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Is this the start of the end of my marriage or can I keep trying to make it work?

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IcyDenimBear · 05/05/2025 21:23

Hello, first time posting as a nearly 39-year-old married woman with a 5-year-old daughter. I need some advice from others who have been in similar situations, especially those who are older than I and have more life experience.

I have been married to my husband for nearly 7 years. I do love my husband, my family, and I love the idea of staying together forever. Like most people, he is not perfect, and neither am I. He is a good father, and is very hands-on with our daughter, and even though at times, it does not seem it, in his eyes, he is always trying to do what is best for me.

I should have seen the red flags when we were dating. We first met around 10 years ago, and during the first couple of years of dating, we were breaking up and getting back together every 5 minutes. We would argue, he would scream at me, yell, and we just had different opinions/perspectives on different situations due to our cultural differences, mainly as he is not from the UK originally. Some of this is do to the roles of men/women in the relationship and just the way he sees things.

After a long break-up while dating, we managed to find our way back to each other and got married, had a child, bought a house and now due to do IVF again for baby no. 2.

Most or some of this past 7 years especially the earlier ones were good but then I think back to the way he controlled what I ordered in a restaurant, the weekend we got engaged or the way he screamed during most of our honeymoon for wanting to stop and have a drink or go to nice cafes. There have been really good times as well. He was there for me when I was really sick and nursed me back to better health. He stood by me when I was struggling with feelings for someone else (that I did not act on), but again, I think, was I looking for an escape?

Last year, we did break up for like 24 hours. I went to my parents, it was all very emotional and for a minute, I was relieved, but then I started panicking. I managed to fight to get back with him, but now I wonder if this was all just a mistake.

There has not been a year that has gone by since we met where he has not yelled/screamed at me, and we end up in massive over-the-top arguments about things I do to frustrate him. Mostly, it is small things like cleaning the house, if I forgot to do something, or other small things that do not warrant that type of behaviour. Sometimes it's arguments while he is driving in the car, and also not just the arguments, but the things he says. He can be very mean-spirited and has phrases that he sometimes thinks it is funny or a joke. The one that always hurts the most is when I am told I am selfish.

Like, for example, last night I forgot to do something was in bed sleeping. He told me to due to immediately at midnight. I said I would schedule it in the morning and that I would give him my word. His response was "Your word does not mean * to me anymore (basically a swear word related to the bathroom that I do not think I can type here due to rules, maybe).

One thing I want to highlight is that when this happens, I become extremely mentally unwell. I crawl in a ball sometimes, my hands shake back and forwards, I mentally shut down, and he can still be sitting there yelling/screaming at me when I am telling him to stop and explaining my anxiety during the situation.

We always have these arguments, but then the next day, he is fine, or when I get extremely upset, he apologises, hugs me, and everything is fine. He says it is the couples who fight that love each other.

We also have very different ideas about life and what our priorities are. He is very much north, and I am south, if that makes sense. He wants a football team of kids, and I would be happy not having any more or maybe just one more, as PND with my first was so severe.

Writing all of this out makes my marriage sound so bad, but it's just life and not all bad. I feel part of the issue was that we never do anything together as a couple or family. We both have full-time jobs and a side hustle each. We have never slept in the same bed due to his snoring. I am not even sure if I am attracted to him anymore. He is not ugly to me, or I think, after 7 years of marriage, it's hardly the honeymoon phase, so I try to see this as normal.

I do not hate him, and for a long time did not want to even consider thinking the word 'leave' as it was too triggering. I thought what would become of me if I left. I am approaching 40, and my goal was to have like 3 kids and be planning family holidays and working on our goals. I could probably tread forward, do this, but mostly I would be unhappy, as he always fights with me, and that is never going to change.

Would I turn around at 60 and just cry regretting my life, if I do not do something to change my circumstances?

Lately, I have been thinking about the idea of preparing to leave. I do not drive and depend on him to get to work, so I would need to learn to drive first.

I am not just here for comments to confirm my feelings, as I believed in vows and as a catholic saw these as a sacrament but I am just miserable like 50% of the time and try to find joy in things I enjoy. Lately, I am happier when I am in the office. He always says that if I did not do the things to hurt him, he would not react in that way and tells me I do not listen. Maybe I don't.

Most of all, I want to think about what is best for my daughter. 95% of the time, she is witness to me crying uncontrollably when we argue, and she hears how my husband yells/screams/goes off like a fire verbally. He has never hit me. Like a month or 2 ago, my daughter was wiping away my tears when my husband was screaming at me. Whenever we do fight, he is always the first to say in anger, Let's get a divorce, If you do not want the marriage, there is the door; sign the divorce papers.

I also have to hide who I am in a way, and what I want to do. For example, he has pretty strong beliefs on things like tattoos, botox, fillers, and if I say I want anything like this, I would have to hide it. I could not hide a tattoo, but I do not want one of those anyway. When we first met, I did not have anything like this. I felt I had to hide, but as I get older, I want botox, and I could not do this and tell him.

