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What type of behaviour is this in a marriage?

21 replies

Sesa9 · 08/02/2025 22:23

Ok so I know this is unhealthy behaviour from my DH but would you consider these things as abuse if within a new 2?year marriage? Been together 4 years and yes, I saw red flags and tried to address him about them but he was very good at making excuses or fake apologies and promises of change. Future faking was always present.

If it abuse which type would you say? DH is very socially quiet and awkward but can turn in the charm if needed. He is a very powerful CEO professionally. Love bombing happened at the start.

There is

Lots of gaslighting,
dismissal of my feeling and needs,
denial and ‘forgetting’ what they promised,
defensiveness - “I’ve done nothing wrong.”
Huge stubbornness,
refusal to go to couples counselling or study self improvement on conduct within a marriage.
solo control over house deeds and bills,
ignores and disbelieves my boundaries,
disregards my feelings or opinions - unless it’s something simple like what to eat for dinner,
refusal to acknowledge my needs when I state them.
blaming me and twisting facts - deflects.
physical harm to me when held to account or confronted and he gets mad at it and drunk.
sides with anybody who upsets me and blames me,
breaks promises constantly,
drinking heavily daily/ frequently,
Talks to ex’s as friends behind your back- nothing concerning and it’s ok but he hides it when he was asked to be transparent. He’d not physically cheat I know that much.
Entitled and will not go without anything, but is fine with me going without.
spends every weekend on own hobbies and needs.
At the point I withdraw and seriously will leave the marriage, he promises changes and does them for a short time before it starts over again.
can never apologise with any sincerity or meaning, has to be told to apologise.
jumps to the manipulative and intrusive ex wife’s needs and protects her feelings, although he claims he dislikes her very much.
won’t blend our families, it’s him and his dc not us and dc as a family.

He blames me for him not seeing his kids, even though he moved 2 hours away from them before meeting me. Plus his ex wife has decreases the nights he gets with kids to 2 days a month for one and 2 nights a year for the older ones. Never has a Christmas or Easter with kids. Ex wife guilt trips and manipulates the kids into staying with her. I have tried to ask for Christmas with kids so they can make memories with their dad, he refuses to ask ex wife, since when he once did, she invited his whole family to hers for Christmas a year in advance to ‘punish’ him. Why they went to hers I don’t know- apparently according to his brothers and wives they never really liked her… She has been personally nasty to me too. She is certainly controlling and manipulative, I’ve seen it and experienced it first hand. But my husband is just as bad towards me.

I don’t want to sound like a ‘poor me’ victim! But I seriously think this is all just not normal at all. I am very trusting and weak in that sense, with low confidence so need some guidance.

I can’t work out if he is the way he is because of his first marriage or if it’s just him to the core. His dad married 6 times and his mum was never in the picture much growing up. He stopped talking to her 18 years ago because he said she was not maternal and ran off with another man when he was 4. This has got to have affected him in some way. I wonder if it accounts for his adult behaviours.

I’ve given so much to him and his kids eg - mum neglects them in some ways and I’ve been the only one sorting out their headlice for years- can’t do much to cure it with only seeing the dc one night a fortnight. Mum won’t do anything, she dents he has them even with video evidence in the end. She blamed me and said I’d given them to him. A fully established infestation on the day he arrives, fortnight after fortnight for 2 years? DH tells her but not with any force. He’s scared of her manipulating the kids against him. He refuses to go to court.

DH defends her and protects her. I don’t understand any of it. If she wants to pass across a message or just wants a chat she will ring and ring and ring 10-20 times in a row. If you are busy, she starts sending ‘ call me now’ messages. Typically she does this on special occasions like our wedding anniversary. It is never urgent and never important enough to warrant that behaviour. Once it was about her losing her driving licence! She is remarried!!

Honestly sat here thinking what the heck is happening? I feel like both of them are driving me away because I can’t take it anymore. There are many other examples of her and his behaviour obviously.
Ive been seeing a private counsellor for a year to try to cope with it all.

I find myself not coping with it and I end up reacting and yelling at him because I am frustrated and genuinely feel abused. I also feel so ashamed of it all and stupid. He then gets out his phone and records me saying he will use it as evidence during a divorce or to show my family.

