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Same old, same old but it feels different

27 replies

Feelindown · 23/05/2025 11:10

I have been with my dh for well over 30 years. We are both in our early 60s. A long running bone of contention has been his lack of input regarding domestic chores.

It's got worse. He does so little around the house I am ashamed to admit it. He also does next to nothing in the garden, and in fact the garden is full of his rubbish which he can't even be bothered to arrange disposal of. I have over the last few months genuinely had enough. I do enough now to get us through without the house being a complete tip. I do all the washing, the majority of the dishwashing, change the bedsheets, tidy the house, clean the bathroom. His regular chores seems to consist of cleaning the kitchen sink and occasionally the bathroom sink. He leaves his breakfast things out all day. Shoes in the hallway. I have counted this am 5 jackets of his in the kitchen just sitting on chairs.

It came to a head yesterday (it does about every 6 months) when he told me I had more time than him to go through the freezer and get rid of out of date food (I realise even as I type this how pathetic this all sounds) than him. I asked why, and he said because I work from home. I have a full time permanent job, and work from home 3 days a week. I already use my lunch breaks to tidy etc. He has a consultant type role, also works from home, it is probably currently 4 full days a week but can vary and some weeks / months he has no paid work at all. This never coincides with him doing any extra chores by the way. He will literally sit and watch me in the kitchen when I have returned from a day at the office put my bag down and start to clear his stuff up and just think that is ok.

So we had the usual shit argument but I realised that we never actually address the fact that he does sod all. I raise the issue, get accused of being short tempered, snappy etc and we end up arguing about that and nothing ever gets resolved. This time I asked him to keep on topic and that I was telling him how upset I felt that he did nothing around the house and I didn't understand why he thought it was fair and that is what I wanted to talk about. He refused to address this - just kept saying how I must be hungry (I am deliberately losing weight as I was very obese and I am changing that) and that's why I am "bad tempered". We are now not talking (again a familiar pattern). He said "as a joke" that the fat me was a much nicer person. When I was very fat and we had this argument he would say I had OCD because I wanted a pristine house, I didn't, I just wanted things to be clean and tidy. So he's moved his insults on.

I actually think I have had enough. I can not face spending my retirement (when I get to it) clearing up his shit. I can't. Why should I? I am also thinking that he is gaslighting me deliberately and I don't like that. The rest of our relationship is good, we have fun, he is kind in many other ways, we do things together, but this is huge. It's like we can only be in a good place relationship wise if I put up and shut up.

In real life I am a feisty woman, known for not taking any nonsense. But I do with him. We could split and I'd be ok financially, not in a fantastic place, but ok, I earn more than him, have a reasonable pension and we have joint savings. We own our house outright and it has a lot of equity. I expect I would end up giving him money. I have never thought this before, always just looked at the smaller picture. But something feels different as though I have reached the end of the line. I know that this is partly my fault, I have put up with it for too long, I guess I was programmed into thinking it wasn't a big deal, but it was and it is. I don't know what to do.

OP posts:
category12 · 23/05/2025 11:21

It sounds like you do know what to do, it's just inertia & fear of change holding you back really?

You are looking down the barrel of retirement with this man in a few years, and if it's not a prospect that makes you happy, then better to end things now while you're both relatively fit and well.

If he got ill or debilitated, would you want to devote yourself to caring for him? And if positions were reversed, do you see him caring for you well?

OriginalUsername2 · 23/05/2025 11:28

I think it sounds sensible. We only get one life!

When I left my ex he had a massive turnaround and saw me with new eyes. It was too late for me then, but he admitted he never ever thought I’d leave and presumed he could get away with things.

Maybe your DP will do similar and make some changes. Show him what you’re made of!

LazyEyes · 23/05/2025 11:30

You sound as if you know what you want to do, deep down. Best wishes.

Think of the blessed relief and security of no one making messes in your own solo domestic space and refusing to deal with them. Imagine hanging up a coat and it staying hung up until you take it down again. Imagine a front garden full of fruit and flowers.