To end this, the main thing from his perspective which makes him angry is that he says he does everything. He is very hands-on with our son, as I was unwell when he was born, so it just went that way, but as we have grown, I do loads more now. He also says I do not keep the house clean/tidy, and that he does it all, but I just see it as living a busy life with children/work and trying my best. He wants the house to look like a show home and be tidy all the time, but lately he has just stopped cleaning altogether. It is me picking his clothes up, putting them away, trying to hang the washing and doing stuff, etc, around the house.

Can I ask, has anyone ever been in a similar situation and then gone on (within time) to meet someone else? I don't know if I would want to get married again, but I hate the idea of being alone.

My biggest reason for never wanting to leave in the past was that I did not want to say be at my daughters wedding one day and he my husband with someone else and for us to have split our son between us and how this would realistically work. I also have struggled a lot in the past with my mental health, and I do worry he will use that against me. So for a while I was coasting along thinking, if I could go back and do it all again, I would do it differently, but now just make the most of the cards you have been dealt.

I don't know if I can continue like this, though. I know this has been a long one, and I see similar threads on here as well. Thanks for reading.

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milski · 05/05/2025 21:34

Oh OP, he sounds awful. For a start, I'd stop picking up after him, doing his washing, cooking for him etc if he's stopped cleaning 9r doing any household chores. Just focus on you and your children while you, hopefully, work up the courage to leave him.

Keepitrealnomists · 05/05/2025 21:38

This is not normal for many people, it's normal for you as that's how your relationship is, it's always been abusive and toxic. Make plans to leave, do not have another child with this man.

EveryOtherNameTaken · 05/05/2025 21:42

As first poster says .....

80s · 05/05/2025 21:43

He says it is the couples who fight that love each other.
Couples who love each other do argue, but they don't argue like that.

Mrsmouse71 · 05/05/2025 21:44

Do you really want to live like that for the rest of your life?? Potentially 40-50 years of getting yelled at? Call Womens Aid for advice. He sounds horrendous

User2025meow · 05/05/2025 21:45

He’s incredibly abusive and your mental and physical health is at risk if you stay. I think you just don’t know what a healthy relationship looks like. He shouldn’t get away with the horrible manipulation he subjects you too. There are just so many things wrong that he does that you’ve described in your post, I wouldn’t even know where to start. I’m sorry you’re going through this OP, but you will be much happier without him and your children too. I don’t think he’ll make it easy for you to leave though. You should contact women’s aid for advice.

AnotherSuperHeroe · 05/05/2025 22:00

Do not move forward with the IVF.

This is abusive behaviour and you’re subjecting your child to this.

I can’t fathom speaking to my husband the way he screams at you - in fact I would be looking to leave and divorce for unreasonable behaviour.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 05/05/2025 22:09

It sounds like you've got post traumatic stress disorder. Your crying and shaking sounds like a trauma response.

I'm not exactly sure what you're doing because my child witnessing an angry man screaming at a woman who is sobbing and shaking is not something I'd ever want them to experience. It must be very traumatic.

You don't have to think about divorce at the moment, put it out of your mind. Your focus needs to be about protecting your children from this. Do you want this raging man screaming at your children? Do you want their childhoods to be spent tiptoeing around a bully?

He is very dominant. He orders you to get out of bed at his command. He orders your food, he criticises you, he expects you to clean up after him.

You can contact the National Domestic Abuse Helpline. It's available 24/7.

AgathaX · 05/05/2025 22:32

You don't have to live this life. He's not good for you. Your relationship doesn't sound like a good example to set for your child.

You can move on. You can leave him, enjoy your life and freedom. Let your DC enjoy a happy and stress free life.

BuntyBeaufort · 05/05/2025 22:39

You are unhappy now, and will carry on being unhappy with this man who is verbally aggressive and controlling. Living like this is neither normal nor acceptable.
I can understand how terrifying the thought of making a huge change such as leaving him can feel.
But believe me when I say, you will be just as unhappy at 50, 60, 70, 80 and beyond, but with the added regret of having wasted all the intervening years in misery.

TheHerboriste · 05/05/2025 22:46

Don’t you want better for your child?!?!

Picklechicken · 05/05/2025 22:51

I am older than you and I think (having been in similar situations) when you’re younger you have more energy to put up with this shit, but as you get older you really don’t. It’s abusive and you and your dc deserve better. Why on earth are you even considering having IVF in this sort of relationship? Madness. You need to leave and build a life for yourself away from him. If someone is screaming at you like this they don’t love you.

Pallisers · 05/05/2025 22:59

There are all sorts of bits of your OP I could highlight to show you how awful a way this is to live. I am married 30 plus years and by god we have had our down times as well as our up but my dh has never ever screamed or yelled at me or tried to control what I ordered in a restaurant - or any of the other awful things your dh does regularly. Not even in the most extreme of circumstances.

But this stands out to me:

Most of all, I want to think about what is best for my daughter. 95% of the time, she is witness to me crying uncontrollably when we argue, and she hears how my husband yells/screams/goes off like a fire verbally. He has never hit me. Like a month or 2 ago, my daughter was wiping away my tears when my husband was screaming at me.

This is no way for your daughter to live. Can you not see that a child wiping away its mother's tears because her dad is screaming at her is an abused child?

