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Arguing with husband

27 replies

5en5uou5 · 25/03/2025 20:55

I’m currently ill, which is a know ‘trigger’ for my husband who struggles with empathy. He’d planned to go out with a friend today, but when I asked if he might stay in with me to help with our child, it all blew up. Some of the things he said to me included:

I love my parents to the exclusion of him (and everyone else) - I love them dearly, we have a great relationship which he doesn’t with his. Plus, one of my parents is dead, which particularly stung.

He only loves me ‘some of the time’, and since having our child ‘it’s like living with a stranger’. I had a very tricky pregnancy, birth and depression after the one-year mark, so I appreciate I’m not always sunshine and rainbows. I just don’t know what to make of this.

That I don’t need him home when I’m ill - ‘It’s just a virus for God’s sake, get on with it.’ This is not the first time he’s said this.

He said, ‘I’m sorry this isn’t going the way you’d like’ when I got upset during our argument, then, ‘Maybe you need to listen to how I feel…’ as a follow-up (I do listen to him - he very seldom shares his feelings anyway)

That I've ‘ruined’ his day out, ‘just like you always do’ - he says he never goes out, but has done three times in the last week (albeit after child is in bed). When I mentioned this, he replied, ‘There’s nothing stopping you from going out, go out with your friends - if they don’t want to see you or you they, that’s not my fucking fault’.

He has such an aggressive and nasty argument ‘style’, but doesn’t recognise this in himself. I’m scared it’s going to rub off on our child when they’re older and I’m just exhausted. He says I’m the problem, and I know I’m not perfect. But I don’t think I’m that much of a sh*t wife overall - I’m the breadwinner, primary carer for our child, and I do all of the life admin etc.

I don’t know what I want from this post, really. Perhaps just to vent. I think I want to leave him but our housing is quite tricky at the moment, and whichever way I move, I’ll be skint. It’s all just a big mess.

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Cognacsoft · 25/03/2025 20:59

In your shoes if you want to leave could you live temporarily with your parent.
Your dh sounds selfish.

DesperateDenise · 25/03/2025 20:59

Well he is a really nasty piece of work OP.
I honestly think you should be exploring your options for leaving him.

5en5uou5 · 25/03/2025 21:04

Thanks @Cognacsoft@DesperateDenise. I’ve been doubting myself for some time now, and I don’t really have friends I can share this with - my best friend dislikes him and finds it hard to entertain mention of him, so I don’t share much with her any more.

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SapphireOpal · 25/03/2025 21:07

5en5uou5 · 25/03/2025 21:04

Thanks @Cognacsoft@DesperateDenise. I’ve been doubting myself for some time now, and I don’t really have friends I can share this with - my best friend dislikes him and finds it hard to entertain mention of him, so I don’t share much with her any more.

Then she'd probably be bloody delighted to find out you're thinking of leaving him. I'm not surprised she doesn't like him given his behaviour...!

DearBee · 25/03/2025 21:09

If you're the breadwinner, primary carer for your child and do most of the life admin... what does he bring to the table?

5en5uou5 · 25/03/2025 21:09

You’re right @SapphireOpal! I’ve got her hopes up a couple of times before, and she’s always been disappointed - but still supportive - when I’ve backed out. I think I’m going to need her on side more than ever now.

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5en5uou5 · 25/03/2025 21:10

DearBee · 25/03/2025 21:09

If you're the breadwinner, primary carer for your child and do most of the life admin... what does he bring to the table?

I don’t know. I honestly think if he were asked the same question he’d be able to reel off lots of ‘things’. But 90% of everything is done by me
and I’m exhausted.

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Kdubs1981 · 25/03/2025 21:13

Just leave. Life is too short and he sounds like a deeply unpleasant man who doesn’t love you or appreciate your life together and everything you do. Work out a way to do it. You don’t need him. Even if. It right now, start thinking about it

5en5uou5 · 25/03/2025 21:17

Thank you @Kdubs1981. Life is too short to be feeling this way, especially with a child to think of.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 25/03/2025 21:17

How can you be helped into leaving your abuser?. Your child cannot grow up seeing this abusive relationship as their potential norm too.

Would you be both willing and able to contact Womens Aid?. Contacting some Solicitors near you could also help as knowledge here is power.

Your friend will be no doubt pleased that you’ve finally decided to leave him. You need a friend like that in your life.

gamerchick · 25/03/2025 21:18

5en5uou5 · 25/03/2025 21:10

I don’t know. I honestly think if he were asked the same question he’d be able to reel off lots of ‘things’. But 90% of everything is done by me
and I’m exhausted.

So if you do it all anyway, how will you be skint?

Theres little holding you back. Recruit the friend, tell her you want to leave him
She'll probably will pull out all the stops to help.

5en5uou5 · 25/03/2025 21:21

@AttilaTheMeerkatthank you for the reality check. I’m going to be contacting a couple of solicitors to explore options soon - I’m more worried about custody of our child than anything else. I’ll also look into Women’s Aid. Never thought I’d be in this position, but here we are…

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5en5uou5 · 25/03/2025 21:22

Thanks @gamerchick. The issue lies in our family home - we can’t sell currently and our childcare fees are sky high. Separating will be incredibly costly, but I’m going to consider ways around this and enlist the support of my friend when the time is right.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 25/03/2025 21:26

OP

Find a solicitor you can work with asap.

