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Cheating gaslighting husband

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Thunderonlyhappenswhenitsraining1 · 14/05/2025 02:30

I have been in a relationship for 14 years with this man , we have 2 DC 9 and 8. We met in the city I am from in the north and moved down to the rural village he is from 11 years ago. We married 18 months ago . I’ve lost both my parents in the timeframe of our relationship and despite the fact I have a full time career down here , I have no real deep friendships down here , although I have had lots of nice people checking in as they hear the news .my life has been our family - I loved our life and I thought it was a happy one , nothing to the contrary to suggest otherwise. We had an intimate relationship and nothing seemed out of the ordinary.

Around 6 weeks ago he suddenly became low in mood , I asked about it and he was just feeling low, it wasn’t about us - he was still in love with me . He won’t get help or talk to anyone. I try and give him space whilst checking in and he becomes more distant , rude to me at times and dismissive , stops responding to hugs , suddenly stops kissing me and stops sex. I call him out (not arguing but speaking) saying I understand he is going through something but he needs to respectful in how he communicates with me. I have to have this conversation several times, on occasion it seems to get better but slips again. Easter Sunday , the tone changes significantly and he says it might be me that’s the issue but I’m not doing anything wrong and then I get nothing but silent treatment and I notice his phone is constantly prised to his hand , that used to be left around freely and I’m not allowed near it. He starts going out , playing squash with a friend and often having drinks after and not coming how until the early hours , way after closing time as we are a small village- he says he’s been in his best friends garden drinking everytime. This best friend is notorious for not being a late drinker and always bailing early.

As my suspicions grow , I go through his office whilst he is out. I found adhd meds bought illegally and the date stamp on postage envelope coincided with the change of mood. I’m not shocked as much by the drugs , he has previously taken recreates but i am surprised by the secret - that has never been a thing. I discuss with his mum who I am close to , she is shocked and I think confronting him will make him retreat further.we keep an eye on him and ensure clear plan round DC. As she does lots of their care anyway whilst we both work.

He doesn’t seem to be getting better and I monitor the drugs he has , I video it in case I ever need the evidence . He seems to be taking them , become more withdrawn and sleeping more . More drugs appear - now not just ADHD meds but also Valium and Viagra. He goes out running and I find a part viagra pill in his jeans pocket as I’m doing a wash and also what looks like empty drug baggies. I decide enough is enough and confront him when he comes back from his run . He says he’s takes the adhd meds to hyper focus at work, and the others are all part of bio-hacking like Bryan Johnson , this is what everyone in Silicon Valley is doing etc. he denies cheating and when I ask would he allow me to look through his phone because he’s become secretive he says no and I should trust him. I acknowledge I should be able to but his recent behaviour makes him untrustworthy, secretive drug use that is not only potentially dangerous, defo illegal and being kept secret is not the markers of someone to trust . I also have niggly feelings about one woman whose social media posts he likes when he likes nothing of ours, doesn’t accept joint post tags anymore from our sons birthday party etc

He says he may leave , I say if that’s what his choice is he should do it and not drag it out, he can’t expect to keep treating me the way he is for the past few weeks and having me do all the practical sides of running a home and parenting with him whilst constantly being disrespected . I ask him to stop being rude to me and he tells me he doesn’t want to whilst also acknowledging I have been supportive , I haven’t done anything wrong and he just doesn’t know why he feels the way he feels and why he is being rude to me. The next morning , he says he is going and I think all my suppressed emotions of trying to talk , get him to open up and create a safe space , just get the better. I fling his stuff into suitcases and push them out of the room. He accuses I have thrown a suitcase at his head however I am not superwoman, I cannot throw a filled suitcase the length of a house from where I was stood in our bedroom to him in his office.

