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Subreddit for DARVOs? DH is subscribed 😣

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JustSadAF · 12/04/2025 00:06

Just found out DH is subscribed to and frequently visits this subreddit. I felt very uneasy going through it, as it feels like a bunch of (mostly but not entirely) men who blame their SOs for trying to hold them accountable for their actions -- what do you all think?

www.reddit.com/r/BPDlovedones

I'm disturbed and upset for several reasons and it makes me feel like he will literally never recognize or take accountability for his actions towards me.

It's like a whole ass subreddit full of DARVOS.

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Cryingatthegym · 12/04/2025 00:14

Yeah. My abusive ex found that subreddit towards the end of our relationship and tried to convince me I had BPD and that it was essentially all my fault/in my own head. It was a pretty scary time to be honest. I'd be careful if I were you OP.

mathanxiety · 12/04/2025 05:01

Maybe it's time to accept you'll never get the accountability that you think you need?

I gather that this isn't a happy relationship, and I know from.personal experience how it feels to be blamed and to never get an honest apology (or even a bad faith one tbh).

But if you're not happy, don't wait for someone else to give you closure or any sort of a nod to you that you can move on. Don't give anyone that power over you.

If you have trouble disengaging and becoming unreactive toward the other person, go to therapy and learn to ignore triggers and how to grey rock. One of the most difficult things to learn when you've been in a relationship with someone who DARVOs is how to live completely inside your own head, to be grounded in your own reality, and to stop orbiting around the abuser. Therapy can help.

JustSadAF · 12/04/2025 18:24

@Cryingatthegym

I am so sorry 😔
I feel like this is a subreddit we should be warning people/women about. It's very scary. His behavior has changed even more since he sub'd to it.

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NamechangeJunebaby · 12/04/2025 21:25

I agree we need to let women know about this.

manys years ago I had some MH problems - quite severe depression, I saw a psychiatrist and had two courses of therapy and was much improved. After that my (now ex) H would spend much of the time belittling me trying to convince me I had BPD, was a narcissist, or had bi polar. Several times a week.

He was trying to fuck my head up and cause another breakdown. As Id already unpicked his behaviour with the psychiatrist and councillor, thankfully I could see what was happening. If I hadn’t had access to treatment I’d have been mentally screwed and in a terribly vulnerable position (he didn’t like that I’d started to set boundaries against his often unpleasant manipulative behaviour).

I had no idea there was a savage where men were being encouraged to do this. It’s frightening.

Please stay safe, I’d be quite worried.

Cryingatthegym · 12/04/2025 21:52

Thank you @JustSadAF I left him and life is much better now. He did mess with my head for a very long time though.

Are you ok? How is the rest of your relationship?

Crikeyalmighty · 12/04/2025 23:51

@JustSadAF are you diagnosed bi polar??

JustSadAF · 12/04/2025 23:53

I'm not sure if the sub is about bipolar or borderline, but I am diagnosed with neither. My mom definitely has some elements of both, and he knows it, so I'm wondering if this is his excuse.

What makes things worse is he's a licensed psychologist.

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Crikeyalmighty · 13/04/2025 00:36

@JustSadAF could it be professional interest then? Is he on any other sub reddits?

Anotherparkingthread · 13/04/2025 01:29

I don't think you get to enter other people's support groups online and accuse them of being untrue/dangerous.

Also I've met about 10 people with personality disorders and they were all absolutely fucking awful human beings, the posts ring true in my experience.

Subwaystop · 13/04/2025 01:54

Just looked through some of that subreddit. Sickening. A circle jerk of people calling women mentally ill. One guy lists a whole list of things his woman dared to criticize him, and this “proves” how crazy she is. Lots of applause and upvotes. Men calling women who don’t fall into line for them crazy… the oldest trick in the book.

JustSadAF · 13/04/2025 11:55

It's definitely about me. He only recently joined and we've been fighting a lot. Unfortunately I've only recently learned what DARVO is and that my H checks several of those boxes. He likes to weaponize mental health against me, even though I think I'm relatively well-adjusted, all things considered. I'm not perfect, but I truly think he is just using this forum to try to rationalize his behavior towards me.

