41

Are you standing at the door blowing smoke outside or are you outside ie in the back/front garden, door closed?

I wondered this. If it’s the former, then what you are doing is magnitudes worse.

ForZanyAquaViewer · 28/06/2025 07:27

It sounds like you’ve asked and he’s refused. It also sounds like he’s an arsehole.

You’re both being extremely irresponsible and exposing your kids to first and secondhand (in your case) smoke. Why?

SD1978 · 28/06/2025 07:30

If you’re into standing at the door, not fully outside, then you don’t have much of a leg to stand on. The second hand smoke from your clothing as well as the wafting in the house with the open door will probably be juts as bad. Maybe ask him to limit it to one room and blow out a window? And you need to be leaving the house completely and closing the door

Destiny123 · 28/06/2025 07:37

Definitely tell him to smoke outside

But my Dr hat must say its a total misconception to believe smoking outside will protect your kids from it, so it's somewhat hypocritical

See below-

Smoking Outside: Does It Eliminate Secondhand Smoke Risk?

My mother-in-law cares for my 2 small children, and she is a smoker. She says she “always smokes outside” and therefore the smoke shouldn’t harm my children. Are my children at risk from secondhand smoke, even if my mother-in-law always smokes outside?

The Parent Coach Advises

Secondhand smoke and thirdhand smoke are always a potential health risk when children are cared for by a smoker. In 1964, the US Surgeon General first reported on health effects of smoking tobacco.1

According to the Center for Disease Control and Prevention, today 42 million American adults and nearly 3 million middle and high school students smoke.2 Secondhand smoke remains a significant health threat to the children of this country. Half of all children in the United States between 3 and 18 years of age are exposed to cigarette smoke regularly, either at home or in places such as restaurants where smoking is still allowed.2

It is well established that exposure to secondhand smoke increases the rate of asthma attacks, respiratory tract infections, ear infections, and sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS).3-5

In the past 50 years in the United States, 100,000 babies have died from smoking-related prematurity, low birthweight, SIDS, or other conditions caused by exposure to chemicals in secondhand smoke during infancy or before birth.2,5

Although more research is needed, emerging data points to secondhand tobacco smoke exposure in utero or in early childhood as an independent risk factor for neurobehavioral disorders, including attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), learning disabilities, and conduct disorders.6-8

Additional research has shown that other chronic organ damage is linked to secondhand smoke, including decreased glomerular filtration rate9 and preclinical atherosclerosis.10-11

Danger of Secondhand Smoke

Secondhand smoke has been defined as sidestream smoke—the smoke released from the burning end of a cigarette—and exhaled mainstream smoke—the smoke exhaled by the smoker.4 When compared with mainstream smoke—smoke inhaled directly by a smoker—sidestream smoke, because of its lower temperature, contains smaller particles and higher concentrations of many dangerous chemicals.12

Tobacco smoke contains more than 7000 chemicals, including hundreds that are toxic and approximately 70 that can cause cancer.3 These toxins include ammonia, formaldehyde, benzene, N-nitrosamines, aniline, acrolein, carbon monoxide, and hydrogen cyanide.12

Understanding Thirdhand Smoke

Many of the dangerous toxins and particles contained in secondhand smoke are present long after the smoke subsides.13-15 Thirdhand smoke comprises residual tobacco smoke pollutants that remain on surfaces and in dust after tobacco has been smoked and that react with other substances in the environment to release other toxic pollutants.13 It is estimated that infants and young children are 100 times more sensitive than are adults to pollutants in house dust because of such factors as their increased respiratory rate relative to body size and their immature metabolic capacity.13,15

Nearly all particles released from smoking, including nicotine, are present on the clothes, hair, and skin of a caregiver after smoking, which could lead to potential exposure for children even when the smoking is done outside of the home.14 These pollutants can be inhaled, ingested, and absorbed through the skin.13,16 Research has shown that thirdhand smoke-mediated DNA strand breaks are highly persistent after 24-hour exposure, which may lead to increased mutations in cells upon exposure to thirdhand smoke and ultimately a higher cancer risk.16

