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Not sure what to do about my ex :-(

18 replies

BookLoverBham · 27/03/2025 11:22

Background, we were both just separated from our ex husband/wife when we started our relationship, we had been work colleagues and friends for a number of years and supported each other through the breakups which turned into a serious relationship after a few months.
We both lived in different cities, but as we worked together and traveling we would spend all week together and mainly apart at weekends. To begin with my ex was very open about talking to want to live together in the future. But after 18 months when decisions about my job and relocating came up he had just bought his own place in his city. When I offered to move to his city (not living together) it became clear that wasn’t what he wanted right then, and I realised he had completely closed down about any future plans, apart from saying he wanted the relationship to last, the how the where etc he would never mention. I moved elsewhere and we no longer had the opportunity to see each other all week. It ended up being me who travelled if I could in the week to meet him and went to his city on weekends but he always had plans with his friends & family (as he was away all week) which I would ask me to go too – but many were boys nights. I wasn’t settling into my new job, new city and the change in not seeing my friends & him etc, he was becoming more avoidant. And we recognised our relationship styles of me being an anxious attachment and he being an avoidant were impacting our communication and leading to large blow up arguments.
I went to seek help and was diagnosed with anxiety and depression. Started medication and therapy. But the relationship ended, my ex felt we both needed to work on ourselves and we weren’t prioritising that whilst being together. His avoidance was not just about relationships with me, it had impacted his previous marriage he couldn’t even think of the future in terms of booking a holiday etc, in the beginning he seemed to be doing a lot of working of identifying his underlying emotional issues and where these had come from in his childhood.
To begin with I asked for no contact, my mental health was in tatters and I could not believe he was walking away when I needed him and at the time I felt that there were just say 4 large arguments. However in time I do realise that the arguments had more de rooted causes, my anxiety telling me if he really loved me he would commit and it was me not being right, rather than this being a deep rooted issue in himself that he has to work out why the future scares him.
No contact was hard and he would message a couple of times a week still. It then moved to agreeing to catch up at set times. He started messaging more. We met up after two months and spent the night together. Since then we meet up every few weeks and we always end up together. He messages and calls me (I always leave him to instigate) 90% as much as he did when we were together, good morning, during the day, evening calls, message throughout the eve and good night messages.
When I saw him last week I asked about where he saw this going, I have never given up hope that we would some way find our way back together, I am in a much better place than 6 months ago. I have done a lot of work on my mental health and understand that my anxiety was fuelling unproductive behaviour in our relationship, that I had lost myself and any boundaries – I am still very much a WIP but have massively improved. His response was not what I had expected, he still does not want a relationship with me, he says you never know what will happen in the future but he doesn’t want me to waste time waiting for him to resolve himself and be ready. If I find someone he would be happy for me.
I don’t know what to do, I don’t understand how we can maintain so much contact, daily and it not be either a relationship or working back towards one. He believes it doesn’t have to be all or nothing and we could be friends, but the level of contact for me is far beyond a friendship with an ex partner. And it isn’t lessoning, it has been increasing.
I am getting on with my life, building a new life in my new city, building a support network that isn’t him, I am in the progress of buying a property, I am not sat waiting but I also wonder if the friendship has some detrimental impacts. I find myself wondering or worrying about him meeting someone else, how will it feel, will he tell me or will he just start limiting contact. How will I cope knowing that he said it wasn’t about me it was about him not being able to cope with a long term relationship but then moving onto that with someone else.
Countless times I have mentioned limiting the contact, but it always builds back up. I don’t understand why he wants to have so much contact with me, be with me physically when we are together but not want a relationship or at least to be working towards it.
Am I the one that is wrong by just not accepting that it is over and it’s a friendship and we wont be together. That there is nothing wrong with him wanting me in his life, the level of contact but only as a friend. Or is this strange and I am right for feeling confused by his actions vs what he tells me. Any advice?

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Thelnebriati · 27/03/2025 11:36

When someone ignores your boundaries and behaves towards you in a way that leaves you feeling confused and doubting yourself, you are in a toxic relationship. There is nothing friendly about what he is doing.

Put a stop to all of this, block him everywhere, and concentrate on moving forwards. It will be hard at first, but not as hard as living with the constant hope.

Sodthesystem · 27/03/2025 11:45

Whatever dickhead transferred attachment styles from the study on todlers to something actually relevant to adults deserves a kicking imo.

Avoidant attachment style when people bring it I on here is just: emotionally abusive cunt. 95 percent of the time.

Do you even want to be friends with this guy? He sounds a bit of a headwrecking knob tbh.

Shouldn't you actually LIKE your friends?
As opposed to just having history and being toxically attached with.

Did you really 'lose yourself and your boundaries' when with him, or, did he take them from you? Just like he's trying to do again.

Would you fuck about with his emotions if the roles were reversed.

Tell him to jog on. Don't undo all the work you've done.

TheWolfHouse · 27/03/2025 12:01

I don’t think he’s done anything massively wrong. He just wants something different to you. Just because he was open about talking about the possibility of living together early on in the relationship doesn’t mean he should be held to that. It wasn’t like he was promising you anything. You were giving more to the relationship and wanting more than he did. You weren’t wrong to do this but neither was he wrong not to want it. You mention that it was always you visiting him and that when you did he often had plans with family or friends. Presumably you were ok with this otherwise why would you continue to do it?

There is nothing wrong with you but I don’t think there is anything wrong with him either. I don’t think his actions are confusing. He is consistent in how he behaves. It suits him. He isn’t lying to you and he’s not being nasty to you. If it doesn’t suit you then you can stop contact with him. It’s up to you. You need to work out what you want and be less passive.

EuclidianGeometryFan · 27/03/2025 12:08

I don’t understand why he wants to have so much contact with me, be with me physically when we are together but not want a relationship or at least to be working towards it.

