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Both overly independent & find it hard to work as a partnership

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Klemmimg · 16/03/2025 18:42

I lived alone 3x longer than DP ever did post divorces but we both in our 40’s and together for 5 years and struggling with merging our lives together. We love each other very much and I think of us as a strong equal partnership generally, but living together has shone a light on all of our differences.

It’s ok for people to be different and have different strengths in my eyes. He is very creative and takes his time getting something right, I just want things done and over with, rather than lingering, so I will power through and not give up. This means we are VERY different when it comes to living together and it’s causing friction.

I am the do-now and he is the do-later. This causes friction when he sees me doing things he isn’t doing, and tells me to do it later, and I say I’m doing it now to save time tomorrow. I don’t understand why you choose to let jobs build up so they are much bigger another day. He wants to make everything a tomorrow problem, problem is, tomorrow never comes so it will just all build up. He wants us to just sit and relax every evening together.

DP has always been very much into his own systems of tidying up etc, basically to me it looks like absolute chaos, he never finishes what he has started and starts new projects and piles and he is always flying by the seat of his pants - he gets by, functionally, but it’s always a bit stressful and chaotic. He does DO stuff, he isn’t lazy, and he isn’t expecting me to do it (the opposite he rejects help) he cleans, cooks and does loads of laundry but it’s always chaos. You can’t tell what’s dirty or what’s clean, he just has so much stuff and never seems to empty a pocket into a bin, he will just empty them all onto a side and then leave it there. He is the ‘have you seen this tiny screw I was saving’ guy.

The kicker is - he finds it very hard to accept my help with things, as he gets all sensitive that I am judging him or interfering with his bloody piles of stuff. He wants me to adopt his method of just leaving it for later. I don’t want to cook a meal with his piles of crap hanging around so I will move them if he doesn’t. I am not asking him to adopt my way of doing it all now, but leave me alone to just get on with what I want to do or just put his stuff away? If it’s important, put it somewhere you will remember it? If we end up doing a house clean together, he complains I ask him too many questions and make him feel stressed - basically I have to ask him about all the piles of shit he has whether it’s to keep or for the bin.

I want a nice house, we spent a lot of money on it and I just want us to work as a team. I don’t know how best to communicate with him. Frankly I think he he may have a bit of a hoarding problem brewing and this worries me a lot

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HenDoNot · 17/03/2025 19:06

You need to accept that you’ve made a terrible mistake moving in together.

You can stay together but live separately, plenty of couples do.

Just reading your posts about living with him is exhausting, I can’t imagine how much mental energy you’re wasting on his non existent sorting systems and his piles of crap everywhere.

SpottedDonkey · 17/03/2025 19:14

The more you post about him, the more red flags appear and the more concerning his behaviour sounds.

You are getting some serious warnings and some very good advice here OP. I strongly urge you to listen to it to and take it seriously.

Louielooiloveyou · 17/03/2025 19:15

Why can’t you live separately?

Loopytiles · 17/03/2025 19:24

Why would you lose your home? Whose place are you in?

It sounds exhausting, seeking to ‘help’ him and live in a mess.

Klemmimg · 17/03/2025 19:32

We did live separately but spent all our time together so it made sense to move in. He really is a nice guy I am not angry with him, just frustrated, he isn’t doing this stuff just to piss me off.

When we lived apart he preferred his house to mine so mine was just an unlived in, clean, tidy empty place as I wasn’t really there! He felt awkward at mine as it was tidy and like he couldn’t touch anything - not the case at all, just I would just clear up after we ate, or put stuff like clothes away before bed, or make the bed when we got up. I would do my housework when I came home a couple of days a week. It was nice to come home to it after his chaos at his house. His house was very ‘lived in’ which is some people’s vibe 😂

He would sometimes do a huge house blitz and get it looking absolutely brilliant, but this would be so stressful to get to this point as he procrastinates so much and it would take him an entire day and evening (he only had 4 rooms!). A few times we had guests over I was embarrassed about how much junk was everywhere making the place super cramped but it doesn’t bother him.

So sometimes I would tidy up at his house uninvited but just tidy the piles up (so they weren’t as spread out or inconvenient) and just kind of make the place functional but he had all the big ideas he would throw stuff away when we moved and then it all crept back.

He thinks I am too anal about things and it’s unnecessary.

OP posts:
Klemmimg · 17/03/2025 19:32

Loopytiles · 17/03/2025 19:24

Why would you lose your home? Whose place are you in?

It sounds exhausting, seeking to ‘help’ him and live in a mess.

We have a joint mortgage on a large house. Neither of us could probably own by ourselves we were separately renting.

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Amotherlife · 17/03/2025 19:34

My DH isnt good at tidying up after himself. He's also the type to buy a new cupboard because the old one is full. Even filling the dishwasher means he squeezes things in or leaves them out, when I can see if some are switched or moved, the extra stuff will fit better. I suspect he could have ADHD.

But when I suggest or direct him, he gets it. He just needs reminding - also tends to be / seem lazy, but if focused, e.g. when booking a holiday, he is very thorough and works out all the fine details. As I say, maybe ADHD, though he doesn't agree.

But, though he keeps too much stuff, he isn't a hoarder. He will throw things out, he will tidy when reminded etc. He recently spent many hours getting his home office in order and literally got rid of everything he no longer needs.

I can live and have lived with it. Though I sometimes wonder whether if I'd understood what it would be like, whether I might not have done so!

But I couldn't live with a hoarder.

Klemmimg · 17/03/2025 19:37

He is very into a particular hobby that was very expensive but he’s not very good at it, it also has a lot of parts that goes with it. So sometimes he will embark on one of his hobby projects and get engrossed in that. Luckily we have somewhere separate for that mess. So what happens is I use all my spare opportunities to tidy up the house whizzing around but if I go out and he’s been there, I come back to a bit of a tip - he cannot physically or mentally tidy up like I do, he does not have that kind of brain. He does cook though and I don’t like cooking so he has good points. I love him very much, I posted here as I worried I was being unreasonable

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 17/03/2025 19:39

You are basically trying to bail out the sea using a spoon. The house can be sold and you can both go your separate ways.

Hoarding has nothing to do with ADHD. It can stem from OCD and or childhood trauma and neglect.

You are seemingly determined to learn the hard way sadly.

AreWeThereYet69 · 17/03/2025 23:39

It doesn't sound like you're compatible.
You probably shouldn't have moved in together
I think your best option is to live separately and spend a few nights a week together again.
You're wasting your energy trying to change him. He sounds very difficult to me. I wouldn't like to live that way

Petra42 · 18/03/2025 06:23

@Klemmimg he sounds like he has ADHD plus the hoarding of stuff. If you love him, just live separately.

My partner has ADHD but not the hoarding. We can live together when just doing the fun, light hearted, dating stuff but actually his day to day living probably wouldn't be compatible with mine. I'm also a doer and can't leave things till the last minute.

Vivaea · 18/03/2025 09:04

I disagree with other posters that you need to give up and live separately. I do agree that some of his behaviour seems concerning and you need to see if you can find a way to compromise.

I suggest sitting down and explain the impact some of this is having on your stress levels, whilst listening to his point of view too. A middle ground needs to be found and boundaries need to be set. Which communal areas need to be clear of crap so you can both us e.g. kitchen prep space. Which spaces are available that he can put his stuff? It's likely to cause some friction as you adjust to each other and compromise but hopefully some middle ground can be found.

I moved in with my husband at similar stages in our lives - he is more messy and cluttered than me but we've luckily managed to adapt. Since coming back from maternity leave I am now sharing a classroom with a hoarder and that is much more difficult to navigate!

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