This was yesterday morning. Myself and the kids are devastated, I get some free family law advice whilst they are at school and I am advised that given what I know about the drugs to ensure supervised contact with DC , and if I didn’t it could impact my career. I ring him and tell him this - he says I am biter and stopping him seeing his kids, I explain he is staying at his mums, it will be normal for her to be present in her own home when they visit to see him anyway. He thinks I’m being bitter and keeps saying I am stopping him seeing his kids and why would I seek legal advice. I explain I wanted to protect myself and the kids, ensure all was above board, I was not instructing a solicitor and didn’t want to go down court route , but I am being open with him about this .

My friend / His other best friends wife come to see me later . She tells me that she suspects that he has been lying to me and messaging the woman I had a niggly feeling about (I hadn’t told her about this feeling). That he had been out alone and seen her and a friend and that friend had seen over his shoulder big long Facebook messages to said woman. He left the bar at 10.20 but he had arrived home at gone 1am , saying he had once again gone to other friends garden to me at the time. I ring him and he denies it all to me , but admits to some messaging but not cheating and no long messages . I message her and she ignores me. My friend knows this woman so drives me to her home . I bang on her door , she denies any messaging saying they just sometimes say hi socially. He rings me and tells me to leave her alone - she had rang him before answering the door. Not of it makes sense , my blood is boiling - I do shout and call her names -homewrecker etc as she says she know he is married , we have been together forever and my kids go to school with her kid.I do say I will tell everyone what she has done and that will ruin her business when people know what kind of woman she is. She refuses to show me any messages on her phone to evidence the innocence of the off message she says she has with him.

we go back home , OW keeps messaging me pleading her innocence , says she would never do that, she’s had bad MH and been cheated on , she wouldn’t do it with a married man out of the playground etc. I do say she keeps tripping herself up between her and him , I keep getting bits of info . They both send heavily deleted screenshots , I know edited as there is no phone call listed that she says she made via Facebook messenger when she rang him , before he rang me.

then to today I go to see him , he is seeing the kids later and I want us to have a joint approach to the questions they have. He tells me I am evil, aggressive , I was threatening to this woman , he could never be back with me because of my behaviour last night. I acknowledge that I was angry but I was not aggressive or threatening, I was stood back from the door, I made no threat of violence . Yes I called her names and my voice was raised. He shows me his Facebook messenger - heavily deleted , says he deleted messages previously as knew I would see more in them than there was. He denies cheating on me. I say regardless every messages with a woman is a line crossed and breach of trust . I want to communicate with him and tell him that I think we should go see a GP together for medical advice about what he has been taking and what the risks are , because a medial opinion could help contact with kids move forward from unsupervised , I acknowledge he has a good relationship with the children , I know he doesn’t pose a direct risk but there is a risk of what he is taking and purchasing illegally , and there has been medical oversight.he’s not happy with the suggestion but recognises it as a way to move forward . I am trying to show him , I’m not creating barriers but I am going to be protective to myself and the children but I am nit trying to to punish him for his behaviour with the children. He won’t work with me however on planning what we will talk about with the children later , he repeats the same mantra he’s just unhappy- however I explain both me and the kids need more than that when he has blown our world up. I leave and say I will contact him later to see what he has thought of before we meet . I ring him later - he’s still got nothing and ends up talking privately to then at the park which is not what we agreed , as I don’t want them getting mixed messages from us . He allows me to see his phone list and I see the calls between him and OW from the night previous, and I ask how she has his number. I then question why there is a picture next to her number of her in bikini , he says its the same as her social media pictures (yes she is clearly that desperate profile bikini pics). I ask to look at his photos as surely he has assigned that photo to his phone list. He gets uptight, snatches the phone , won’t let me look , says I should trust him- I am crazy , I am a pyscho , I have threatens this OW ( I don’t agree , I also actually apologised for coming to her house as whilst I don’t believe her , that’s not who I am normally in my behaviour) and that has now been turned that I threatened her . I asked why he is so concerned for this woman, he keeps calling me crazy an a psycho and says he will never be with me again . He leaves before son finishes football practice and doesn’t say bye to him.

