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Thoughts and opinions sought please

22 replies

DracunculusVulgaris · 09/02/2025 16:01

Hmmm, where to start! I have concerns regarding my partner and her relationship with, and attitude towards, alcohol and my boundaries around it. For full disclosure, I am male, my mum was an alcoholic and my siblings and I grew up in a household where mum was emotionally absent for much of the time, due to her 'fondness' for alcohol. I also had a relationship, many years ago, with a woman who was a secret drinker and ended up in hospital with acute pancreatitis and nearly died, but managed to quit alcohol entirely afterwards. As a consequence, I am very watchful, wary and cautious around alcohol, am virtually teatotal myself and tend to avoid being around drinkers or environments where alcohol is regarded as being positive, admirable or aspirational. I am also autistic, quiet, reserved and introverted by nature, and sometimes wonder if I am being 'oversensitive', judgemental or allowing my feelings to be coloured by my antipathy towards alcohol.

After that preamble - my partner is a self confessed 'binge drinker', has told me some horror stories about things she has done whilst drunk, being sick in taxis, running off without paying the fare, urinating in public, wetting the bed, urinating in the ottoman in her spare room, having mistaken it for the toilet, going round the local pubs or at the races, 'snogging', as she puts it, all the good looking men. And her friendships and previous relationships all have the common denominator of being with people who enjoy pubs, bars and drinking culture - the complete antithesis of my likes. Just recently I have become increasingly concerned that my boundaries are being pushed more and more, although, in fairness, I have never seen her drunk (and hope never to!) and I try to be sanguine and phlegmatic about it, trying to accept that we are just different in our attitudes. But several recent events are weighing on my mind - on New Year's Day we spent the day at her mum's and she was 'dry' all day until early evening when she consumed a can of high strength Jamaican lager. An hour later, when we left, she attempted to get in the driver's seat of her car to drive us back to her home. I was horrified and said "no, you've had a drink, let me drive". Her response was " it was only one can, I've done it before and been fine. And the cops do it all the time". I told her that I would not get in the car if she was insisting on driving, a non negotiable for me and that I would walk home. Reluctantly she gave me the keys, but was very 'frosty' with me for the remainder of the evening! It is difficult to explain, but it very much felt that I was being tested to see if I would just meekly get in the passenger seat or if I WOULD actually say something and stand my ground. And then, last Sunday, another incident occurred. I approached her, in a calm and measured manner, about her alcohol consumption and her health, bearing in mind that she has recently been diagnosed as Type 2 diabetic and has high blood pressure and there is history of both within her family - we only buried her elder brother 3 weeks ago (who had kidney disease, diabetes and died from heart failure, and her dad also died of heart failure). Her response was to immediately open a can of lager and consume it in front of me and when I asked why she felt that was neccessary mid morning on a Sunday she replied " because I can" and it felt very much like a two fingered salute to my concerns. Later that day we went to lay flowers on my parents' grave and she consumed another can whilst I was driving, belching in my ear en route. She then proceeded to urinate in a corner of the churchyard because her bladder was full and she couldn't wait to find a public toilet. She then suggested we find a pub and have a drink, before going home, knowing that I am not at ease or comfortable in pubs. All in all, it felt very disrespectful, both to my mum's memory and to my sensitivities and I am still anxious about it a week on.

I am sorry that this is long and I am not seeking validation, just honest opinions as to whether I am being controlling and over sensitive and should be more relaxed about it or if I genuinely have cause for concern - one thing that I am certain of is that all her concerted efforts to get me to become a 'drinker' have, and always will, fail! Thank you.

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Wavescrashingonthebeach · 09/02/2025 16:03

Just dump her she sounds vile. You don't have kids together???

EVHead · 09/02/2025 16:04

This is not a good relationship for you. Even without your toxic background, she sounds awful.

DracunculusVulgaris · 09/02/2025 16:09

@Wavescrashingonthebeach , no we don't have kids together, she is 60, I am 61 and we have only been together 3 years

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DracunculusVulgaris · 09/02/2025 16:11

@EVHead, I am really not trying to paint her in a bad light and her family, especially her wonderful, lovely mum, who I adore, would be horrified if they knew about, or saw, this element of her.

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Wavescrashingonthebeach · 09/02/2025 16:11

DracunculusVulgaris · 09/02/2025 16:09

@Wavescrashingonthebeach , no we don't have kids together, she is 60, I am 61 and we have only been together 3 years

Well that's good. Clean break. You deserve better! I'm sure there's lots of women around who would love to be with someone like you.

DracunculusVulgaris · 09/02/2025 16:14

@Wavescrashingonthebeach, thank you - I know, deep in my heart, and my head, that I am worth far, far more and deserve better - the alcohol and the two incidents I have written about are but the tip of the iceberg!

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Wavescrashingonthebeach · 09/02/2025 16:18

DracunculusVulgaris · 09/02/2025 16:14

@Wavescrashingonthebeach, thank you - I know, deep in my heart, and my head, that I am worth far, far more and deserve better - the alcohol and the two incidents I have written about are but the tip of the iceberg!

