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What kind of dad do I have, and will this impact me and my relationship with my children? Go NC?

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VillageFete · 03/03/2025 16:09

Weird thread title I know, but i’m not sure how to really explain what I want to convey?

God, this may be long but i’d so appreciate some advice on this. I’ve just turned 40 and i’m at the stage of being sick of this crap and need some advice.

I want to start by saying that i’m paying for counselling, and it’s been wonderful for me, but she can’t advise me. I’d like advice from what about what you think is happening and what you’d do in my position.

My dad - where do I start? My understanding is (Not from him) That he had behavioural problems as a child. His parents had lots of children and they were more or less left to their own devices. They’re a family of drinkers, but a couple of my dad’s siblings have gone on to be successful and decent people. One is NC with my dad. The rest of the siblings have issues of some description and are a tad strange, to say the least.

My dad is larger than life. Everyone loves him. Charming, handsome, funny and a “real character” People are drawn to his personality and always give him the benefit of the doubt and make excuses for his poor behaviour.

He is a womaniser - always has been. He broke our family up because he wouldn’t stop. I know that my mum was the love of his life, but he clearly had no respect for her. Since my mum left him, he went on to father 3 children by 3 different flings. He expects me to treat them as “proper” siblings and wipe up any mess that they make - they are much younger than me. If any of them make poor choices and my dad steps in, he expects me to step in too and help “fix” things. It’s exhausting and I don’t want to. I have 3 children of my own, one is a teen, one is primary age and one is a baby.

As a child he lavished me with affection and always put me on a pedestal because I was an advanced child with speech, language and communication. I then went on to become academic in school. He thought that was incredible and made him look fantastic, and made it clear that he expected great things of me. He would always tell me how bright I was, how great I was at everything and made me feel as though I wasn’t human and couldn’t make any mistakes. Fast forward and i’ve just turned 40 and am incredibly blessed and privileged to have 3 wonderful children, a great partner of 22 years and a lovely life. I work hard, i’ve been lucky and I probably do look like a “success” on paper (I’m going off on a tangent but I believe it’s relevant)

The moment I turned 18 he began treating me as a PA. Do this for me, do that for me… Lots of admin, paperwork and wanting me to take the reins on whatever crazy scheme he came up with next. He is always looking for ways to make money, he cuts corners and has been involved in many different scams throughout the years. Somehow, someway he drags me into them even though I never agree with a single thing that he does. The stress his scams have caused me, I can’t even begin to describe.

He’s a story teller. He is always the hero in the story. Will spin a yarn about how incredible he is and how everyone was telling him what an incredible thing he did/what an amazing guy he is etc… He truly thinks he’s wonderful and has zero faults. It’s ALL about him. Is this narcissistic behaviour? I’ve known him to apologise on occasion but never known him to own up to his actions and admit faults if that makes sense?

For the last 20 years my phone will ring a minimum of twice per week with him needing or wanting something from me. It’s never straightforward and will always cause me some kind of stress. If I explained everything then this thread would be unreadable. There’s simply too much to say, but in a nutshell i’m harrassed and expected to spring into action when he says. My dad had a reputation of being quite fierce when he was younger. He was well respected because he could take care of himself. There were episodes of the most terrifying violence at our door, that still see me revert to a scared little girl if ever I think of them. He was a scary man, with a very volatile temperament. I WAS scared of him, even though he never raised his voice to me or laid a hand on me - Infact he appeared to worship me when I was a young child.

He could make you so very uncomfortable though. If his mood was off, he was terrifying in his silence and his energy. He literally put the fear of God in me at times, particularly when I was a teenager. When my mum moved on, he hospitalised her poor innocent partner and then broke my mum’s nose. He would scream and rant and rave and say terrible things about her to me - even though HE was a womaniser and gave my mum a dog’s life and left her with no option but to end it. I was terrified.

I posted on another thread a while ago and someone mention FOG (Fear, obligation and guilt) And I wonder if this is it? I cannot for the life of me understand why I put up with his behaviour and why I can’t stand up to him and say no? I’d have no problem with telling anyone else where to go. I’m a confident woman and i’m usually assertive when I need to be. I don’t tend to suffer fools and yet this man, my dad, takes me for an absolute mug and I just accept it.

He found himself in ill health a couple of years back and I sorted everything for him. All of the PIP paperwork, all of the hospital appts, applying for his pension etc.. Absolutely everything. It was extremely difficult as I was heavily pregnant and my best friend died at that time and I was bereft. He never once asked me how I was or thanked me for all that I did. I genuinely don’t dwell on this, but I find it strange that he expects so much of me, even when I have so much of my own stuff going on. Only he matters.