Because he likes having sex available.
That's it.
Men like sex, and if they can get it, they usually will.
You are available, so he has sex with you.

For your own sake, please end this and block him everywhere.

Itslookinglikeabeautifulday · 27/03/2025 12:19

Don’t waste your time trying to understand his actions or figure out who is right or wrong in this “friendship”. What matters is that it is clearly not making you happy - understandably, given his mixed messages. So you can either carry on like this = probable long-term unhappiness with someone who doesn’t really value you. Or you can end this for good and move on = short-term unhappiness then the possibility of meeting someone who does really value you and wants the same level of commitment as you. You are worth more than this man is offering. Find a man who knows this.

DiscontinuedModelHusband · 27/03/2025 12:22

EuclidianGeometryFan · 27/03/2025 12:08

I don’t understand why he wants to have so much contact with me, be with me physically when we are together but not want a relationship or at least to be working towards it.

Because he likes having sex available.
That's it.
Men like sex, and if they can get it, they usually will.
You are available, so he has sex with you.

For your own sake, please end this and block him everywhere.

this is basically it.

he's getting exactly what he wants from you.
all the good parts of a relationship, but none of the responsibilities.

he's free to cut and run if/when he finds someone he thinks is better.

you are worth more.

he's shown you he's happy to ramp up the contact if it keeps getting him attention/getting him laid, but still keeping you at arms length for anything serious.

you'll need to do the cutting off and blocking, because he doesn't appear to have any intention of giving you more than this.

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 27/03/2025 12:22

Stop sleeping with him.

you have turned yourself into a fwb, you are no longer dating him.

it didn't work out so it's over.

now think about yourself and start dating other people.

Garlicgarlicgarlic · 27/03/2025 12:25

Never lower yourself by analysing a man. The only reason to be in a relationship is for it to massively enhance your life and make it easier and fun. That's it.

Forget this man, he's irrelevant, delete his number and enjoy life.

TammyJones · 27/03/2025 12:35

The minute he changed his mind about you both living in the same city, it would have been over for me - his loss.
He's a commitment phobic- don’t let him dress it up any other way.
he’s using you now.
Dump and block.

RightThenFred · 27/03/2025 12:39

It's obviously not "a friendship". Like a PP said, he's a headwrecker. I don't know why men kid themselves (or try to kid women) that all the things you describe can be called "a friendship" just because they want to call it that (which is because they want to keep their options open). It's not you - stop beating yourself up and wondering if you're supposed to reach a level of nirvana where you magically understand how he was right to treat you this way.

supercali77 · 27/03/2025 12:57

Read the book 'Mr unavailable and the fallback girl'. He neither let's you go nor goes all in. It's not uncommon and he'll drive you to therapy trying to understand it. The only reason you're having difficulty isn't that there's something wrong with the way you relate but that you haven't closed the door on this man because he's not fit for a relationship

RightThenFred · 27/03/2025 13:05

supercali77 · 27/03/2025 12:57

Read the book 'Mr unavailable and the fallback girl'. He neither let's you go nor goes all in. It's not uncommon and he'll drive you to therapy trying to understand it. The only reason you're having difficulty isn't that there's something wrong with the way you relate but that you haven't closed the door on this man because he's not fit for a relationship

Good recommendation - here are some quotes to start you off: www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/14358763-mr-unavailable-and-the-fallback-girl

TheWolfHouse · 27/03/2025 13:17

@TammyJones
He's a commitment phobic- don't let him dress it up any other way.

He isn’t dressing it up as anything though and people are allowed to want to be in casual relationships with no commitment. It suits some people. He’s not leading her on or lying to her. He likes it how it is and the OP is choosing to go along with it. It’s her choice. If she doesn’t want a fwb type then she needs to stop sleeping with him. Posters are talking about the OP as though she is helpless and has no choice about what she does but she isn’t.

TwistedWonder · 27/03/2025 13:37

He’s having his cake and eating it. You’re a convenient shag when it suits him and so he won’t stop contact as the set up works for him.

BookLoverBham · 27/03/2025 15:29

Thanks for the replies. For people noting its a fwb relationship and that's he not dressing up or lying, your right he isn't. I think it's just hard to understand after spending 2.5 years in a relationship with someone, that the same level of communication etc now means only a causal fwb thing when it wasn't before.

Yes there were signs of commitment fears a long the way but it was a 2.5 year relationship which felt very committed in other spending a lot of time together, going on holiday with our families, spending Christmas together etc

I get people change what they want and he has every right to and is being honest. I'm just allowed to be so confused by it all amd why he still wants so much contact. But yes I am also in control if I walk away.

Thank you for everyone's advice.

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Summerhillsquare · 27/03/2025 15:53

All this therapy language is not helping you. He just wants convenient shags and has treated you badly. You're upset about it, but have continued to suffer his manipulation. Dump him, block, find other things to do with your life.

TheWolfHouse · 27/03/2025 19:07

OP, you have every right to feel dissapointed with how this has turned out and no one is saying it’s easy to break off contact with someone that you have had such strong feelings for. Maybe if you had stood back and really thought about it it would have been clear what was happening but that’s not how life works. Lots of people just muddle along without examining their relationships. I’ve done that in the past especially when I was younger.

GeorgeMichaelsCat · 29/03/2025 07:38

EuclidianGeometryFan · 27/03/2025 12:08

I don’t understand why he wants to have so much contact with me, be with me physically when we are together but not want a relationship or at least to be working towards it.

Because he likes having sex available.
That's it.
Men like sex, and if they can get it, they usually will.
You are available, so he has sex with you.

For your own sake, please end this and block him everywhere.

Exactly this. Stop sleeping with him and he won't contact you anymore.

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