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How do you rid your friend of a narcissist abusive arsehole??

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Pleasehelpmybestfriend · 30/03/2025 03:36

How do I help my best friend of 21 years? I’m so sorry this is ridiculously long… PLEASE BEAR WITH.

She’s in an abusive relationship with an absolute degenerate and she won’t leave him. How do I help?

This is after a 10 year marriage with an awful husband who ruined his business (although not intentional), then unplugged from family life, doing nothing in the house or with his child.

He told my friend (before the business failed) she didn’t need to go back to work after their child was born, so she stayed at home.

She found out he’d been having a year long affair 6 years ago. Unfortunately, she forgave him after the affair because of the financial position he’d put her in, by this point his business was done, and she still loved him (get a backbone please). He was initially earning enough to support them both with the business, but then not after it failed, but still not encouraging her to get a job and she did nothing.

Her STBX basically ground her down to nothing. Gaslighting her, lying to her, blaming everything on her, getting angry when he couldn't have any spending money (his wages got paid into her account, because he was basically declared bankrupt after the business failed), he ran up drug debts, they had to pay off the following month, on occasion over £1k!

The OW in the affair stalked her on socials, walked past and waited outside the flat they live in, accosted her on the street and is basically a psycho. Eventually she cooled off after 3 years. He said he’d make more of an effort with everything and he never did and she just accepted it for a while, then they started arguing and he eventually left nearly a year ago.

My friend is now thinking she’s not worth anything. Before she had their child, she had a great job and great prospects. She loves being a mum and was happy to stay off, but I feel this was to her detriment in retrospect. Her STBX didn’t want to deal with anything, so she had a child to rear, a house to run, and bailiffs at the door, all sorts.

After they actually split recently, he got a much nicer place to live, picked up with his bit on the side, introduced her to his son almost immediately and she went on a shag rampage tbh.

As part of the rampage, she met this guy, who it turns out is an absolute wrongun. He’s been gaslighting her, asking her who she is talking to over text, demanding to see her phone, he practically moved in after 3 months because he lives at home with his mum and he's a grown man and obviously dislikes it, so needed his next victim. He's got 4 other kids with two other mums. Gets angry when he’s drunk etc.

She raised a couple of red flags a few weeks in and I said get rid. She gave him the benefit of the doubt, because he'd been cheated on before (didums) but turned out 2 months later, that was a shit decision, she broke up with him, gave all his shit back, got her key back. Yes I think, I tell her he’s bad news etc, she agreed, as they do…

Go to a month or so later they’re back together, he’s going to get help for his issues, etc. Nothing changes. The next time during an argument about the same thing, e.g where have you been, you’ve been shagging my mate, you’re cheating on me, you’ve been longer than normal at work (she’s got a job at her DS school), he shoved her across the kitchen and she hit her head off the cabinet.

Abuse of course, emotional and now physical. She breaks up with him again.
She’s been telling me for weeks they’re done, he’s blocked, yadda yadda, turns out her kid tells me today (after we’d been for lunch and the supposed ex-boyfriend turned up steaming at her flat and I wouldn't let him in) that he’s been there every night last week.

She had been lying to my face all day and even her son (who is 10 btw), had her phone, got a call before he turned up and was saying to my friend, tell her, you have to tell her, as I asked what was going on, she said nothing, he was upset, Her son was telling her to tell me it was him on the phone, so suggests to me she’d asked him to keep it a secret. Awful behaviour.

Her son has also been displaying arsehole tendencies now. I had to tell him off at least 3 times today and she seems like she doesn’t care. Another long story is we think he’s autistic, but she won’t have him tested. Her sister works with SEN kids and she’s convinced. So potentially that explains some of his behavioural issues, but they’ve definitely got worse after this colossal massive wanker cunt has been on the scene.

Tbh this is the shorten version, but I just don’t know what to do. She knows I disapprove and without him turning up today I would have believed her and be none the wiser… Hence I think why she's been lying to me, but getting her child involved is just disgusting.

How can I help build her confidence so she can get away from this colossal waste of space?? Or should I just let her get on with it and get out, so I don’t loose anymore sleep over it.