More recently since then, his cognitive health has declined. He’s erratic and can’t seem to do ANYTHING for himself anymore. No paperwork, no bill sorting, can’t book a flight etc.. He’s been assessed and they don’t think he has dementia but i’m not so sure. Then again he’s ALWAYS been this way - erratic and expects others to do things for him, it’s just that it’s getting worse. He screams ADHD to me, he’s hyperactive and gets hysterical easily and has zero concentration.

He’s under the hospital over his heart. I have to take him to every appointment. It’s beyond embarrassing as if he isn’t treated like royalty he causes a terrible scene, says inappropriate things and behaves like a petulant child. I absolutely dread every appointment but feel this deep sense of obligation. There’s no one else to do it. I feel physically ill before any appointments and also feel physically ill whenever I see his name flash on my phone. Terrified of what’s about to be expected of me when I’m absolutely shattered with my 3 children, my work, keeping a home and all of that entails - my baby is only 1! I’m stretched to my limits yet I’m scared to tell him, scared to he honest. Why?

He went abroad for elective medical treatment not long ago. My baby was months old. I was expected to correspond with the rep abroad over everything, book the flights and accommodation and deal with everything on his behalf. When he got there, he didn’t like his hotel room, didn’t like how the staff treated him, made a massive scene and demanded I sorted a new hotel. He ended up physically assaulting a member of staff. I was truly horrified. He was ringing me from 6am every day whilst away, screaming that he was going to die with stress if he wasn’t moved to a new hotel. I’m ashamed to say I was at a concert with my teenage daughter and he was ringing my phone non stop, I got really drunk to cope (I never do this, I drink socially, never to cope with stress) And my daughter had an attitude with me and I exploded. Crying and screaming that she didn’t know how lucky she was to have parents that love her, expect nothing of her and never will, parents that will always support her. How different her childhood was to mine, how selfish it was of her to be so horrid when she has it so good etc… I’ve never forgiven myself for that. I was disgusting but it was because of him. Him and his constant demands and the incredible amounts of stress that he consistently puts me under. I lost it that night and found myself on anti depressants the following week for the first time in my life. I also started counselling that week too.

He was screaming for a refund for his stay, that I needed to sort it and I needed to change his flight. Somehow I got him what he wanted but I paid the price, mentally. So did my daughter because of my fragile mental state and my outburst.

There’s much more that I could say, but the last thing i’ll say is that I was 40 recently. He knew. I reminded him in conversation (Where he was calling me to contact the local papers about an issue he’s having with his local council) He ALWAYS wants something from me. I reminded him that it was my 40th Birthday and I was busy celebrating with my children and he just said “Have a nice time” No happy Birthday, no card, nothing. It’s never been acknowledged since. Don’t you think this is so very strange? I want to understand him but I just can’t.

I’m so scared that i’ve got unresolved trauma or something and I’m terrified of that impacting my children. I must have some kind of PTSD because I feel physically unwell and panicky when he calls me. I am scared to answer.

What do I do?! Things are only going to get worse now he’s aging, he’s always going to need something from me.

I think, I would hope, he would step in if ever I was in some kind of trouble. He tells me he loves me and he shows an interest in my children in terms of occasionally asking about them. He shows the most interest by far in my son, who is genuinely a really good looking kid and everyone says he looks like my dad. I think my dad favours him because of the resemblance?

But truthfully, he brings nothing but drama, chaos and panic to my life yet i’m scared to do anything about it. Can anyone help me figure this out? I’ve definitely put better boundaries up with him since starting counselling but I just feel so fed up with it all and I know that i’m so depleted and it’s got to be affecting my kids.

Thank you so much for making it this far!

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VillageFete · 03/03/2025 16:19

Just to add - this is 20 year’s of build up of him always wanting something from me, always bringing chaos and drama into my life because of his illegal scams, always expecting me to step in and fix things. It’s come to a head now, but this has been going on for so many years - just making that point incase it comes across as only being recent since what appears to be his cognitive decline.

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SoundedCat · 03/03/2025 18:17

Wow, that sounds awful. Well done for getting counselling. My thoughts are

He's not going to accept healthy boundaries. Go NC. Block him on your phone today.

