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Advice needed after argument

83 replies

BeSpryRubyScroller · 24/04/2025 15:43

I would be grateful of any advice as I am feeling really low. I’ve been married to my husband for nearly twenty years and we have two children who are both teenagers.

I work part time 3 days per week and part of my wages goes on a cleaner every two weeks.

i finished work yesterday and picked up my children from school. We have just come back (Tuesday) from holiday over Easter and everything was fine. Obviously the house was in chaos. Clothes / suitcases etc everywhere and everything was untidy so as soon as I got home yesterday I started tidying up and putting stuff away in readiness for my cleaner coming today whilst I would be at work.

I emptied all the suitcases of clothes but left the suitcases downstairs as they were still heavy and cumbersome with all the shoes and remainder of toiletries in them.

I solidly was tidying away for at least two and half hours when my husband arrived home from work. I was upstairs in our bedroom. He came in and went straight to say hello to the children and then when he came into our room he walked in and said a vague hello and then said I hadn’t opened the side curtains of the windows and could I do it. I explained that I had been super busy and hadn’t occurred to me to open them. I was then pottering around whilst he was getting changed to go to the gym and I asked him if he could bring the suitcases upstairs to which he replied he’d do it when he would be back from the gym. I explained I could be getting on and emptying them whilst he was at the gym so he said he would bring them up. He then said “you still haven’t opened the curtains” to which I replied “you still haven’t picked up the bath mat which I’ve asked tou to do countless times” and he responded with “I can’t wait to go out you are always moaning” so I responded with “I can’t wait for you to go out either” to which he replied “f* you”. I asked why he had said that and he said because I said I can’t wait for you to go out which was nasty. He then went downstairs.

I followed him down and asked why it was ok for him to say such a thing to me but when I replied with a similar comment he told me to f* myself. He didn’t listen. Wasn’t answering told me to get out of the way and then walked out in a different direction. I asked him to take the suitcases upstairs and he refused. So I said well I won’t make your dinner then.

Then and I’m not proud what happened then but I just lost my rag. I called him a name, said I hated him. Really saw Red mist. Started lagging the suitcases upstairs but ended up throwing them back down. My children were crying and I am upset that I upset them. My husband was shouting at me to “get out” of the house but I took myself off upstairs to calm down. I very quickly calmed down and apologised to my children. By this point my husband had left and gone to the gym. When he came home I apologised for calling him a name, throwing the suitcases and upsetting the children.

However he doesn’t think he’s done anything wrong in how he spoke to me prior to all this happening. Yes my reaction was totally over the top and I’m sorry this happened. Im really upset with myself too over it. But I can’t get past how he now thinks he’s done nothing wrong. Almost as through because I’ve reacted in the way I did he is the victim.

I would be grateful of any advice. In my opinion he always is the instigator of arguments and for the most part I keep my cool but as I said I saw red yesterday and I’m not proud of that.

OP posts:
BeachRide · 25/04/2025 08:12

OP, you and your husband are damaging your children's mental health which will have long term effects. Get it sorted.

WakingUpToReality · 25/04/2025 08:39

Curioushoney · 25/04/2025 07:46

Or indeed why aren’t the teenagers making their own bloomin lunch

They can’t drive themselves around though can they? And he doesn’t like driving apparently.

AnonAnonmystery · 25/04/2025 08:49

I think the op doing things for her teenagers is the red herring here. I make my teenagers lunches because I like to take care of them. Same with lifts.
The real issue is the marital relationship. It’s not happy or healthy.
@BeSpryRubyScroller was it ever good?

Curioushoney · 25/04/2025 09:01

WakingUpToReality · 25/04/2025 08:39

They can’t drive themselves around though can they? And he doesn’t like driving apparently.

Basically it’s a complete shit show and these poor kids have suffered most for it

LovelyCupOfTeaThankYou · 25/04/2025 10:40

BeSpryRubyScroller · 25/04/2025 06:47

Pretty much yes

'he walked in and said a vague hello and then said I hadn’t opened the side curtains of the windows and could I do it?'

He sounds incredibly selfish and self centered and I think you would have to be super-human not to react negativity this this behavior. And all the while you are working and he is getting changed for the gym? Utterly selfish, sounds like he has a big ego.

BeSpryRubyScroller · 25/04/2025 13:25

Curioushoney · 25/04/2025 09:01

Basically it’s a complete shit show and these poor kids have suffered most for it

I know and I am feeling really sad about this.

OP posts:
BeSpryRubyScroller · 25/04/2025 13:28

AnonAnonmystery · 25/04/2025 08:49

I think the op doing things for her teenagers is the red herring here. I make my teenagers lunches because I like to take care of them. Same with lifts.
The real issue is the marital relationship. It’s not happy or healthy.
@BeSpryRubyScroller was it ever good?

Yes once upon a time but he’s always been a bit of a control freak to be honest. With various things. Particularly money, he’s not tight by any means and we live a nice life on that sense but then he’ll get annoyed that I spent £6 on a bottle of lavender spray for the bedroom which I find really frustrating. We have shared bank accounts etc.

OP posts:
BeSpryRubyScroller · 25/04/2025 13:43

nopineapplepizza · 25/04/2025 08:04

So you don’t spend time together as a couple, touch, have sex, go on dates or chat about random things?

You’ve asked him in the past to do these things and he’s declined?