Well exactly and no matter how nice she may be on certain other occasions some things are just deal breakers.

DracunculusVulgaris · 09/02/2025 16:19

And I feel that I do not ever want a relationship again, at least not an emotional, romantic one! I would rather just have the platonic relationship with my friends from whom I have been estranged as I am actively discouraged and banned from having any contact with them, just because they are women primarily

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Chuchoter · 09/02/2025 16:20

She's an absolute mess.

Save your sanity and your dignity by moving on from her.

dairydebris · 09/02/2025 16:23

I dont think you're being over sensitive or unreasonable at all.

I do think you should do some soul searching about why you seem to be attracted to and yet repulsed by women with problematic relationships with alcohol.

Pickandmixusername · 09/02/2025 16:28

Op, please stop seeing this woman. From your updates it sounds like she is maybe being abusive towards you, or if not yet, then maybe on the way to being abusive. Not being allowed to see your friends because they are women is not OK. The weeing all over the place thing isn't very funny.

My mum was also an alcoholic and died before she made it to 60, so I really sympathise with you

Wavescrashingonthebeach · 09/02/2025 16:30

Pickandmixusername · 09/02/2025 16:28

Op, please stop seeing this woman. From your updates it sounds like she is maybe being abusive towards you, or if not yet, then maybe on the way to being abusive. Not being allowed to see your friends because they are women is not OK. The weeing all over the place thing isn't very funny.

My mum was also an alcoholic and died before she made it to 60, so I really sympathise with you

I agree she does sound abusive. And my advice is the same to men as it is to women- you don't have to tolerate it, the only acceptable level of abuse is none.
Op, enjoy spending time with your other female friends.

speedydatingD0Tuk · 09/02/2025 16:32

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Bananalanacake · 09/02/2025 16:38

Hopefully you don't live together, better to leave, not your job to save her.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 09/02/2025 16:48

Make your 62nd year on this planet a lot happier by ending this dysfunctional relationship. Do not waste another three years of your life; the fact that you've been with her for 3 years now worries me a lot.

People with autism spectrum conditions like yourself can be more vulnerable to exploitation* *because they may: have difficulty understanding social cues and communication, including difficulty recognising when the behaviour of others is concerning or inappropriate. You are neither sensitive nor unreasonable; the person you are with is throwing her toys out of her pram because she is also abusive.

The only acceptable level of abuse in a relationship is none and you are not a rehab centre for some badly raised person.

Alcoholism thrives on secrecy and you're doing your own bit here to cover it all up. That helps no-one least of all the alcoholic. Tell her mother because you need to bust this wide open and she deserves to know the truth. She may know anyway.

Your mother was herself an alcoholic so it's not altogether surprising you are in a relationship with one now. Her primary relationship however is with drink and her thoughts centre around where the next drink is going to come from. You could not save your mother and you cannot save this woman now. The will to do so has to come from her and she is showing no indication that she wants to address her alcoholism.

You are codependent in this relationship and can only help your own self ultimately and I would urge you to end your relationship to her now. I would urge you to contact Al-anon and get outside support for your own self.

Be on your own and do not enter into another relationship until your boundaries are a lot healthier than they currently are. These people have taken full advantage of your kind and empathetic nature.

DracunculusVulgaris · 09/02/2025 17:50

Thank you all for your comments and rather than try to reply individually I will add some further detail as a 'catch all'

No, we do not live together, we live 70 miles apart and I generally travel up to her on a Friday evening, after work, to spend the weekend with her, and leave in the early hours of Monday morning and travel directly to my own place of work, so am away from my own home from Friday evening to Monday evening - having a rare weekend on my own this weekend though!

Yes, much of her behaviour could be described as abusive. Constant criticism of the way I speak, my vocabulary, the way I dress, my good appetite (apparently I have an eating disorder because I enjoy food, especially her mum's delicious Jamaican cuisine), I am, quote, "stuck up", "pompous", "a snob" and "you have a stick up your arse" because of my interests, my boundaries and standards around behaviour, the way I try to engage with people, my dislike of constant swearing, ( I am surrounded by swearing at work, hate it, but have to tolerate it, although I don't want to be subjected to it in my private life), my level of education and so many other factors!

I did not know that alcohol was such an integral part of her lifestyle when first we met - it has only become apparent over time and seems to be more so as she is now becoming more accustomed to the fact that I am increasingly enmeshed with her family and she thinks I won't walk away.

Her antipathy towards my friends is mainly directed at one in particular - a long standing friend who is very intelligent, articulate, wise, sagacious, honourable, loyal, faithful, and a thoroughly decent human being with enormous integrity. Her only crime? She is originally from an African country and, therefore is not to be trusted and MUST have an agenda and is just "playing the long game" and I was having an "emotional affair" with her (utter nonsense), because we used to talk regularly on the phone, she used to come and stay with me occasionally and once invited me to go to her home country with her for the adventure of a lifetime and I learned a little of her tribal language. The fact that I love learning languages and have taught myself several doesn't seem to be a factor in my partner's thinking.