Stop trying to understand him, I don't think anyone could

Accept that he brings nothing good to your life only drama and pain and going NC is in yours and your children's best interests

As he ages, the work you're doing is only going to get worse. Stop everything now. Let the state deal with him

He will not change

Did you apologise to your DD? I bet you did. You got drunk and shouted because of your stress and his abusive behaviour (historic and current in that moment). But it was still you that drank and shouted, and she needs an apology. Also that apology sets you miles apart from you dad. Clearly that was a moment where you realised you needed help. You've taken responsibility for poor behaviour, he doesn't. I think it's ok for kids to see adults mess up, even in monumental fashion, so long as they see the work the adult does afterwards to put things right. That's what you're doing. Step away from the mum guilt, your DD will be fine, as this was not your normal behaviour.

Allow yourself to grieve for the father you didn't have

AttilaTheMeerkat · 03/03/2025 18:20

Grieve for the relationship you should have had rather than the one you actually got. Have nothing further to do with him.

He was not a good parent to you when you were growing up and he has not changed. He has not changed in all the years since. Read toxic parents by Susan Forward.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 03/03/2025 18:22

The truism here is that if a parent/relative is too toxic or difficult for YOU to deal with, it’s the SAME deal for your kids too.

VillageFete · 03/03/2025 18:52

Thank you so much for the replies. It genuinely means a-lot to have my feelings acknowledged and to help me make some kind of sense of them.

I feel conflicted. Because he seemed to be a good dad in some ways when I was a child, I feel as though NC is cruel. He would have fought tooth and nail to have me in his life had my mum tried to cut contact (She didn’t) And he provided financially and always assured me that he loved me - so this leaves me feeling some sort of obligation to him. I do think he loves me, at least he tells me that he does.

@SoundedCat God yes, I hugged her, kissed her and apologised profusely. I assured her it would never happen again and I explained as best as I could how and why it all happened. I still feel gut wrenchingly awful about it. Hormones won’t have helped as her baby sister was only a few months old and the alcohol probably went to my head. No excuse, but I think that exacerbated things. They were my actions, it was absolutely my fault and nobody else’s, but his behaviour is what pulled me down to behave that way. I recognise that, but equally recognise that i’m responsible for my response and my actions. It was on me, and I sought help straight away.

@AttilaTheMeerkat Yes, that’s my biggest worry, that my children will feel the consequences. His behaviour affects me deeply, causes me sadness, stress and completely depletes me of all energy, and my big girl has already paid the price in some ways. I don’t want my little ones to, as well.

I just can’t fathom why he is like this and why i’m not able to make a proper stand?

I had a chat with one of my dad’s sisters (One of the 2 who is decent. She still speaks to my dad. The other decent sibling doesn’t) I told her some of the things he does, how he makes me feel etc… And her advice was “But he’s your dad, I know it’s hard love but what can you do?”

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PullTheBricksDown · 03/03/2025 19:06

he provided financially and always assured me that he loved me

This is the minimum you should expect from a dad. Don't imagine he has done you massive favours. He's taken a lot more back in terms of all he expects. What would he do if you said you couldn't take him to one of his appointments? Be such a nightmare that you'd end up giving in.

You need to either go NC or find a way to control contact much more strictly. You could get another phone with a new number, and keep the old one switched off most of the time then just check it say weekly. It's about stopping him being able to ring and make demands when you can't then refuse them.

By the way, he wouldn't be there for you if you were in trouble. It would probably be because of him! Look at how your birthday was. He'd tell you that you're very capable and you'd sort it out and that would be that.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 03/03/2025 19:18

Head like this because he can be like this. He has learnt this works for him. Its not your fault he is the ways he is and you did not make him that way either. You have received the Special Training here to put his needs first with your own dead last.

Your sister is trying to minimise your feelings by saying that to you and I’d keep my distance from her too. Your dad had a choice when it came to you and he chose to inflict likely what was done to him as a child. Keep your kids and yourself well away from him going forward. They will say thank you for doing so.

OneWaryCat · 03/03/2025 19:24

Sorry OP, I read your post and I think you probably already know what the answer to the question is. It's just very hard to come to terms with and actually do. Good luck x

VillageFete · 03/03/2025 21:38

@PullTheBricksDown It is the bare minimum, I hadn’t really thought of it that way. I just keep thinking things like “Well, he never abandoned me and so he doesn’t deserve for me to go NC” But then I think of how much better my life would be without him in it, and feel instant guilt and horror that I feel that way.

@AttilaTheMeerkat It was my dad’s sister; not my sister. I probably didn’t make that clear! She was defending him to a degree and sort of expecting me to suck it up. It felt very disappointing.

@OneWaryCat Thank you. It does feel almost impossible, but i’m certain most would cut him off if they were in my position, and I would completely understand!

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