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Crikeyalmighty · 13/04/2025 12:14

Got to admit - I would not find this remotely okeither OP -

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 13/04/2025 12:19

JustSadAF · 13/04/2025 11:55

It's definitely about me. He only recently joined and we've been fighting a lot. Unfortunately I've only recently learned what DARVO is and that my H checks several of those boxes. He likes to weaponize mental health against me, even though I think I'm relatively well-adjusted, all things considered. I'm not perfect, but I truly think he is just using this forum to try to rationalize his behavior towards me.

Edited

Frankly if he's doing this, lovely, your mental health won't be okay for long.

Please take care of yourself.

brombatz · 13/04/2025 12:25

^ this...

I would be looking pragmatically at my finances and working out an exit plan.

If he's planning abuse, you can sure plan an escape.

pikkumyy77 · 13/04/2025 12:28

JustSadAF · 13/04/2025 11:55

It's definitely about me. He only recently joined and we've been fighting a lot. Unfortunately I've only recently learned what DARVO is and that my H checks several of those boxes. He likes to weaponize mental health against me, even though I think I'm relatively well-adjusted, all things considered. I'm not perfect, but I truly think he is just using this forum to try to rationalize his behavior towards me.

Edited

Just get out. Once your spouse is your enemy its not safe to stay in the relationship. There is nothing to win and everything to lose.

JustSadAF · 13/04/2025 21:28

@Crikeyalmighty I think this is a reasonable position, generally speaking. And I was never, ever like this in the entire more than 12 years that we've been together. I had zero reason or will and to be frank, it generally would have been something I frowned upon. I'm not saying that finding out this group that he's in is healthy -- in fact I am aware it is quite the opposite.

But when I was a very young adult, just out of highschool, I dated this guy was ultimately just a shit person. I didn't realize it for awhile - I was young, and it was my first serious relationship. He cheated on me, betrayed me, lied, disrespected me (even outside of the cheating) - and he was good at it. Could make anyone believe that he was a saint and I was raging nutjob. After I finally got myself out of that horrible relationship (after a little under 3 years), I vowed never again would I ever let myself get close to someone like that. I wouldn't even entertain it. And I followed through, in the relationship after that. He was actually a good guy and though we had our own problems, he never disrespected me in a serious or continuous way. It happened a couple times, on a minor scale, he apologized and that was that. We didn't work out for other reasons, but it was not a volatile end. We each had respect for each other there are no hard feelings -- we just weren't right for each other.

A very brief fling or two after that, nothing at all serious or even worth mentioning really, then I met who is now my H. We worked at the same place. He swept me off my feet. So kind, seemingly supportive, and stable (or at least the appearance of it). Honestly I should have listened to my gut though in the very beginning and I don't know why I didn't, after what I had been through in my first relationship. When me and H met, he had been long distance dating another woman for ~4 years or so. He seemed sort of unhappy but didn't say much about it. I told myself for this reason, I would not allow him to get close, despite his charms. And then of course the heart often overrides the brain, and I let him get close. He almost physically cheated on her with me -- and looking back, there was definitely emotional infidelity for sure. At the time, I was still relatively young, and I didn't have access to the language/knowledge to understand this concept (my first BF physically cheated on me, and that's what I understood to be cheating).

I guess I haven't included the whole story here with my H, because frankly, it's a novel. But to make a very long story short, we had seemingly been growing apart for awhile I thought, at first, due to ideological/political differences - I didn't realize for a long time it was so much deeper than that. The truth is, he has zero respect for me or my feelings or my opinions when they do not align with his and/or when I have even the tiniest, most microscopic issue with him specifically that I need to address (even if I do so very gently). He acts like my opinions on things make a crazy person (because obviously he's the stable one, yes?). We have had many fights about this that have never resolved and to me its no longer even about specific issues, its simply about respecting me and my feelings about things and how he treats me and he simply cannot seem to take accountability no what happens or how many times we have had these fights. In fact, he DARVOs me (I only recently learned what this meant) - I'm literally always in the wrong no matter what and he is always the victim. When I react emotionally to this kind of treatment, crying but especially when I yell (which honestly is a pretty rare thing, until somewhat recently), he uses this reaction to suggest I'm unstable in some way.

