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DCs REALLY don't want to go to their dads anymore

10 replies

RubyMouse · 01/05/2025 21:31

A bit of a what should I do now
DCs are 9,6 and 2. I left EX (their dad) 18 months ago.

He had just turned into a man I didn't recognise. We met at university and he was kind, considerate, and our values aligned. During COVID he started to change it started with getting into COVID conspiracy theories and anti-vax stuff. This slowly progressed into more conspiracy theories and then into all this sexist you can't trust women and they need to be chained to the kitchen stuff.

When I gave birth to the youngest things came to a head. The youngest was born with a genetic condition. The older two also have other additional needs. He insisted that we get a paternity test on the youngest cause he couldn't possibly be the father. When it confirmed that he was he insisted it was false and that I must have done something or it must be my fault. I eventaully left 6 months later.

He has made everything SO difficult. He won't pay CMS, initially threatened to go for 50/50 just so he wouldn't have to pay. He has now gone "self-employed" and pays £10 a week. He sees the DCs every other Sunday .

DC2 has never really liked going, DC3 isn't really bothered either way at this point. DC1 used to love seeing her dad but gradually this has changed. DC1 is deaf she has an implant, she is learning to sign and she can read lips but not very well.

When she was diagnosed EX and I both started learning to sign. DC2 and DC3 have picked some up too.

Recently she has been coming home saying that her dad has stopped signing anymore and just talks to her but if shes had to take her implant out she can't always understand him. But he wont sign even when she asks.

Last Sunday they went with him to the park and she climbed on one slide and DC2 was on another climbing frame and they were signing to each other and ex started shouting at them to stop and when they asked why he said he didn't want anyone to see them doing it. That people would think they were weird and it was embarrassing. DC1 started to cry and he told her to stop creating a scene and that this was my fault because I tell them to be themselves but in the real world everyone feels sorry for him cause his kids are odd.

Both DCs then cried so he put them in the car and drove them to my house and then left without a word. So all this information had come from the DCs though they are telling similar stories and I believe them.

DCs are all now saying they don't want to go. We have no court order in place and I don't want to force them. I've tried texting EX to ask to talk about it but hes ignored every message (which is normal for him) but they are due to go this weekend and he will turn up as normal.
He will be upset not cause the DCS are upset but because he always takes the DCs to his family to show off what s good dad he is and he won't want to explain to them why his DCs aren't with him.

I don't want the DCs to go but this will kick off and I really can't afford to go to court and if we do he'll charm his way into getting what he wants or find some loophole like he always does.

OP posts:
notsureyetcertain · 01/05/2025 21:48

Do everything in writing and keep a record of communication. Can he afford court? Would you be entitled to legal aid? My ex use to threaten but never did it, it’s tricky as they are a little young to be able to give an opinion but I wouldn’t want to send them either.

Hopefully someone with experience will come along and giving advice from a legal perspective.

FusionChefGeoff · 01/05/2025 21:55

That’s horrendous - I would back them up and show them that no one gets to treat them like that. Message him to say that he won’t be seeing them if he continues to emotionally abuse them and ignore his DD disability so he doesn’t need to come this weekend.

Temporaryname158 · 01/05/2025 22:07

What an awful parent! At least it is just one day a fortnight.

i would text him a summary of the park incident and ask him what happened and why he returned them early. State the obvious that sign is a comms tool for your daughter as he well knew when he was learning.

state only fact and keep all messages you send. No response will speak volumes.

keep all this on record. Put it in writing to the school, explaining DC may be upset on Monday and why.

play the long game and keep a thorough per trail

look back for any texts he sent stating he was going to try and avoid Maintenece. If you think he’s working report him for fraud.

hold all this back, if he turns up Sunday they should go, however explain to them they won’t have to go forever and can choose not to when they are a bit older.

however if such an incident happens again I’d take him to court. It’s emotional abuse of your daughter. You’d then have the per trail to hand. You could represent yourself but report every incident formally to someone in authority so their is a log.

if you are lucky he won’t turn up again!

RubyMouse · 01/05/2025 22:17

I have a record of everything he messages, but he's clever enough to say most things in person rather than in writing.
He can 100% afford court, he claims he earns nothing and if self-employed, but I know he works for his family business because when I've bumped into the exils they've sometimes accidentally let slip that he's been in work etc. Even if he couldn't when we were together he used to show me post from these forums he was on where people would help dads with court costs cause the mum was withholding the DCS and he would say that I could never leave him cause he would always be able to get better legal help than I could.

I will check if I'm entitled to legal aid.

I've already told the school and I've messaged him to ask what happened at the park from his perspective but he's ignored all my messages.

OP posts:
cestlavielife · 01/05/2025 22:20

He can take you to court
You can represent yourself
Keep a record especially of the needs
Stop contacting him
Speak to school safeguarding about his treatment of dd

b0zza1 · 01/05/2025 22:53

You can make voice recordings by getting an app on your phone and having it in your pocket. These would not necessarily have to be submitted in court and judges tend not to favour this kind of evidence. Even though it's lawful to record conversations for personal use. However you can make notes from them and submit the notes as contemporaneous and if things really kick off then you could submit the recordings - so they're a back up. If you don't qualify for legal aid then you can represent yourself. Even if you're not together but he's currently abusive then this is post separation abuse and you can seek support from Women's aid or a local da service. If you are not going to make the kids go then make sure you have a friend or other person with you at the time he usually comes.

sesquipedalian · 01/05/2025 23:14

OP, I don’t think you can afford not to go to court. You need to get a divorce and proper CM in place for both you and your DC. It seems the person who has a problem is him - if I saw children signing, I would simply assume that one or both of them were deaf, and what on earth is there to be embarrassed about there? This is awful for your poor children - both they and you deserve more. What he said is very telling, that “people would think they were weird and it was embarrassing”. People really really won’t - but quite clearly, he thinks “everyone feels sorry for him cause his kids are odd”. His kids aren’t odd, and it’s wicked of him to make them think they are. How do the DC get on with his parents, their grandparents? Are they OK there, and most importantly, are they safe? If so, I’d let him see them there - but if you think he’s going to upset the DC again, then I’d tell him he can’t see them because the DC were very unhappy about how he treated them last time and don’t want to come.

Halfemptyhalfling · 01/05/2025 23:21

Sounds like he is not capable of caring for them adequately currently. Can you arrange so they just see him at grandparents so he is not alone with them?
Are you sure he really wants to see them? It might peter out without court now he knows it's a bit of effort. nine year old is likely to have some say anyway

thepariscrimefiles · 02/05/2025 14:29

RubyMouse · 01/05/2025 22:17

I have a record of everything he messages, but he's clever enough to say most things in person rather than in writing.
He can 100% afford court, he claims he earns nothing and if self-employed, but I know he works for his family business because when I've bumped into the exils they've sometimes accidentally let slip that he's been in work etc. Even if he couldn't when we were together he used to show me post from these forums he was on where people would help dads with court costs cause the mum was withholding the DCS and he would say that I could never leave him cause he would always be able to get better legal help than I could.

I will check if I'm entitled to legal aid.

I've already told the school and I've messaged him to ask what happened at the park from his perspective but he's ignored all my messages.

His parents are obviously paying him cash in hand for working in the family business so he won't be paying tax or national insurance. I would report them to HMRC.

outerspacepotato · 02/05/2025 15:03

Are there any advocacy or support organizations in the deaf community there that can provide legal assistance? That he's refusing to communicate in sign language could be considered linguistic neglect.

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