This isn’t a marriage, it’s a house share between two adults that don’t like each other and your DC are growing up believing that the coldness between you is “normal” and how marriage is.

That, above all things, is the biggest shame, because your DC are likely to end up in similar relationships, behaving in similar ways, because they’ve been taught that it’s “love”.

It really isn’t love you know 🤷‍♀️ it’s more like resentment and dislike and distrust and disrespect.

When you put it like that it sounds so sad. Makes me feel like crying.

My husband is reliable but just very cold and unaffectionate. He openly admits that. He is affectionate with the children to some degree but is always short of time because he’s either working / on the computer doing emails (personal) or watching tv or at the gym! Very little time to devote to us all especially me.

my daughter say a few years ago that she wants to marry someone different to Daddy.

OP posts:
Bumblebeestiltskin · 25/04/2025 13:56

The problem is, the longer she's forced to stay and watch your marriage, the more likely she is to end up marrying someone just like him.

You can change that, though.

Girlmom35 · 25/04/2025 14:56

I think you've probably got an enormous build-up of resentment going back years and years for something so small to escalate like this.
OP, your children are suffering most of all, because unlike you and your husband they don't get a say in how things are done at home.
I disagree with your husbands behaviour towards you, and I disagree with your reaction to his behaviour, but I don't see either of you as a victim. You both could have walked away from this toxicity a long time ago, rather than to sit in it and teach your children that this is what they should settle for.

I know you have your own narrative as to why you hold your grudge. And maybe you're right as an individual, but the moment you choose to stay married but hold a grudge, you're being a lousy partner. Just as he's a lousy partner for doing the same.
So either you both kick yourselves in the ass and start treating each other more kindly and more respectfully, or end this tragedy now.

Eggsinthewhoopsiebasketalready · 25/04/2025 15:08

He doesn't like driving? Does he drive himself to work? Betting he does...

BeSpryRubyScroller · 25/04/2025 15:22

Eggsinthewhoopsiebasketalready · 25/04/2025 15:08

He doesn't like driving? Does he drive himself to work? Betting he does...

No he gets the train x

OP posts:
Cloudface14 · 25/04/2025 16:12

BeSpryRubyScroller · 25/04/2025 13:25

I know and I am feeling really sad about this.

But not sad enough to seemingly make the change despite years of this horrific environment for your children

Cloudface14 · 25/04/2025 16:13

my daughter say a few years ago that she wants to marry someone different to Daddy.

what was your response?
what was your action?
did you tell your husband?

WakingUpToReality · 25/04/2025 16:17

I feel there’s a bit of victim blaming going on here. OP has asked her DH to go to couples counseling and he refused. It easy to say that she needs to sort this out but until you have lived with a controlling partner it’s difficult to understand. They make you doubt your reality until you don’t have the confidence anymore to stand up for yourself and ask for change. OP I think you have to insist again on couples counseling.

AnonAnonmystery · 25/04/2025 16:22

@WakingUpToReality I agree with you 100%.
It’s unfair and not helpful. It’s not just easy to call time on a marriage and there have been lot of judgemental comments on here.
The husband doesn’t seem receptive to counselling, seeing the other persons point of view or apologising and reflecting on her behavior. Op on the other hand IS reflecting on her behaviour, she knows her partners wrong too but she’s come of for advice not a bashing!

AnonAnonmystery · 25/04/2025 16:22

Correction - I meant reflecting on HIS behavior 😊

Cloudface14 · 25/04/2025 16:26

WakingUpToReality · 25/04/2025 16:17

I feel there’s a bit of victim blaming going on here. OP has asked her DH to go to couples counseling and he refused. It easy to say that she needs to sort this out but until you have lived with a controlling partner it’s difficult to understand. They make you doubt your reality until you don’t have the confidence anymore to stand up for yourself and ask for change. OP I think you have to insist again on couples counseling.

I see the children as the real victims

and this has been going on for many years

Cloudface14 · 25/04/2025 16:27

When you say they’re teens op, are they closer to 13 or 18?

BeSpryRubyScroller · 25/04/2025 16:41

Cloudface14 · 25/04/2025 16:27

When you say they’re teens op, are they closer to 13 or 18?

One is 14 and the other is 17 x

OP posts:
Cloudface14 · 25/04/2025 16:50

BeSpryRubyScroller · 25/04/2025 16:41

One is 14 and the other is 17 x

And they were both so disturbed by the last spat they were both crying

op… this is hellish

Your daughter told you years ago how clearly she was very unhappy with her parent’s marriage and indeed very explicitly her father

SeventeenClovesOfGarlic · 25/04/2025 16:51

Would you not prefer to be happy? To give your kids a happy home for the brief period before they're adults?

A 14 and 17 year old standing crying at how their parents are behaving.

They've been shown for their whole lives that women are for accommodating a man, that despising a spouse is normal.

Why not divorce and give your kids a peaceful home?

Cloudface14 · 25/04/2025 16:51

I am surprised though at these ages they couldn’t have helped you with the marathon 2.5 hours of cleaning and m the unpacking op?

80s · 25/04/2025 17:14

Do you ever speak thoughtfully, respectfully, from the heart and try to make things work? Do either of you want to make things work, if you're honest?

WallaceinAnderland · 26/04/2025 13:34

Oh god, your poor kids. How can you let them live like this?

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