I’m currently bored of repeating myself, her agreeing with everything I say and then doing the complete opposite and lying to me…I love her so much, but I am just done right now...I don't know how to save her, I know she desperately wants to do better, but she just doesn't have the strength right now, how can I help?

PLEASE HELP ME TO HELP HER

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Maitri108 · 30/03/2025 04:17

I would stop talking about it and just endlessly tell her to contact a domestic abuse organisation. It's very common to get into a series of abusive relationships because you're used to the behaviour and have low self worth.

Ideally she should get therapy and do the Freedom Programme. You can't save her, only she can make the decision to leave and get help.

Pleasehelpmybestfriend · 30/03/2025 04:25

Maitri108 · 30/03/2025 04:17

I would stop talking about it and just endlessly tell her to contact a domestic abuse organisation. It's very common to get into a series of abusive relationships because you're used to the behaviour and have low self worth.

Ideally she should get therapy and do the Freedom Programme. You can't save her, only she can make the decision to leave and get help.

Thank you, she's had therapy before for something else, but she said it didn't help and she's definitely not in a position to pay for it privately right now and the NHS related waiting lists are ridiculously long.

I talked to her about at least recording it with the police, even if she didn't want to press charges, she said she would but she didn't.

I will look into the Freedom Programme though, thank you so much for your reply x

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Maitri108 · 30/03/2025 04:31

Pleasehelpmybestfriend · 30/03/2025 04:25

Thank you, she's had therapy before for something else, but she said it didn't help and she's definitely not in a position to pay for it privately right now and the NHS related waiting lists are ridiculously long.

I talked to her about at least recording it with the police, even if she didn't want to press charges, she said she would but she didn't.

I will look into the Freedom Programme though, thank you so much for your reply x

Some domestic abuse organisations have access to free or low cost therapy. There are also free resources through some charities.

Pleasehelpmybestfriend · 30/03/2025 05:00

Maitri108 · 30/03/2025 04:31

Some domestic abuse organisations have access to free or low cost therapy. There are also free resources through some charities.

Thank you so much, I'll look into this x

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finallydecorating · 30/03/2025 05:07

Just as she can't change his behaviour, neither can you change hers.

All you can do is be there for her when she's ready to leave. But this might take him attacking her to the point it scares her - or worse - or it may not happen at all.

You can try to find out which local domestic abuse organisations have availability and will talk to her while she's still in the relationship - you may find some have massive waiting lists or are only there to support women who are ready to leave / have left.

You can find out which ones are set up to talk to her when she's in the relationship, actually have availability to do this, and then give her the number & email address. That's something practical you can do.

But beyond that, you really can't do much for her except wait for her to be ready to leave, be a consistent friend so she knows you're there for her, and accept she may not leave.

Regarding her child, if you think he's witnessing abuse then you may want to think about involving social services. You can do this through the school / NSPCC if you don't want to talk to them direct. I think NSPCC will give you anonymous advice if you want it.

finallydecorating · 30/03/2025 05:11

Maitri108 · 30/03/2025 04:31

Some domestic abuse organisations have access to free or low cost therapy. There are also free resources through some charities.

This may be very hard to access while she's still in the relationship.

In my town, for example, the organisation that offers this has a waiting list of over a year.

The other organisation doesn't offer counselling until after you've left but they will assign a domestic abuse worker while you're in the relationship, which is a positive step at least.

What is available locally varies between areas, but support can be thin on the ground given the high number of cases and underfunding of the sector.

Definitely worth looking into but just to manage your expectations a bit.

Maitri108 · 30/03/2025 05:31

finallydecorating · 30/03/2025 05:11

This may be very hard to access while she's still in the relationship.

In my town, for example, the organisation that offers this has a waiting list of over a year.

The other organisation doesn't offer counselling until after you've left but they will assign a domestic abuse worker while you're in the relationship, which is a positive step at least.

What is available locally varies between areas, but support can be thin on the ground given the high number of cases and underfunding of the sector.

Definitely worth looking into but just to manage your expectations a bit.