Anyway, the last several months (probably longer to be honest, maybe a year even or more I'm not sure exactly) I've noticed there is this woman at his job he mentions somewhat frequently. At first I didn't think much of it genuinely, after that first jerk I dated, jealousy did not plague me. I have never had an issue with my SOs having women friends. But I noticed during this same time period, things seemed to get progressively worse between us. I felt like he was picking fights. Didn't seem to want to be around me all that much, even in the same house, he'd disappear to a different room for hours without a word (which generally is okay with me, he's an introvert and I get he needs his space sometimes but this was different, I don't know how to articulate it, and it started to get to me a little bit).

Then one day I text him in the morning to ask him to pick some things up from the grocery store on his way home from work, and notice he had not seen my message in hours and it was now his lunch break and I really needed to know if he could pick up the things, so I called him and he did not answer his phone, which was pretty unusual at that time of day. I wanted to make sure he was okay and that I caught him before he left to come home, so I checked his location also to see if maybe he was making a store run on his lunch break (we have each other's locations for safety reasons - I almost never check his and vice versa it has never been a jealousy or control thing). He was at a restaurant, and he had seemingly been there for awhile. He, like most millennials, is never far from his phone, so I thought, why isn't he answering? He calls me back maybe 20 minutes later, on his way back to work. Said he was just at lunch. I didn't ask him any further details. Anyway, this kind of thing happens a few more times in the following weeks, so for the first time in our entire relationship, I start to feel uneasy. Then one day I noticed a text come through on his phone which I was sitting near, and I saw the preview of the text and it was this woman he mentions so much. Not only was it her, but it was specifically a text that said something like "I really enjoy our talks walking in and out of work together, I leave home early just to make sure I can walk in with you". And at that point, honestly, that deep sinking feeling that I had not felt in 19 years, the one that I got so often with that man who was cheating on me, emerges from the deep, dark depths of my repressed psyche. At that point, for me, so many things started falling into place the way he had been picking fights recently, the fact that he would disappear for long stretches of time (even in the same house) without a word and he how would get annoyed when I would ask him to come hang out with me, how he had been recently seemingly more concerned with his appearance, etc (there are several other things I don't have the energy to dive into here).

I confronted him about the woman, and in general about his behavior and treatment towards me. Of course, deny deny deny. I asked him about the text, he acted like I was crazy and "she talks this way to everyone". I told him to pull it up and read it out loud to me. He did and even as he read it, it was obvious that he knew it was objectively suspicious, but he didn't even try to acknowledge that -- he just continued to blame me for feeling upset. Says I just want to make him out to be the enemy, and host of other things. We got into several big fights over the next week, he apologized and acted mildly self-deprecating and conciliatory, but I was still very angry because the apology felt hollow. And then things settled for a bit because my sister was driving several hours to come stay with us for my birthday. After she left, things went right back to him snapping at me for seemingly every little thing without ever taking accountability for anything he has said/done to me. He started acting differently and saying weird things, almost like he was reading from a script or something. He spends a lot of time on reddit and I just knew something was coming from there, and I was just tired of the abuse and feeling gaslighted, so then yes, I did something I'm not proud of and looked at his groups he's in, and found this subreddit, which, by the way, is horrifying for the most part, in my opinion. And I was right, he was saying things that sounded just like these assholes who mock their girlfriends/wives on this sub.

I have never ever done anything like this with him, ever. Nor have I felt the need or desire to. Further, on accident, I also discovered that he is now going incognito every time he uses the browser. I went to use his phone a couple weeks ago because I couldn't find mine - I needed to look up a specific recipe for dinner. I went back to pull up the recipe again a few days ago because it was not saved on my phone, and noticed that the last thing that appears in the browser/searches was my search for that recipe, like 2+ weeks ago. As if he has used the browser for nothing since. Personally, I am an open book I don't hide any of my stuff. He can go through my browser, texts, emails if he wanted to, including looking at this -- none of what I have said out here in the ether are things I have not already tried to address with him, directly. On the other hand, he won't talk to me about hardly anything, but seems to be able to tell strangers on the internet how he has considered leaving me, or how my mind is warped by "all the influencers" I follow.

Wow that was a long walk for a short drink of water. Damn. Apologies to anyone who made it this far.

TLDR though I felt I had little other choice after a lot of things he has recently put me through, I responded in an unhealthy way by looking to see what groups he's in.

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EilishMcCandlish · 13/04/2025 21:50

I haven't looked at the subReddit. I don't need to. You husband is having an affair. Leave him.