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 23/05/2025 11:33

Perhaps before you go to the nuclear option, you could try going away for a while? If you can work from home you can work from anywhere - what about a lovely Air B&B by the coast somewhere and leave him to fester in his filth? Do you think it might bring home to him how MUCH there is to do to keep a home running and give him a little more appreciation of what you do?

Then, if he just welcomes you home with open arms and a sink full of dishes, you can tell him that's it and you want a divorce?

user1492757084 · 23/05/2025 11:39

Make him a deal. You will throw all out of date food from the freezer into a green rubbish bin next Saturday while he clears a ten foot x ten foot square in the back yard. Can you both agree to work solidly all of every Saturday for four weeks to get rid of his clutter?
Bag it up.H
Hire a trailer.
Dump it at the tip.

Make more deals - that he keeps the yard tidy and you will cook, that he will wash clothes and peg onto line and you will shop, he will hoover and you will clean basins etc.
Train this old man to dos ome chores.

I think once the elephant is removed from the room, you stand a chance of having a very nice (and much fairer) retirement together.

Make the deals now so you have time to leave before retirement if he remains too selfish.

DoAWheelie · 23/05/2025 11:40

I think in your shoes you have two main options.

  1. Hire a housekeeper / cleaner and stop doing the chores yourself so things are even again.
  1. Leave him and start up on your own.

If you can afford to live without his income then covering the cost of outsourcing should be doable. It depends on if you think the good parts of the relationship are worth holding onto if the main source of conflict is gone.

Personally I think I'd lean towards option 2 as I wouldn't be able to cope with the disrespect and insults but only you know your relationship well enough to judge if the good outweighs the bad.

Keeping things as they are isn't viable though, you'll just resent him more and more until you can't tolerate being around him anymore. Either cut out the source of conflict entirely or cut out him.

menopausalfart · 23/05/2025 11:40

If he lived alone, do you think he'd be able to look after himself? I've seen so many men who are divorced, live in absolute filth.

Blanca87 · 23/05/2025 11:45

If it was an option could you not just live separately but still continue the relationship? It sounds like there still lots of parts of the relationship you enjoy.

Loopytiles · 23/05/2025 11:45

You’ve put up with this shit for 30 years so would take the time to investigate your personal options now. Get legal advice. Establish all the money / assets. Look at your options.

In the meantime, don’t cook for him, launder his clothes or do domestics benefiting only him.

Y2ker · 23/05/2025 11:46

He is never going to change after all this time. He does it because he's lazy and just can't be arsed. But I suspect it's the way he refuses to talk and come up with a solution that is most upsetting as he doesn't care about how his actions (or lack of) affect you. Make plans to leave.

Loopytiles · 23/05/2025 11:46

Also, if your personal health declines as you age, which is a risk, it will be even harder to deal with this shit, and to leave.

Y2ker · 23/05/2025 11:46

Blanca87 · 23/05/2025 11:45

If it was an option could you not just live separately but still continue the relationship? It sounds like there still lots of parts of the relationship you enjoy.

I suspect he'd be looking around for a new maid though.

foreverblowingbubbless · 23/05/2025 11:53

It's a difficult one. It's always more difficult to tighten up after allowing a situation for so long. Would you say he has got worse recently?

Blanca87 · 23/05/2025 11:53

I realise my post maybe sounded a bit enabling 😬and there is no way I could tolerate that but it sounds like there is still parts of the relationship op likes. I think more and more people are married and living separately. Might be an alternative option rather than divorce. However you would still need boundaries of steel to ensure Mr pisstaker didn’t stealthily get ‘looked after’ at your place all the time.

Isthisit22 · 23/05/2025 11:59

It’s the disrespect that kills the love in the end. The fact that he sees you as lesser than him- he’s too good for chores but you’re not. Time to leave before you become a carer to this man who doesn’t love you enough to not sit and watch you run yourself ragged while he relaxes.

Kathbrownlow · 23/05/2025 12:01

Get some advice from a solicitor and plan to leave. It is never easy but a better life awaits you. I agree with the others too, do it sooner rather than later incase one of you becomes incapacitated.