Edited

It depends on the organisation. For example the Women's Trust and W&G Network offer free counselling to women who are suffering or have suffered DV in London.

If a domestic abuse organisation cannot offer counselling they may signpost to other organisations. I was really thinking of specialist counselling to help her from choosing abusive men.

Never2many · 30/03/2025 05:44

I find it hard to sympathise with women like this who knowingly allow abusers into their’s and their kids’ lives.

It’s one thing being in an abusive marriage, often the abuse happens over time, and once there are children in the mix it becomes harder to leave.

But she’s moved a stranger into her child’s home within five minutes, she claims that she’s leaving him and then she doesn’t. She lies about being with him, and in the meantime even her child is picking up on the abuse.

In situations like this women need to take responsibility for their own decisions. We can’t keep brushing it off by saying they have low self esteem, etc. If she’s recognising the abuse, is still with him, is putting her child at risk, and is lying about it then she’s making a conscious choice, and there’s nothing you can do about it.

She’s just another one of these selfish women who is putting cock before kids, and personally I would wash my hands of her.

TacCat49 · 30/03/2025 05:45

She is very lucky to have a supportive friend like you BUT you cannot help her. Some people just thrive on the drama. She needs to attend counseling. Also, are you in the position to call the police/social services.

BlondiePortz · 30/03/2025 05:53

Some people deliberately ignore the red flags you can't force her to wake up that is on her

Happyinarcon · 30/03/2025 06:02

Get her a book to read about DV. I always suggest the Verbally Abusive Relationship because it’s an easy read and it sums up the manipulative dynamic very well. Once you see the patterns behind the abuse it’s much easier to walk

PriscillaQueen · 30/03/2025 07:32

I would be most concerned for the child. He has no power in this dynamic. He’s in very real danger. And as he is displaying new behaviours, he is likely distressed. Sometimes autistic people, “act out” when they are distressed due to not being able to manage their emotions adequately. He’s also at risk of being physically harmed as this man is already putting his hands on your friend. What would happen if he started beating your friend and the little boy tried to intervene? I would be calling social services and reporting what’s happening in a bid to protect the little boy. Your friend is not protecting her child, please make sure someone knows this child is at risk. You can report this anonymously if you prefer but report it.

ButchCassidysSundanceKid · 30/03/2025 08:24

Unfortunately I think you've done all you can, and she's not currently willing to listen to you. I have a similar situation with a friend in an inappropriate relationship. Not abusive in her case, but the guy she's seeing is a waste of space, drug user, still lives with his mum in his late 30s, always been drunk or high every time I've met him. Cock lodges at her house regularly for days at a time. She cried to me repeatedly about it for over a year, then 6 months ago claimed she'd ended it. We met up recently and it transpires she'd lied and was still seeing him, and wanted to drain my energy talking about it for the hundredth time. And honestly I'm so sick of having the same conversation that I bluntly told her I wasn't engaging the conversation further.

I suggest you take a similar stance with your friend, tell her you're upset she's lied to you and that you maintain your stance that she needs to leave, but don't engage further. As PPs have said, this isn't a marriage or committed relationship in which she's gradually been ground down by escalating abuse. It's happened immediately and she has zero reason to remain in the situation - she's making an active choice to do so. Is alcohol involved? In my friend's case that's part of the issue - she'll go back to her arsehole shag piece whenever she's had a drink. Given that there is a child involved, I would seriously consider either flagging your concerns with her family or making an anonymous report to social services.

Itssofunny · 30/03/2025 08:24

Never2many · 30/03/2025 05:44

I find it hard to sympathise with women like this who knowingly allow abusers into their’s and their kids’ lives.

It’s one thing being in an abusive marriage, often the abuse happens over time, and once there are children in the mix it becomes harder to leave.

But she’s moved a stranger into her child’s home within five minutes, she claims that she’s leaving him and then she doesn’t. She lies about being with him, and in the meantime even her child is picking up on the abuse.

In situations like this women need to take responsibility for their own decisions. We can’t keep brushing it off by saying they have low self esteem, etc. If she’s recognising the abuse, is still with him, is putting her child at risk, and is lying about it then she’s making a conscious choice, and there’s nothing you can do about it.