Crikeyalmighty · 13/04/2025 22:47

@JustSadAF I did read it all OP - sometimes you just need to get shit off your chest - I’m like that too -all I can say is that he clearly has checked out somewhat and I think now is looking for reasons to ‘justify’ why he is being a shit - hence the Reddit stuff - I would be making plans - don’t think it will work out - you have had a rough ride relationship wise but sound lovely - might be a good time to give yourself some self love and focus on other things that interest you .

AnnaBalfour · 13/04/2025 22:59

Take your leave, it sounds as though it will get much worse.

Cryingatthegym · 13/04/2025 22:59

What you are describing is classic emotional abuse, @JustSadAF. And it sounds like he's cheating on top.

What help do you need to leave him?

PickAChew · 13/04/2025 23:07

If you're waiting until you can prove something to leave him, that will be pointless because it's not necessary. Do it for your own peace of mind before he does make you ill.

JustSadAF · 14/04/2025 08:02

Oh god we got into a massive fight this evening, it was incredibly ugly and frankly he said some pretty unforgivable things. He also didn't deny hiding things like his browser but said it's my fault basically for being nosy (the subreddit I mentioned earlier). I told him people only hide things if they have things to hide -- and then he tries to accuse ME of being unfaithful?!? Literally came out of nowhere (btw I have NEVER been unfaithful to him nor given him any reason to think I would be!!). I told him I have hidden nothing from him and he is absolutely welcome to go through my entire browser history, texts, etc. He DARVO'd me the whole time and when I called him on it, he said "just leave me the fuck alone while you spend all day reading 99 articles about how I'm such a piece of shit". He absolutely REFUSES TO TAKE ANY ACCOUNTABILITY, EVER!

There's lot, lot more to the fight but I am absolutely utterly exhausted and can't rehash it all right now.

I know what I need to do, but I'm so utterly heartbroken despite how he has treated me and to make matters worse, I can't even up and leave right now because I'm currently out of work (in the process of trying to find it). I'm totally financially dependent on him right now, at least for the time being. In the last few weeks I have been a lot more diligent about finding work but unfortunately so far to no avail.

We have been together for almost 13 years and now I'm in my late 30s and going through early menopause and I'll never get all those years back -- I'll never find someone at this point to try to have children with before my body totally craps out. He has been my whole life for so long I don't even know what I am anymore without him, and I know this is what a lot of people say and experience and I know that just need to push through it but right now I am just so utterly shattered.

He has intentionally hurt me in so many ways and it's so much harder when this treatment comes from someone who you thought loved you, and you loved back. I feel so rejected, devalued, disrespected. I stupidly cried in front of him (I've been trying not to but I was just so incredibly hurt I couldn't control it) and all he did was act annoyed and tell me I sound like a crazy person (to be clear I was literally wailing) more specifically, he said I sounded like my 5 year old nephew - basically a way to reduce the very audible manifestion of my heartbreak down to nothing more than a tantrum - once again, complete disrespect.

We also just adopted 2 dogs (we rescued them) a monma and her baby, in late September, after we suddenly lost the first dog we got together, in May of last year (our other dog's passing was extremely hard on both of us - with no children, our pets are our children). Our two current dogs still need a lot of attention and care and if I leave (to be clear I can't right now anyway regardless because of the financial situation), they won't get it. He does love them, but works far enough away to where they will be locked up far too long every day. He's also admittedly not the most vigilant dog dad (we also have a cat).

I don't know. My brain is fried. My head is pounding. And my heart quite literally physically hurts. Just wanted to update you all I guess. I have literally no one to talk to. I'm dealing with this entirely alone.

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thepariscrimefiles · 14/04/2025 09:43

I know that it doesn't feel like it, but it's a good thing that you don't have children with this abusive, gaslighting man as he would use them as weapons to continue the abuse even after you split up/divorce and you would never be free of him.

You need to leave this relationship as soon as possible, as he is dangerous to your mental health and wellbeing.

PickAChew · 14/04/2025 12:51

It's hard but now you know exactly where you stand with him the safest thing you can do is dissociate from him as much as possible. Share none of your inner thoughts with him (because he will use them against you) and put all your energy into getting yourself in a position to leave.

ScabbyHorse · 14/04/2025 16:51

If he isn’t showing you empathy then he’s not good enough to be in a relationship with