Firefly100 · 23/05/2025 12:30

I think you have some options here:

  • You could stop doing any work exclusively for him (e.g. washing, cleaning up anything he uses / leaves lying around, cooking, shopping for anything for him...) Honestly though I think the mess would break you before it breaks him but at least no food, lack of clean clothes etc would mean he feels a bit of pain personally
  • Personally, I would be tempted to move out for a period - 6 month AirBnB let? I would state I would only be prepared to move back in when he pulls his weight. It is a shame to let 30 years go down the drain without a fight and it might be the wakeup call he needs to understand you are serious, particularly as you are otherwise compatible. I'd frame it as you are unwilling to spend the rest of your life cleaning up after him or live in a pigsty. You reject both options so what does he want to do about that fact?
  • If he makes no effort in those 6 months / the house turns into a den of filth, then there is the option to propose to sell the house and live separately, close to each other - although to be honest I could not respect someone who would choose to live in filth. That would be it for me.

What I would not do is continue to complain about it with him insulting me as the response. Take action, preferably action that will make him feel the pain.

tripleginandtonic · 23/05/2025 12:48

The thin you needs to decide if you want things to carry on as they are or if you want a divorce. He won't change after 30 years.

S0j0urn4r · 23/05/2025 13:18

So you earn more and also do all the chores? Bloody hell! No wonder he doesn't want to change: he's got a really good thing going.
Get legal advice so you know exactly where you would stand financially before making any decisions.

JustGotToKeepOnKeepingOn · 23/05/2025 13:33

I think you know what you need to do. Any love and respect for this slob of a man must be long gone. It’s time to go! The next decade could include all kinds of ill health… do you really want to be stuck wiping his arse too?

waterrat · 23/05/2025 13:33

I can't even get over him leaving his breakfast things. Op please move on and get a fresh start at life. He is a selfish slob and it's a form of abuse gaslighting you by refusing to talk about it

Mapleunicorn · 23/05/2025 13:52

I think the issue here isn’t the mess as such. There are practical ways you could overcome that - hire a cleaner, divvy up chores etc - it’s the fact that you have raised this many times, made it clear how much it upsets you, and he just dismisses your feelings. Blames it on your mood and implies you are unreasonable. That’s not respect. That’s not love. Love is listening when your partner tells you something is upsetting them and trying to help. Why would you want to be with someone who doesn’t care or want to make your life happier?

Personally I don’t think that can be overcome.

category12 · 23/05/2025 14:24

menopausalfart · 23/05/2025 11:40

If he lived alone, do you think he'd be able to look after himself? I've seen so many men who are divorced, live in absolute filth.

What are you suggesting? That OP spends the rest of her life tidying up and skivvying for this man because he can't be arsed to clean and manage a household?

He works which means he is capable of simple (and even complicated!) tasks day to day, that he doesn't want to do household chores doesn't mean he needs "looking after". He's not mentally challenged or physically disabled, unless you count Penis as a disability. 😂

menopausalfart · 23/05/2025 15:00

@category12 Of course not. My point being that some men are lazy bastards that can quite easily live in their own filth. Nothing we do or say changes that. If I were OP, I'd leave him to it. I would favour my sanity.

sesquipedalian · 23/05/2025 15:12

“The rest of our relationship is good, we have fun, he is kind in many other ways, we do things together, but this is huge.”

If you can afford it, you could consider getting a gardener and a cleaner to cut down on what needs to be done. If this argument has been running for years, then your DH probably thinks “same old, same old” - you will have to let him know that you are serious, and that if something doesn’t change, you will be out of the door. It doesn’t necessarily mean that he will believe it if you tell him - my ex-DH actually told me when I itemised what I was upset about it that “I was his wife so I’d just have to put up with it” and was then all surprised and hurt when I actually left. But you need to make clear that if he doesn’t start to pull his weight, or arrange to have household chores done by someone else, that you are out. Remind him that it is the 21st century and the time of women being chattels who cooked and cleaned and cleared up after their husbands has long since passed.

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