You need to get out of this toxic situation as soon as possible. You really do. ask for help in real life. This is no way for you to live. It is certainly no way for your daughter to be reared.

LeftieRightsHoarder · 05/05/2025 23:05

80s · 05/05/2025 21:43

He says it is the couples who fight that love each other.
Couples who love each other do argue, but they don't argue like that.

His comment is bullshit. He goes far beyond normal arguing, or a bit of bickering when you’re both tired. It is harming DC as well as you.

It’s heartbreaking to read my daughter was wiping away my tears when my husband was screaming at me. Please get away from him.

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GeorgianaM · 05/05/2025 23:14

No man has ever yelled/screamed at me and if they did it would be once only as they would be cut completely out of my life.

I have no idea why you married him and why you had a child and are even planning to have another child with him.

You have set the bar very low.

Look at your daughter. Would you ever imagine her in the future being yelled and screamed at by a man? No, you would feel sick at the thought, but that’s what you are setting her up for, by showing her that’s how women allow men to treat them!

He is abusive and you must put a stop to it by getting the hell away from him as fast as you can.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 05/05/2025 23:28

What did you learn about relationships when you were growing up?.

What do you want to teach your child about relationships and what is she learning here?.

How can you be helped into leaving your abuser?. Do call Women’s Aid if you are in the UK. Coercive control is also a crime and you are being controlled by him. Your marriage to him is over because of the abuse he metes out to you, and in turn your DD.

Coffeislife · 05/05/2025 23:38

Is your son from a previous relationship ? Is he treated differently?
Your kids are seeing this right now do you wish them to believe this is the normal?

leftoff · 06/05/2025 00:21

I just left my marriage in my 40s with a child under 5, my marriage had some echoes of what you are going through but was nowhere near as bad as you describe.
I have always been quite independent, and can drive. I don’t harbour any delusions of meeting another man worth getting involved with. I’m still happier single than in my marriage. Divorce creates a space you can fill with better people. Single doesn’t have to be lonely and bad marriages are lonelier still.
Definitely speak to women’s aid. I wish I had earlier. They can also link you with solicitors etc for legal advice. See what they think could happen if you left, would a court give him 50/50 childcare if he asked.
I would also try and do whatever you can to try and build your calmness and strength- exercise, individual counselling, meditation/yoga, building a support network you can trust and rely on. It will all help you on the road ahead. You can get out of this and things can be better.
Good luck.

Smudgerbabe · 06/05/2025 00:42

To answer some of your questions and comments. Firstly if you left him OF COURSE you'll meet someone else one day, you're young!! Life doesn't end at 40 you know!! Soooo many people I know meeting new life partners in their 40s, 50s and 60s. Secondly, learn to drive asap, it's important for independence and if you leave with the kids. You must speak to someone else, Women's Aid or a friend (of yours not his) or a family solicitor (they offer free first half hour consultation, maybe by phone if can't drive there). Start thinking and planning and do not let him know. Keep the children away from the toxic situation, your poor daughter, it's horrendous for her to be in that position. Also go to the GP (ask for female if prefer) for a chat about your depression/trauma. Your self esteem is so low (caused mostly by him) that it's hard to think straight but this will change with the more people you talk to about it. Leave him and don't 'panic' this time, just stay away. Even if you have to share some custody of your son this is a way better situation for him and you than the situation now. My life improved immeasurably when my parents divorced, it's not always a bad thing for the kids.

urbanbuddha · 06/05/2025 01:09

He always says that if I did not do the things to hurt him, he would not react in that way and tells me I do not listen.

So it's your fault he's a bad-tempered bastard? No. It's not.

This is no way to bring up your daughter. Start by calling Women's Aid and talking things through with them.

its2346 · 06/05/2025 09:14

I have a friend who left her partner after 11 years of this. Her son now has real issues after witnessing so many screaming fights.

He is ten. He has anxiety issues and struggles to sustain friendships because of his own inability to keep his anger in check. He says the nastiest things to other kids then lies about it.

Visits usually end with him curled up crying on the sofa after everyone has left (because they’ve had enough) with deep shame because he has ruined things again.

My child refuses to go visit at all now which is tough because his mother is my friend. But I totally put my son’s feelings first. I don’t try to persuade him to ‘give it another go’ etc.

Imagine this was your daughter? Imagine your child’s peer group not wanting to come visit because your child’s relationships with other kids are broken.

Or imagine your daughter living the life you now lead because she thinks this is normal and this is what ‘people who love each other’ do.

You need to leave him.

Enrichetta · 06/05/2025 10:45

You know this will never work.

Please save yourself and your daughter.

You will regret it, deeply regret it, if you stay.

Redfloralduvet · 06/05/2025 18:46

I made it about halfway through your first post. You're in an abusive relationship. Do Not have a second child with this man! He's toxic and no good for you.

There's always good times, at least in the beginning, none of these abusers would ever get into relationships if they were arses consistently. It's called the cycle of abuse. Leave and don't look back.

If you panic at being single, get psychological help for yourself and peer support, don't go running back to the familiarity of abuse just to relieve the panic of change.