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My partner doesn't know if he loves me yet. Is this a dealbreaker?

50 replies

melissaloo · 07/05/2025 20:44

My partner (42M) and myself (44F) have been together almost two years. We never really had a dating period. We are from different cultures and he told me that in France there is no dating, that a relationship is assumed to be exclusive after a few dates and a kiss (please confirm if anyone can knows first hand), so we didn't get to know each other well first. We had been exchanging messages for a few months and I liked him, so I was okay with being exclusive. At first he really rushed things. Everything from sex to asking me to meet his daughter. He was wanting me to meet all of his friends and told me that he was really excited about me. I said I wanted to know him longer first before meeting his daughter (she is 18). I have never dated anyone with kids and have none myself, and I did not want to date anyone that had drama with their ex etc. I made this clear before we met and he told me they were amicable and there was none. We had also discussed topics like marriage etc which he was not sure on but did say he wanted a life partner and that it was an option if his partner really wanted it.
Two months in, we were at my families Christmas and his child went to the hospital because she had taken a few pills and the school was worried about her mental health/suicide safety. We live long distance and I offered to pay for the uber to get there since it was a 2 hour trip and I wasn't comfortable attending. He showed his dissatisfaction and my people pleasing self drove him all the way and sat in the hospital parking lot while him and the mother fought in the hospital and we found out she was fine but was upset her boyfriend broke up with her. I was not happy with myself for missing my family Christmas and at this point I didn't feel like I knew what I was getting into. That was when I found out there was a lot of drama and that they did not get along at all. Apparently these types of things were a common occurrence. It was a lot for me and I wasn't sure I wanted to commit to a relationship that had these issues. I panicked and broke up with him after this. I then regretted it and apologized profusely and he said he would see a counsellor to deal with some of the issues that were going on since it was really affecting him. There are some drug/alcohol issues as well with the teen. He never did see a counsellor and similar issues kept arising and he kept asking me to support. When I did give advice he would say I don't have children so I don't understand, but then be unhappy if I didn't want to participate.

Since we are long distance he only sees me a few days a month. He didn't want me going to his place since his child was uncomfortable with him having a girlfriend and similar issues like this (it would take too many words to explain all of the issues), but he was only coming to see me every 4-6 weeks. He missed my birthday as well (which I moved to accommodate the days off with his kid twice) since they were having more issues at home. I felt like he wasn't listening or doing the things he said he promised and I broke up with him and have been ambivalent about the relationship as a result. I told him I wanted to get to know his daughter better at this point so that I would know if we got along etc. since he told me she made his last relationship difficult.

He did finally agree after these arguments to let me know her a bit more and come to his home to see him. He said he forgave the fights we had before and wanted to continue in the relationship. I felt better once I got to know her a little and felt I could finally commit to the relationship. I was hot and cold and wanted to take it slower. In the beginning he asked me about moving in together and was talking about things way into the future. I told him that I didn't want to rush things and to me living together should be taken as seriously as being married as we both have assets, homes etc. He said that he felt I shot him down and I explained it was just too soon (two months into a relationship).

After getting to know his 18 year old a bit better and things seemed to settle down there, things were smooth for about 6 months and I was feeling more comfortable with things. I have to resign my mortgage soon. I was thinking of selling and I thought, well since we are long distance I would make the move for the better of the relationship to be closer to where he is. Since he had asked many times (even a few weeks ago), I thought he would be excited about this. I have other reasons for wanting to move as well, not just him. When I told him, his response was "well that is a lot of pressure for me..."

I was very upset and said this is what you have been pushing for since we met. He said that he was really in love with me in the beginning and I broke it when I had cold feet and broke up with him those times. He said he put up walls to protect himself and is not sure if he is in love. He also told me he wasn't too serious about the stuff he said about moving in etc, and that is a lie. If it was a joke then he was lying before. This was something that came up many times for him. Basically he is acting like everything that happened in the beginning didn't happen, right down to him pressuring me to meet his daughter.
I asked why he continued in a relationship for 6 more months if he was not in love. He said that he feels happy when he is with me, he is happy in the relationship, he is very attracted to me, he feels more comfortable having sex with me than anyone before, he misses me when I am gone, cares very much about me and I am his best friend. I am confused because to me that is love. He said it is different for everyone and in France they do not say that easily. If anyone knows that, please chime in. Well he has said it to me many times... he also said he is worried if we break up it will be a mistake and he thinks the relationship has potential.