He’s not going to make any aspect of separation and or divorce at all easy and could well use his child against you here. He could demand 50-50 for instance or be obstructive re child support. He will remain just as abusive post divorce too. This us who he really is.

Be prepared and do not enter any form of mediation with him. He will continue his own private based war with you.

tsmainsqueeze · 25/03/2025 21:27

5en5uou5 · 25/03/2025 21:21

@AttilaTheMeerkatthank you for the reality check. I’m going to be contacting a couple of solicitors to explore options soon - I’m more worried about custody of our child than anything else. I’ll also look into Women’s Aid. Never thought I’d be in this position, but here we are…

I doubt that custody will be much of an issue with a man like this.
You deserve so much more than this , start planning your new life now ,let your only regret be that you didn't do it sooner ,don't let the years pass you by and your regret be that you never did it.

5en5uou5 · 25/03/2025 21:38

Custody is a real concern @AttilaTheMeerkat, especially as - financially - I would have to move in with a parent an hour or so away. I’m terrified he’ll be obstructive in this, so you’re right - I need to get advice asap.

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Maitri108 · 25/03/2025 21:40

It sounds like he's unhappy and I wouldn't immediately divorce him over a row.

What is the problem with your parents? Do you always side with them or are they interfering?

Have you been depressed since the birth of your child? What does he mean by it's like living with a stranger?

5en5uou5 · 25/03/2025 21:51

This is the latest in a long string of arguments @Maitri108

He apparently seems to dislike my parents because we have (/had) a close relationship - he was left to fend for himself from 15, and has a very strained relationship with his parents which he perceives as ‘normal’. My parents have always been supportive and caring, but not interfering in my eyes, but potentially in his. He’s becoming increasingly cold towards my remaining parent, which I find very difficult and which he will not acknowledge.

I have been depressed since baby was about 11 months old, and am working hard to bring myself back from it, but it’s tough. I get very little support - from time to time, he’ll ask how I am and then that’s it. He doesn’t seem particularly bothered about how I feel a lot of the time.

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LittleGreenDragons · 25/03/2025 21:54

Far better to be skint than abused. Far better to live in a smaller house than be abused. Far better to live in a different location than be abused. And he is emotionally abusing you OP.

https://www.relate.org.uk/get-help/emotional-abuse

Have a one off consultation with a solicitor to know your rights. Take copies of all paperwork. Talk to family and friends and see if any can help, either practically (storing boxes, moving boxes etc) or as someone to talk to.

Emotional abuse | Relate

Most people know what physical abuse is, but when it comes to emotional abuse, people tend to think there’s much more of a ‘grey area’.

https://www.relate.org.uk/get-help/emotional-abuse

outerspacepotato · 25/03/2025 21:56

You being ill means he has to do something he doesn't want to, like parent for a bit.

That's not a trigger, that's just being an asshole.

You are the financial provider, the main parent, and he's an angry asshole. He doesn't even love you. Why would you stay in this relationship?

theansweris42 · 25/03/2025 21:58

Hi OP, this isn't just a row (reference maitri's post)....it's emotional and psychological abuse. He will not change. His behaviour is unacceptable.
You can leave, you really can. Esp if you have a parent to stay with?
Glad you are thinking and gathering information.
You will get loads of good advice. I'm sending support.
And suggesting that you try to create emotional distance from him (inside your own mind) and present a calm 'normal' exterior and tell him nothing.

Maitri108 · 25/03/2025 22:03

theansweris42 · 25/03/2025 21:58

Hi OP, this isn't just a row (reference maitri's post)....it's emotional and psychological abuse. He will not change. His behaviour is unacceptable.
You can leave, you really can. Esp if you have a parent to stay with?
Glad you are thinking and gathering information.
You will get loads of good advice. I'm sending support.
And suggesting that you try to create emotional distance from him (inside your own mind) and present a calm 'normal' exterior and tell him nothing.

Edited

Could you point out the pattern of abuse, please educate me.

TheObligingSwan · 25/03/2025 22:08

Maitri108 · 25/03/2025 21:40

It sounds like he's unhappy and I wouldn't immediately divorce him over a row.

What is the problem with your parents? Do you always side with them or are they interfering?

Have you been depressed since the birth of your child? What does he mean by it's like living with a stranger?

You think how he speaks to his wife is acceptable?

Maitri108 · 25/03/2025 22:10

TheObligingSwan · 25/03/2025 22:08

You think how he speaks to his wife is acceptable?

I think he was being a bit of a dick during a row. Lots of people are.

5en5uou5 · 26/03/2025 05:56

This has been ongoing for years @Maitri108. Previously, he’s left me when bedridden with COVID to look after our baby while he went out (‘you’ve only got a virus, you’re fine.’) He’s convinced I have autism, and points out any behaviours he doesn’t like/appreciate as ‘weird’. He has a horrible, mean tone when arguing and almost goes dead behind the eyes. He has repeatedly asked in anger what is ‘wrong’ with me. None of these are one-offs and I’m at the end of my tether.

He may be acting like a dick, but sadly this isn’t a one-off.

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