She’s just another one of these selfish women who is putting cock before kids, and personally I would wash my hands of her.

Completely agree.

Mindyourfunkybusiness · 30/03/2025 08:31

I'd try one last approach or wash hands if it's too hard.
Just big her up. Not over supportive. Don't pander.
Just basic "omg he did what?!?! Nah better people out there, you deserve better than that, you're a queen" remind her of her amazing strengths, remind her of the person she used to be. Maybe that would work.
I wouldn't go far into pandering just statements and move onto different subject. Make sure she understands his behaviour is wrong. Nothing to discuss there. That she deserves better - which she does, no room for extra discussion. Better men out there - fact. She's a queen and tolerating so much, she's strong, but why drag around the dead wood - fact. And move on with the convo. Idk, maybe reminding and building that self esteem as factually and without going into essays and deep discussions might give her some strength.
If she still wants to be in that's position or yeah buts - oh well, you have your life op.

Pleasehelpmybestfriend · 30/03/2025 11:36

Thank you all for your messages. I am beyond frustrated with her and her allowing this situation to continue.

I've not spoken to her since I left yesterday, but I will call her today.

I've really tried to be supportive, but I'm really struggling now. How many conversations can you have with someone when they agree with everything you're saying and you think there's light at the end of the tunnel and then they do the opposite and lie to your face.

Thank you for the book recommendation, I'll look that up.

Yesterday during my visit I was bigging her up, trying to find things she could do to help get her confidence back. I said she deserves better and she agreed. Then he rocked up 10 minutes later....

I'll hang in there for now I think, but I'll need her to be honest with me on the full scale of what's going on.

Thank you all for your replies and advice, much appreciated

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Pleasehelpmybestfriend · 10/04/2025 01:26

How do you think this sounds? Is it too much? It's long sorry...

Here we go. I've had time to think.

So it's obvious to me that this relationship, less than a year long, with someone who has the capacity to be abusive, who has been abusive, verbally and physically means more to you than our 20+ year friendship. Obvious because of the lies you've told me, the fact you've taken him back twice and the minimising of his behaviour. Which is a classic symptom of people being abused by a narcissist, who don't want to believe it. You deserve so much more.

I have stood by you through everything, I've offered help and advice, I've helped you willingly, we've had so many good times, so much fun, so many in jokes and so many happy days, so many happy memories.

As I've said above I've supported you and stood by you even if I've not agreed with your decision, but I absolutely cannot get on board with this. This relationship is not healthy, it's not what you need. You need a good man who can build you up not tear you down further.

Three instances of controlling and abusive behaviour and two breakups is not a good start to a relationship. These are real red flags.

I know you won't change your mind and I'm clear now where I stand. I'm bitterly disappointed and incredibly sad, but I also need to look after myself.

I love you very much and I always will, but your decision has been made in my eyes. I really hope you find your self esteem and self worth in time. I don't think being with him will help in any way.

I'm always here if you need me, but I do not and will not agree with this relationship.

I do not want to hear his name, I do not want to see his face, I will never accept him, he will never be welcome in my home, he will never be invited to anything I arrange, I will never attend anything he is attending.

The only reason I ever want to hear about him is if he hurts you again, or if you finally see sense and actually leave him for good. I know you will be hesitant to tell me of any further bad behaviour, but please don't hesitate, I will always be here for you, despite my obvious, but understandable dislike for him.

So it's up to you now how we move forward. If you're willing to accept my terms and have any love for me and our friendship then that's great and we can move forward on that basis.

If not then I will take this as goodbye. I will obviously be devastated, but life changes, people move on. I will be sad to never see you reach your potential and for you to be truly happy xx

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Itssofunny · 10/04/2025 07:37

I think sending it would help you and, who knows, it might help your friend as well. Be prepared for her not to listen, though.

It all around reasonable apart from the very first line "So it's obvious to me that this relationship, less than a year long, with someone who has the capacity to be abusive, who has been abusive, verbally and physically means more to you than our 20+ year friendship".

It makes it sound like a competition between you and this man, which I think might make your friend dismiss everything else you are saying.