Yes, I am aware that being autistic does increase my risk of being exploited and makes me slightly vulnerable, although I have survived to 61 without any major mishaps!

Thank you to everyone for your thoughts, comments and observations, it is much appreciated and is giving me a much needed boost. I am struggling with my self esteem and confidence at the moment.

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DracunculusVulgaris · 09/02/2025 18:16

@dairydebris, your use of the word 'repulsed' is interesting. I am almost afraid to say it, but that is the very word which has been going around and around in my head, especially since last Sunday's display of rude, abrasive, abrupt, combative and confrontational, goading behaviour. I am, like every one of us, far from perfect, have many faults and, doubtless, a host of irritating quirks and habits which I would, myself, struggle to live with in a partner! But I don't deserve to be undermined, 'othered' made to feel small and worthless by the very person who should make me feel secure and in the surroundings where I should feel safe.

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dairydebris · 09/02/2025 18:26

DracunculusVulgaris · 09/02/2025 18:16

@dairydebris, your use of the word 'repulsed' is interesting. I am almost afraid to say it, but that is the very word which has been going around and around in my head, especially since last Sunday's display of rude, abrasive, abrupt, combative and confrontational, goading behaviour. I am, like every one of us, far from perfect, have many faults and, doubtless, a host of irritating quirks and habits which I would, myself, struggle to live with in a partner! But I don't deserve to be undermined, 'othered' made to feel small and worthless by the very person who should make me feel secure and in the surroundings where I should feel safe.

You definitely don't deserve it 😊.

But yet you're putting up with it and doubting yourself, hence your posting here.

At the risk of sounding like a massive cliche and on the understanding it isn't possible to go into it at length here, I'm afraid you might have some mummy issues.

There's a cognitive dissonance in you. You're simultaneously drawn to women like your mother, it's a form of comfort, but you also know full well this isn't the right way to be.

DracunculusVulgaris · 09/02/2025 18:32

@speedydatingDOTuk, it worries me that she sometimes drives her grandson and has been known to drink alcohol when we have sole care of him some weekends. Although, in fairness, if I am around and driving is required, by default, as a non drinker, I will drive.

She was also approved as a foster carer last year, although her outrage when told that her alcohol had to be kept out of sight and locked away, was palpable! Curiously, no foster children have yet been placed with her.

I really, really hope that I am not coming across as 'holier than thou' or rubbishing my partner, we are opposing personalities, with wildly different views on what constitutes acceptable standards of behaviour and boundaries - neither of us is 'right', neither of us is 'wrong', it is just that I am used to being with quiet people, in quiet places, doing quiet things, quietly, respectfully and respectably!

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Fourfurrymonsters · 09/02/2025 18:32

I couldn’t quite believe the woman you are describing is 60 and not 14! She sounds like an absolute fanny, she is abusive to you and you need to leave her. Luckily your domestic set-up makes this a lot easier than it might be otherwise. Just send her a message and tell her that after some consideration you don’t wish to continue your relationship with her.

DracunculusVulgaris · 17/02/2025 19:59

Just an update to my thread and the need to get things off my chest:

I spent this past weekend with my partner and, on Saturday, we spent the afternoon dog sitting her daughter's two dogs, including taking them for a walk. During the course of this walk, and for no obvious reason, other than the fact that I made a rather limp joke, she called me by a very perjorative and offensive name, which I won't repeat. I was so stunned and shocked that I was barely able to respond - by rights, I should have just told her that it was the final straw and that I was walking away for good. I would never, ever speak to anyone like that, and expect not to be spoken to myself, in that way, especially by a partner, who is supposed to make one feel safe, secure and respected. Later, back at her daughter's house, she raided the cupboards until she found a can of cider and, despite saying that it was horrible cider, proceeded to open and consume a second one!

I am ashamed of myself for continuing to put up with this behaviour and am now at my wit's end, stressed beyond measure, disgusted with myself for my weakness, desperately unhappy and wonder what it will take for me to finally just say what needs saying and end things. Please don't judge me, I know that I need to grow a backbone, and that none of her family would be surprised, despite the fact that she behaves differently in front of them, presenting as a kind and caring personality. But I understand that this is exactly how abusive and controlling individuals operate!

Not really seeking any advice, since I know the answer, but I am fearful for my safety and what she might be capable of, and just writing it down is cathartic! I am journalling too, just to remind myself that these are not isolated incidents and that there is a distinct, and definite, ongoing pattern.

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Seaoftroubles · 17/02/2025 23:43

Please stop spending time with this woman. You know that you're in an unhealthy relationship and you accept she is abusive yet you keep being drawn back.
As you find it so difficult to cut contact I would strongly advise you to seek therapy to help you understand why you put up with such disrespectful behaviour and learn how you can break the pattern. Keep journalling by all means but you really need professional help and advice to overcome this toxic situation that you're in.

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