im not sure if full cheating has happened but there is clearly some intent with this woman, there is the secret drug use and the entire personality transplant from the man I thought was a loving husband and devoted father. I am beyond devastated, I love our family and can’t see where this will go , I would want to be able to salvage it if he did work on himself before coming home but I am also acutely aware he doesn’t deserve that either.

the lack of any remorse , or apology. The manipulation to try and make the issue now he’s been caught , that his issues with my reactions not his behaviour (I acknowledge both can be the issue) are being spun to create a narrative which is so akin to the script of a cheater , and I think he’s having some sort of midlife crisis before he turns 40 this year. I can’t believe my life has turned into an episode of eastenders , and I have 2 devastated children , he does not acknowledge the impact on! I can’t sleep or eat , I am just devastated..

OP posts:
LivelyMintViper · 14/05/2025 03:03

Sorry this is happening to you. Please make sure your, and your children's interests are protected. He has checked out and you have repeatedly tried to communicate. Time to stop. It's getting you nowhere . Find your anger and walk away

Zanatdy · 14/05/2025 05:37

I’d say for sure he’s been with this woman when out until 1am. Sorry.

Lostinmyself · 14/05/2025 07:37

I’m sorry you are going through this! What a tosser ur husband is!!

He has shown you who he is, please believe him. He is using drugs illegally, at the very least having an emotional affair with another woman, he is calling you names for questioning him. Would you even want to be with him after all of this? You know what he is capable of!

As for the other woman, you live in a small village, you have been to her door and been vocal of your views on her. That kind of thing spreads like wildfire, I would leave her be now. She’s not ur concern.

Whats your next steps? How are you feeling today?

S0j0urn4r · 14/05/2025 11:31

You've done all you can. He's on drugs and is cheating on you. He's gaslighting you which is abusive. He's more concerned about the OW than his family. You deserve so much better.
See a solicitor and start divorce proceedings. He'll have to live with his choices.
Be circumspect with how much you share with his mum and family.

SparklyGlitterballs · 14/05/2025 11:54

I don't think there's any coming back from this OP. The drugs would be a hard line for me on their own, but the messaging the other woman would be the final straw. I too think he's been with her (out til early hours) but at the very least he's having an emotional affair.

You'll never trust him again after this. I'm sorry your husband has treated you like this.

ginasevern · 14/05/2025 12:13

Yep, he's been cheating. All the classic signs, especially being rude as fuck to you. He's trying to make you the bitch from hell to justify his own actions. Don't waste any more of your breath on this cheating drug addict - he's not worth it and it won't make you feel any better. Also, leave the other woman alone. It won't change anything and it will probably get you into trouble. Start divorce proceedings is my advice.

OchreRaven · 14/05/2025 12:21

He had viagra in his pocket. It’s more than an emotional affair. I would be telling those close to me that he left me for the OW. Word will spread and they can deal with the shame.

He has made his choice, his choice was to leave. Don’t sit around waiting until he has come to his senses. He’s not ‘unhappy’. He is addicted to this woman’s attention and is willing to blow up his family for it.

He has compartmentalised his behaviour and now the two worlds are colliding he is doubling down on his lies because he doesn’t want to be the bad guy in the situation. But he is the bad guy. He’s betrayed you and has broken his family.

Leave them to it. Trying to get them to admit it will only reinforce the narrative in his head that he is justified in his behaviour because you’re crazy and unhinged. He will regret it one day but you will be stronger and will have moved on by that point.

After everything that has happened you wouldn’t be able to take him back without losing your self respect. Take time to heal, hold your children close, build a network you can trust. In time you will be glad he showed you who he truly is so you can move on to your next chapter in life with people who deserve you.

Epidote · 14/05/2025 12:31

Don't try to fix that relationship. Is broken. Regardless of any cheating he has cross a line with the other stuff in my opinion.
Take care of yourself and your kids.

HotHoney · 14/05/2025 12:41

At least you know.

Thunderonlyhappenswhenitsraining1 · 14/05/2025 12:53

Epidote · 14/05/2025 12:31

Don't try to fix that relationship. Is broken. Regardless of any cheating he has cross a line with the other stuff in my opinion.
Take care of yourself and your kids.