He also told me that he wants a long term relationship (common law etc) but has worries about marriage because of his parents relationship. In Canada where we are, common law is essentially the same. He still wants to continue a relationship with me and even move in together but says he needs to take his time to let his walls down again and see if it is love. He does not want to just date, be friends with benefits, or see other people. He was mad at me for even suggesting it. I don't know how I feel about this, since I think we should know how we feel about each other by now. I also think feelings ebb and flow, but you should probably have a good idea of how you feel in general. I told him we need to go and think about this. I really don't like how he pushed in the beginning and now is acting like it never happened and he is the one that wants to take it slow. I feel like this is a deception, it feels disingenuous to me but I also feel like he is justified in feeling unsure about the relationship as I was unsure in the beginning. When we are together we have an amazing time, he is very caring and good to me except for this. He always wants to know what I am up to, how I am, what I am doing. He seems genuinely interested in me and takes good care of me when we are together. It seems like we only fight when we are apart and I am upset and overthinking the long distance, but him saying he doesn't know if it is love is really a shock to me.

OP posts:
SelinaPlace · 08/05/2025 10:22

Bibi12 · 08/05/2025 10:11

Sorry I didn't manage to read everything but I assume you've only been dating few months?
You're not supposed to marry every person you are dating. It's all about getting to know each other and finding out if you are a good fit. You are clearly not compatible and he doesn't make you happy.
I can understand people who have mortgage and children together having hard time to separate but you're independent and I really don't see how this relationship brings anything positive to your life. Isn't it better to be on your own, focus on friends, goals and find someone better for you?

The OP says in the first line of her first post that they’ve been together just under two years.

dogcatkitten · 08/05/2025 10:22

You call it a relationship, but it is long distance you only meet up once in a while. His daughter takes precedent, which is good in many ways, but really doesn't suit you. You have to drop things to support him, but he doesn't reciprocate and he doesn't love you. You are wasting your life on this bloke, are you sure you can't do better?

MiddleAgedDread · 08/05/2025 10:30

He's not your partner, he's your boyfriend.
I don't understand when you say "we never really had a dating period"?? A dating period is exactly what you're in IMO if you're long distance and don't live together!
He sounds hard work and whilst he was keen on you to start with he's now going off the idea of this being a longer term partnership.

MinnieCauldwell · 08/05/2025 10:45

You are not his partner, you sound like a long distance FB. Bet my house he has someone else when you are not around.

Charlottejbt · 08/05/2025 10:55

QLB - Quittez le bâtard!

Dating culture in France has no bearing on his unpleasant behaviour. His daughter's attention seeking isn't normal and isn't your problem - I'm sure she needs love and sympathy etc. but it's not your place to give it, not that he'd let you anyway. He seems to be keeping you at a distance and giving you mixed messages. I'd assume he was seeing other people, or open to doing so. You've been too patient for too long.

Sodthesystem · 08/05/2025 11:41

Run babe, ruuuuun!

And if course people date in Paris btw.

pikkumyy77 · 08/05/2025 11:49

He doesn't put himself out for you AT ALL. Its all give, give, give from you and “do this” and “I want” from him. This is obviously a horrible relationship with a terrible person: selfish, controlling, manipulative, demanding, cold, —I am running out if adjectives here but he deserves several more.

Just break it off and read up on manipulative people. Don’t get into a relationship with a pushy person again.