Smoking Caregivers and Cotinine

There is an ongoing risk of thirdhand smoke exposure for children who live in the homes of people who smoke tobacco—this is in addition to the secondhand exposure the children already experience.13

Parents and caretakers who smoke are not always accurate in reporting a child’s exposure to smoke.14,17-18 In one study, tobacco exposure at home declared by parents was 34.6%; however, this rate was detected to be 76% by the urinary cotinine levels of the children in the home.17 Studies done to assess a child’s exposure to tobacco smoke often use cotinine levels as a way to determine true exposure to tobacco smoke. Cotinine, the primary metabolite of nicotine, is produced in the liver and can be tested in the urine, blood, or saliva, making it the test of choice for tobacco smoke exposure.14,17,19 Urine cotinine concentrations average 4-fold to 6-fold higher than those in blood or saliva, making urine a more sensitive matrix to detect low-concentration exposure.19

Smoking Outside and Smoke Exposure

Smoking outside of the home has long been thought to help reduce and even eliminate a child’s exposure to tobacco smoke. But parents and caregivers often underreport exposure when they smoke outside the home.17

Seventy-six percent of mothers who said they smoked only outside reported that their children were not exposed to tobacco smoke.14 Actual tobacco smoke exposure, based upon cotinine levels, was 5 to 7 times higher in households of smokers who smoked outdoors than in households of nonsmokers.14 Detectable nicotine levels were found on nearly half of all surfaces as well as half of bedroom dust samples found in the homes of parents who reported only smoking outside.15

With regard to skin contamination, mothers who stated they smoked only outside were all found to have nicotine on their index fingers when tested.14 The loading dose of the nicotine found on the skin of those mothers who only smoked outside was as high as the nicotine loading on living-room surfaces of households where caregivers smoked inside the home.14

The concentrations of thirdhand smoke chemicals on fabrics such as cotton and polyester were found to be present for more than 1.5 years after the last exposure to smoke in one study.20

One group of researchers recently demonstrated that nicotine and its derivatives, including 4-(methylnitrosamino)-1-(3-pyridyl)-1-butanone (nicotine-derived nitrosamine ketone, or NNK), a known carcinogen, were rapidly extracted from cotton fabric in an aqueous medium that is similar in composition to saliva and sweat. It can be inferred, then, that an infant who mouths cloth that has been exposed to cigarette smoke will be exposed to significant amounts of cigarette smoke toxicants.20

Take-Home Message

Secondhand and thirdhand smoke pose significant risks to a child’s health. Parents and care providers who smoke, even when they only smoke outside, often underreport and underestimate smoke exposure to children.13-19 While smoking outside may lower tobacco smoke contamination and exposure, it does not do so to the levels of exposure found in homes of nonsmoking cargivers.14

Parents who are educated by pediatricians about thirdhand smoke are more likely to believe that it is dangerous to their children.21,22 Thirdhand smoke harm belief is associated with having strictly enforced smoke-free home and car policies by caregivers.23 Evidence suggests that washing hands, changing or washing clothing, and other attempts to remove tobacco smoke particles can reduce exposure.20

Highsmithery · 28/06/2025 07:44

What kind of moron vapes inside a house, especially one with children?

Smoking is bad enough, but at least you’re making a small effort to reduce the children’s exposure. I bet your house stinks. You need to agree to stand fully outside and close the door and he needs to do the same.

Velvian · 28/06/2025 07:49

You need to stop smoking @Anon9726 . Smoking outside is worse for your kids than vaping inside. Have you tried raping to give up?

SkintSingleMumm · 28/06/2025 15:58

Bet he vapes in the car too with windows up and kids in

Coconutter24 · 28/06/2025 16:18

You don’t sound like a hypocrite, you are a hypocrite. You stand at the back door/outside smoking, when you’re at the back door do you think the smoke and smell of it doesn’t go inside?

thatsawhopperthatlemon · 28/06/2025 16:36

This is not a smoking / vaping issue at all. Not really. Other posters are obsessed with telling you that you're in the wrong because you smoke. They need to stfu and read the OP properly.

@Anon9726 The big issue here is that he shouts at you and gets angry, despite knowing that you have autism; and you are afraid to talk to him in case he goes off on one.

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