I would just keep it simple, saying "it seems you are set on this relationship with someone who has the capacity to be verbally and physically abusive" and carry on from there.

turnips4u · 10/04/2025 07:42

Never2many · 30/03/2025 05:44

I find it hard to sympathise with women like this who knowingly allow abusers into their’s and their kids’ lives.

It’s one thing being in an abusive marriage, often the abuse happens over time, and once there are children in the mix it becomes harder to leave.

But she’s moved a stranger into her child’s home within five minutes, she claims that she’s leaving him and then she doesn’t. She lies about being with him, and in the meantime even her child is picking up on the abuse.

In situations like this women need to take responsibility for their own decisions. We can’t keep brushing it off by saying they have low self esteem, etc. If she’s recognising the abuse, is still with him, is putting her child at risk, and is lying about it then she’s making a conscious choice, and there’s nothing you can do about it.

She’s just another one of these selfish women who is putting cock before kids, and personally I would wash my hands of her.

Well said.

Misspotterer · 10/04/2025 07:48

I think I would contact social services actually. Her son is at risk. This man has already assaulted her and she's invited this him into her child's home. She doesn't sound capable of keeping him safe and she's certainly not capable of putting her child first. I wouldn't be able to stay friends with her. At some point we adults have to take responsibility for the decisions we make regardless of our past traumas.

GeorgianaM · 10/04/2025 08:57

The last thing she needs is a controlling friend.

Tell her once and once only that help is out there if she needs it because you're done with watching her and her children suffer the abuse of her partner.

As already it's cock before kids so it's highly unlikely she wants to get rid of him but at least you've god her that you want no part of it.

GCAcademic · 10/04/2025 09:03

Itssofunny · 10/04/2025 07:37

I think sending it would help you and, who knows, it might help your friend as well. Be prepared for her not to listen, though.

It all around reasonable apart from the very first line "So it's obvious to me that this relationship, less than a year long, with someone who has the capacity to be abusive, who has been abusive, verbally and physically means more to you than our 20+ year friendship".

It makes it sound like a competition between you and this man, which I think might make your friend dismiss everything else you are saying.

I would just keep it simple, saying "it seems you are set on this relationship with someone who has the capacity to be verbally and physically abusive" and carry on from there.

I agree with this. I also think you need to make it less about you and spell out the effect on her son of moving an abusive man into his home.

Pleasehelpmybestfriend · 10/04/2025 09:13

Itssofunny · 10/04/2025 07:37

I think sending it would help you and, who knows, it might help your friend as well. Be prepared for her not to listen, though.

It all around reasonable apart from the very first line "So it's obvious to me that this relationship, less than a year long, with someone who has the capacity to be abusive, who has been abusive, verbally and physically means more to you than our 20+ year friendship".

It makes it sound like a competition between you and this man, which I think might make your friend dismiss everything else you are saying.

I would just keep it simple, saying "it seems you are set on this relationship with someone who has the capacity to be verbally and physically abusive" and carry on from there.

Thank you, makes sense

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Pleasehelpmybestfriend · 10/04/2025 09:15

Misspotterer · 10/04/2025 07:48

I think I would contact social services actually. Her son is at risk. This man has already assaulted her and she's invited this him into her child's home. She doesn't sound capable of keeping him safe and she's certainly not capable of putting her child first. I wouldn't be able to stay friends with her. At some point we adults have to take responsibility for the decisions we make regardless of our past traumas.

I've said to her about her son, she said he wasn't ever there when any of this went on and that he's great with her son. I mean she wouldn't tell me anything else thou would she

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Pleasehelpmybestfriend · 10/04/2025 09:18

GeorgianaM · 10/04/2025 08:57

The last thing she needs is a controlling friend.

Tell her once and once only that help is out there if she needs it because you're done with watching her and her children suffer the abuse of her partner.

As already it's cock before kids so it's highly unlikely she wants to get rid of him but at least you've god her that you want no part of it.

Thank you for this, I guess I am trying to coerce her but not for the same reason as him. You're right though, I'll be more direct and say I'm here but I'm not interested in this situation

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