He does say the viagra is all part of the bio hacking and there is evidence to that , but it’s defo suspect

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Thunderonlyhappenswhenitsraining1 · 14/05/2025 12:58

We’ve been to the GP this morning , and he went in alone first and then I joined . He became annoyed that I ensured the GP had all my info saying he had told them, I said I understood but given recent lies that I needed to ensure all information was out in the open, and GP agreed with me. GP is considering whether safeguarding referral is required given his illicit use , GP is satisfied I am being protective of the children and will ensure full supervision . We come out , it’s my fault for making him go to the GP, I explain no it’s a consequence of his actions . I am hoping after some reflection this will be the thing to make the penny drop and make him want to make changes , for all the things he is doing wrong at the moment , I know he loves the kids and is a good dad on terms of direct contact so this will be devastating for him .

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Thunderonlyhappenswhenitsraining1 · 14/05/2025 13:01

OchreRaven · 14/05/2025 12:21

He had viagra in his pocket. It’s more than an emotional affair. I would be telling those close to me that he left me for the OW. Word will spread and they can deal with the shame.

He has made his choice, his choice was to leave. Don’t sit around waiting until he has come to his senses. He’s not ‘unhappy’. He is addicted to this woman’s attention and is willing to blow up his family for it.

He has compartmentalised his behaviour and now the two worlds are colliding he is doubling down on his lies because he doesn’t want to be the bad guy in the situation. But he is the bad guy. He’s betrayed you and has broken his family.

Leave them to it. Trying to get them to admit it will only reinforce the narrative in his head that he is justified in his behaviour because you’re crazy and unhinged. He will regret it one day but you will be stronger and will have moved on by that point.

After everything that has happened you wouldn’t be able to take him back without losing your self respect. Take time to heal, hold your children close, build a network you can trust. In time you will be glad he showed you who he truly is so you can move on to your next chapter in life with people who deserve you.

Sorry replied to the wrong post about this , but as I say he does say this is part of the biohacking and there is evidence to support that. My gut feeling is that this hasn’t got physical yet , but I think there is very much intent there

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IsawwhatIsaw · 14/05/2025 13:05

Well sounds like he’s checked out. He’s cheating and lying to you and using drugs.
I’d looking for more legal advice.

Didntask · 14/05/2025 13:11

Thunderonlyhappenswhenitsraining1 · 14/05/2025 12:58

We’ve been to the GP this morning , and he went in alone first and then I joined . He became annoyed that I ensured the GP had all my info saying he had told them, I said I understood but given recent lies that I needed to ensure all information was out in the open, and GP agreed with me. GP is considering whether safeguarding referral is required given his illicit use , GP is satisfied I am being protective of the children and will ensure full supervision . We come out , it’s my fault for making him go to the GP, I explain no it’s a consequence of his actions . I am hoping after some reflection this will be the thing to make the penny drop and make him want to make changes , for all the things he is doing wrong at the moment , I know he loves the kids and is a good dad on terms of direct contact so this will be devastating for him .

Do you want to reconcile with him?

OchreRaven · 14/05/2025 13:12

Thunderonlyhappenswhenitsraining1 · 14/05/2025 13:01

Sorry replied to the wrong post about this , but as I say he does say this is part of the biohacking and there is evidence to support that. My gut feeling is that this hasn’t got physical yet , but I think there is very much intent there

You have no reason to believe it’s not physical. He has lied to you consistently. He had taken viagra. He’s stayed out late and given implausible excuses. Unless he gives you proof it wasn’t physical I.e. sharing the messages I would work off the assumption it is.

I understand you wanting to protect your kids but you are acting like his mother trying to control his behaviour and this is how he will see it. I know this comes from a place of panic watching the man you love destroy himself and your family but you can’t help him if he doesn’t want help. He will just resent you more. Take a step back.

Regardless of whether you want him back or not you need to tell him that his behaviour is unacceptable to you and you don’t want a man who behaves like he has. You ending it and not wanting him will be more likely to snap him out of it than trying to control his drug use.