Bookworm20 · 08/05/2025 19:42

Waaaaaay too much drama.
And to be blunt, if he doesnt know if he loves you after 2 years - he doesn't love you.
honestly, throw this one back, you are wasting your life on this one.

notamom6 · 09/05/2025 17:57

Thank you for all of the replies, it has helped me a lot to stay tough. I really haven't been sure if I was the one that created the issues here. I was tough yesterday and basically told him I don't see why I would continue in a relationship where not only was he unsure if he loved me, especially since he had said it many times. The part that is so crazy to me is that he pushed it all in the first place, had me meet his family, friends, talked about moving in together and even said he was SO in love with me until I broke up with him so it was my fault he put walls up and since we have had a few breakups. I can understand when people have a change of heart but he is acting like this never happened...and it did!! These are only some of the details as well. The bizarre thing is that I had offered a casual relationship a few times since he didn't seem to want to commit to anything and he has said no, that it has to be a committed, exclusive relationship which I don't understand. His reply to me last night was:

"I think it is too bad that you don't want to give me more time... it is unfortunate that you have put me on the spot so much lately... love is different for everyone and is built through time. I don't really believe in love at first sight. It can happen but it is rare. Real love takes time and is built through life experience and hardship. I understand you can't take the long distance thing and unfortunately we don't see each other often. As you said you feel you deserve better and don't have time to waste. Maybe one day we will reconnect." I did reply and tell him I felt that this was gaslighting and it went back and forth a little more and I told him that he has told me many times he loved me.

Two years? Really? I am lost for words at this point. I am not sure if I should just tell him off or be the bigger person and he can be the one with regrets instead of giving him another reason to blame me for being the problem...

AgnesX · 09/05/2025 18:05

After the first couple of paragraphs I was of the opinion of cut your losses, his behaviour is shocking, bit normal or rational. The rest of your post didn't change my mind.

I'm sorry you've wasted so much time.

cramptramp · 09/05/2025 18:11

He’s keeping you dangling until someone he thinks is better comes along. Dump him.

Scrapsy · 09/05/2025 18:11

Only glanced through original post but reckon get rid as way too much drama and can't see it getting any better

LouiseMadetheBestBroccoliPasta · 09/05/2025 18:25

notamom6 · 09/05/2025 17:57

Thank you for all of the replies, it has helped me a lot to stay tough. I really haven't been sure if I was the one that created the issues here. I was tough yesterday and basically told him I don't see why I would continue in a relationship where not only was he unsure if he loved me, especially since he had said it many times. The part that is so crazy to me is that he pushed it all in the first place, had me meet his family, friends, talked about moving in together and even said he was SO in love with me until I broke up with him so it was my fault he put walls up and since we have had a few breakups. I can understand when people have a change of heart but he is acting like this never happened...and it did!! These are only some of the details as well. The bizarre thing is that I had offered a casual relationship a few times since he didn't seem to want to commit to anything and he has said no, that it has to be a committed, exclusive relationship which I don't understand. His reply to me last night was:

"I think it is too bad that you don't want to give me more time... it is unfortunate that you have put me on the spot so much lately... love is different for everyone and is built through time. I don't really believe in love at first sight. It can happen but it is rare. Real love takes time and is built through life experience and hardship. I understand you can't take the long distance thing and unfortunately we don't see each other often. As you said you feel you deserve better and don't have time to waste. Maybe one day we will reconnect." I did reply and tell him I felt that this was gaslighting and it went back and forth a little more and I told him that he has told me many times he loved me.

Two years? Really? I am lost for words at this point. I am not sure if I should just tell him off or be the bigger person and he can be the one with regrets instead of giving him another reason to blame me for being the problem...

He sounds like a lovebombing avoidant, a pushmi-pullyu. People like that can do your head in, don't get attached to them because you'll never know what's going on and you'll waste a lot of energy trying to figure it out.

Things shouldn't be this complicated, especially this early into a relationship. Block him and delete his contact. He'll probably try to access you via other channels eventually to start up the lovebombing-withdrawal cycle again. Resist the urge to respond.

Springtime43 · 09/05/2025 18:30

Good relationships should not be complicated. My Nan told me this, and she was always right about this stuff!

