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How would other people approach this? Boyf/DP self care/hygiene

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User7288339 · 03/03/2025 21:07

Ugh I so so don’t want to get the ick as dp/boyf of nearly 18 months is really lovely.
Quite sensitive and I think was made to feel a bit lacking in previous long relationship as she was a stronger character than him and was critical.

anyway… we went away for a night this weekend to a hotel and he didn’t brush his teeth once. I didn’t see a wash bag or toothbrush in the bathroom. He didn’t shower either, although to be fair we were only away from home for one night.

I definitely remember him being minty fresh earlier on in the relationship but now I’m think maybe he hasn’t brushed when I’ve been staying over lately (only tend to do so about once a fortnight when kids are away).

surprisingly he doesn’t seem to suffer from bad breath generally but this weekend I think he have eaten something garlicky and it was really unpleasant to kiss him and then think that he hadn’t brushed them 😞

I know I need to broach it but don’t want to hurt his feelings.

I think it would’ve been best in the moment to say something like you know I love you; but please brush your teeth! But I’m not sure he had a toothbrush with him so thought that would embarrass him.

we were also at a family party of his as part of the weekend and he hadn’t shaved.

im not sure if either this is his normal and he was just making extra effort at the beginning of the relationship…. Or maybe he is stressed at the moment (he has some stress in his life with work and single parenting) and it’s showing in a dip in self care?

wondering how others would approach this.
everything else is good so don’t want to end it over this.

OP posts:
Gtbb · 04/03/2025 00:08

OP, lean into what your gut is trying to tell you.

You are not his mother or carer.
Do you want to be?
Women can slip into this role and then hugely resent it.
Think about what you want and need in a long term relationship.

Do you want to be the parent in the relationship?

It can get old very quickly.

WarmWhite · 04/03/2025 12:01

This behaviour can be linked to mh problems, but it can be a red flag for an abusive personality. I’ve had two partners who gradually started to be like this and both became abusive. I’ve seen similar posts on here where poor hygiene is the precursor to abuse and friends have also experienced it.

Every single time the woman is urged to take responsibility for it and manage it. Joint showers, wash bags and cajoling are always suggested instead of saying no, this isn’t acceptable.

What Gbbt said about Kissing someone with stinky breath, despite knowing they haven't brushed in a while, swallowing, literally, your distaste, means you are vulnerable and need to work on your boundaries IMO really hit me in the guts, because that’s exactly what’s happening, and these men know it.

It’s really disrespectful to kiss someone or try to be intimate when you know you smell. Please don’t buy him wash bags, or buy spare toothbrushes. If he makes the choice to have poor self care the next time he stays, don’t remind him, tell him he’s not welcome to stay. That’s a natural consequence for choosing to be disrespectful to someone you’re sharing a bed with.

Coolrubytiger said it raised red flags for vulnerable narcism and i agree. Sensitive can also mean victim mentality. This sentence but it does mean I get worried about saying things like to him as know he might internally take it to heart is another way of describing walking on eggshells and it’s a massive red flag.

outerspacepotato · 04/03/2025 12:09

If you have to walk on eggshells when telling a guy he really needs to scrub up and brush his teeth, what else will you have to walk on eggshells about.

The nasty hygiene would be the end though. I'm not the momma.

Honestorlietothem · 27/05/2025 22:05

Oh god. My ex was like this and only since doing extensive work on myself, therapy and many domestic abuse education courses, my IDVA and many and any other sources I am disgusted further at what I put up with or didn’t question. He never crashed his hands after the toilet. He never or rarely brushed his teeth.

He did shower but not regularly. He would come home from his very manually physical work and get into bed in his clothes and sleep in them then get up next day! He drank heavily but you’d not know it unless you knew and oftentimes he wet the bed. He smoked, drank, down the line I found out he took speed or GBA is it?

Steroids and coke at work in the day. I had no idea. He slept an insane amount of time. Back then I went into full mummy mode with him. After some time I moved in with him, I found myself cooking multiple times at night before I had even ate - he wanted cooked meat and steam veg for dinner and the same for next days lunch.

He never cooked. Ever. Would sometimes get a Deliveroo but only for himself and eat it in front of me and the children without any care. I erupted when pregnant once at him because he wouldn’t walk to the shop to get me gaviscon and at one point he brought me a can of coke and announced how much he had changed as it wouldn’t have occurred to him to have thought about something I might like when he went to the shop. It began with a seemingly normal man.

Very soon it became clear he had mental health issues such as anxiety but all I wanted to do was take care of him. Months down the line he turned abusive. His standards he claimed, were so high and far higher than mine, I couldn’t do anything correct and the double standards were unbelievable. I learnt early on not to bring things up. Same as you, he would internalise it, later on I learned that he was actually simmering with rage and contempt for me. He I believe is a ‘vulnerable narc’ and they are the worst ones of all.

They expect everything of you, call them out in anything from not helping clear up some cups to actually physically abusing you, they erupt back saying all the irrelevant non connected slights you have done, silent treatment, withdrawing sex or affection and if I would raise that he’d tell me to add on another two weeks as my raising anything ‘set him back’ he had NO grace for any anxiety or sadness I had, especially when I was unwell. I look back and I think to myself how I had zero self esteem to have become conditioned to that, allowed myself to get to that point but yet I did, always chasing the representative you first meet.

I know it’s terrible but I would avoid a man who showed a speck of a red flag for the above, it isn’t worth the risk and being on this forum had opened my eyes to just how common sadly these types of men are and all the insidious ways they show up, creeping bit by bit, weaponised incompetence, mine liked to humiliate me. In subtle ways. He could ‘just’ be a slob, but it could be a precursor for a more maladaptive at best, abusive st worst, man. I’d never date a man with mental health issues unless he was taking full responsibility and in therapy etc. even then I’d be very cautious.

It’s easy to say know your worth, it just doesn’t pan out like that sadly until or unless you’ve been broken to nothing over it all. I agree the freedom programme, if anything to be forewarned is to be forearmed. I also agree on honing in on the self worth aspect.

He could be completely grim and that’s the end of it. I’m autistic and I do find it tiresome to read every obnoxious or distasteful behaviour as a ‘could he be autistic’ because whilst I can’t say I enjoy cleaning my teeth (sensory) I still do it because I’m an adult and I know it is essential to do,

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