But you also need to stop this panic mode. Your relationship as you knew it is gone. You can’t get that back. You can’t control his choices. You need to accept his decision to leave and start working towards a different future. It hurts, but denial won’t make it easier.

He won’t respect you for clinging on to him. By moving on you show him you are someone worthy of respect.

MrTiddlesTheCat · 14/05/2025 13:16

He's not a good dad. Good dads don't selfishly blow apart their children's lives.

MrsMoastyToasty · 14/05/2025 13:22

Play hardball. Go to a solicitor and start divorce proceedings. Show that you're not putting up with his lying, cheating ways.

He's only lashing out because he's been found out.

Let the OW have the scumbag.

Sunflowers67 · 14/05/2025 14:12

I may have it all wrong, but it seems like you are trying to fix and save him - which is what I did for quite some time.
He is a grown man with responsibilities and he is not your problem.
I think I would be backing off, seeing to myself and my children and leave him to sort his mess out.
You may never know exactly what happened with the OW, the drugs, the lies - go with your gut and have some time out from him to clear your head a little.

It does feel awful, it does hurt but that will pass - have some time to clear that initial hurt and then see how you feel about everything.
Sending you a hug x

Thunderonlyhappenswhenitsraining1 · 14/05/2025 18:55

Didntask · 14/05/2025 13:11

Do you want to reconcile with him?

Yes in all honesty but I dont want him home yet. 6 weeks of bad behaviour out of 14 years- not acceptable but I would want him to do work on himself and then come back . Do I think he deserves the chance no , but our life was so good before and the kids miss him so much . Doesn’t mean I’m not being smart with all legal stuff , I feel like I’m twin tracking at the moment , hoping for the best but preparing for the worst so to speak .

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Didntask · 14/05/2025 20:03

How do you think you'll reconcile with his lies, deceit and drug taking?

Thunderonlyhappenswhenitsraining1 · 15/05/2025 00:19

Didntask · 14/05/2025 20:03

How do you think you'll reconcile with his lies, deceit and drug taking?

I would want to see him actively engaged in therapy that addresses both. Knowing who he was to who he currently is, there seems to be bottled up emotions that have festered within him , trying to self medicate rather than speak out and seek help and seeking gratification from someone else to make himself feel better .

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Elasticatedtrousers · 15/05/2025 06:48

I was told years ago that two people in an affair WILL be having sex if they meet up. Sorry but I think you’re super naive to think otherwise. He has late night meetings with OW. He is cheating, I’d put money on it being physical. Their behaviour is trying to limit damage control.

So your post here is trying to reconcile what you want to happen but the problem is you cannot control the narrative and you do not know the whole truth as this man is lying, gaslighting, manipulative and abusive. He is utterly unsafe for you to be around and the children. You’ve put in protective measures for the kids, YOU need them too!

He needs to go away and deal with himself atm and you need to stop being his carer. He is not your friend. You need to limit contact down to finances and kids. You need to protect your interests and you need to protect yourself!

He can then step up or ship out, but that will take time. I’m not sure I’d give it to him.

You have a long road ahead of you, I’m so so sorry you’re in this awful position.

SW10London · 18/05/2025 13:10

Why waste your energy on him. And definitely why on the other woman. I appreciate that there are kids involved and some level of comms has to remain. But other than that, show no emotion. The opposite of love is not hate, but indifference. Show some respect towards yourself and your kids and stay calm and collected.

Wallywobbles · 18/05/2025 13:38

This is the new him. You’ll always be in the wrong because otherwise he can’t justify his behavior. Just start to divorce him. You can press stop at any point. But I doubt you’ll want to do by the time you get that far.

Purplecatshopaholic · 18/05/2025 13:59

I’m sorry you are going through this op. I think you have done enough too. He has checked out, is lying, drug taking, and I’d bet money he’s cheating. Get a lawyer, don’t take any more shit, he’ll just respect you even less.