LateMumma · 09/05/2025 18:32

Time to move on, no one needs this drama

Icexream · 09/05/2025 18:34

To me, dating one person at a time (so being exclusive early on) is perfectly normal, the rest is completely bonkers.

Thatsthebottomline · 09/05/2025 18:53

Nah, I'm not buying that. Two years is long enough to know if you love someone.

If he doesn't know that means he doesn't love you.

I'd move on.

RickiRaccoon · 09/05/2025 18:59

Sorry, he sounds like too much work. Good relationships should generally be much easier in the early stages.

BlueFrame · 09/05/2025 19:18

“As you said you feel you deserve better “”
Your feeling is correct.

“and don't have time to waste”
Also correct.

”Maybe one day we will reconnect."
Unlikely, as hopefully you’ve blocked him by now.

Thebelleofstmarys · 09/05/2025 20:00

You need a relationship, not a project .

It's way too much drama , too soon and he shows no actions to alter that .

You deserve peace so aim for that .

Bibi12 · 11/05/2025 16:06

SelinaPlace · 08/05/2025 10:22

The OP says in the first line of her first post that they’ve been together just under two years.

But she also says they never "dated" which means there is a period of time they were just getting to know each other rather then being established couple regardless of what they called their relationship.

They are not married with kids and mortgage together, there is no point continuing this long distance situationshop when he doesn't even know if he loves her.

CowTown · 11/05/2025 16:14

Courez aux collines.

CharlotteCollinsneeLucas · 11/05/2025 16:24

notamom6 · 09/05/2025 17:57

Thank you for all of the replies, it has helped me a lot to stay tough. I really haven't been sure if I was the one that created the issues here. I was tough yesterday and basically told him I don't see why I would continue in a relationship where not only was he unsure if he loved me, especially since he had said it many times. The part that is so crazy to me is that he pushed it all in the first place, had me meet his family, friends, talked about moving in together and even said he was SO in love with me until I broke up with him so it was my fault he put walls up and since we have had a few breakups. I can understand when people have a change of heart but he is acting like this never happened...and it did!! These are only some of the details as well. The bizarre thing is that I had offered a casual relationship a few times since he didn't seem to want to commit to anything and he has said no, that it has to be a committed, exclusive relationship which I don't understand. His reply to me last night was:

"I think it is too bad that you don't want to give me more time... it is unfortunate that you have put me on the spot so much lately... love is different for everyone and is built through time. I don't really believe in love at first sight. It can happen but it is rare. Real love takes time and is built through life experience and hardship. I understand you can't take the long distance thing and unfortunately we don't see each other often. As you said you feel you deserve better and don't have time to waste. Maybe one day we will reconnect." I did reply and tell him I felt that this was gaslighting and it went back and forth a little more and I told him that he has told me many times he loved me.

Two years? Really? I am lost for words at this point. I am not sure if I should just tell him off or be the bigger person and he can be the one with regrets instead of giving him another reason to blame me for being the problem...

This reads like you didn't want the conversation to end. You know you don't need his permission to end the relationship, don't you?

Dogpawsandcatwhiskers · 11/05/2025 16:33

What joy and positivity does he bring to your life?

notamom6 · 12/05/2025 20:11

LouiseMadetheBestBroccoliPasta · 09/05/2025 18:25

He sounds like a lovebombing avoidant, a pushmi-pullyu. People like that can do your head in, don't get attached to them because you'll never know what's going on and you'll waste a lot of energy trying to figure it out.

Things shouldn't be this complicated, especially this early into a relationship. Block him and delete his contact. He'll probably try to access you via other channels eventually to start up the lovebombing-withdrawal cycle again. Resist the urge to respond.

Thank you, I actually looked into "avoidant" quite a bit and this definitely seems to describe him. I think it has been hidden a bit so far because of the distance and his career (pilot) so he has many excuses that make sense but when I put the pieces together especially with the stories of previous exes, it sounds very plausible that this is him (avoidant).

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