He thinks I’m ‘unhinged’ and ‘not a normal woman’ because any normal woman would not have any issues with any of it, he tells me. I am trauma bonded and need the strength to leave. He said he won’t give me anything from the divorce, because he never put my name on anything. If I leave without much, so be it. Peace is worth more.

Think it's time for a divorce now.

OP posts:
LovelyDaaling · 08/02/2025 22:29

Get out now, he's toxic. See a solicitor and find out what you are REALLY entitled to - it makes no difference if everything is in his name because you are married.

NigelHarmansNewWife · 08/02/2025 22:31

What is it? Really shit.

Get out. He has been physically violent towards you and has messed with your head so much you're in therapy.

Miloarmadillo2 · 08/02/2025 22:32

It doesn’t sound like you have children together? Walk away and be free.
He is being emotionally, physically (and possibly financially?) abusive and his family is extremely dysfunctional.

Bibi12 · 08/02/2025 22:33

Why are you with him?

2025willbemytime · 08/02/2025 22:35

It really doesn't matter what kind of abuse this is. It's abuse. It's awful. You're not safe. Please leave but make sure you get copies of all financials as he won't go without a fight.

It doesn't matter your name isn't on anything. You're entitled to it as you're married so it's yours too.

cestlavielife · 08/02/2025 22:36

Physical harm?
Get out of there now

SchrodingersTwat2 · 08/02/2025 22:40

The term that springs to mind is "complete and utter fucking arsehole".

Seek professional help and get out quickly.

You've got the rest of your life to ponder on what might be so catastrophically wrong with him.

Sesa9 · 08/02/2025 22:46

I am staying separately from him now. I am going to see a solicitor and get a divorce, I kept stupidly thinking it was all ok because it had been fine for a few months but it’s clear it is a pattern and not just a bad patch.

OP posts:
Sesa9 · 08/02/2025 22:48

Not together no.

OP posts:
Nalatooth · 08/02/2025 22:48

Divorce asap

PickAChew · 08/02/2025 22:48

Of course it's abuse.

It will not ever get better.

Purplesphere11 · 08/02/2025 22:53

Sounds like covert narcissism but don't take my word for it. I've just left one today. He used his grown up kids as bargaining chips and excuses. He also did all of the other things you describe. He has a senior role at a large company. So much evil in these people

Sesa9 · 08/02/2025 23:01

Purplesphere11 · 08/02/2025 22:53

Sounds like covert narcissism but don't take my word for it. I've just left one today. He used his grown up kids as bargaining chips and excuses. He also did all of the other things you describe. He has a senior role at a large company. So much evil in these people

I had thought it could be that too I left him for 6 months last year and had tried to process what had happened and why. I came to the covert conclusion. They put the mask back on to keep you hanging on but it always slips off. That’s what makes it harder to leave but eventually impossible to deny. Did yours twist it to make you out to be the perpetrator and him the victim ,if you ever confronted him? Mind games. I admire your self respect for leaving, well done! They are very real and very toxic and damaging.

OP posts:
SchrodingersTwat2 · 08/02/2025 23:09

The good patches you describe are part of the Cycle of Abuse.

Purplesphere11 · 08/02/2025 23:28

Sesa9 · 08/02/2025 23:01

I had thought it could be that too I left him for 6 months last year and had tried to process what had happened and why. I came to the covert conclusion. They put the mask back on to keep you hanging on but it always slips off. That’s what makes it harder to leave but eventually impossible to deny. Did yours twist it to make you out to be the perpetrator and him the victim ,if you ever confronted him? Mind games. I admire your self respect for leaving, well done! They are very real and very toxic and damaging.

Yes. As a matter of fact he discarded me again. I see him for what he is and that's a monster. I've lost myself but I'll get me back. Run like fuck. Don't look back. I've found it helpful to read about covert narcissism on quora. So many victims of this type of abuse and it resonates. Thing is with these monsters they have a playbook. They're all pretty much the same. They're twisted. Pure evil. Please get away and go no contact. They consume you and some victims end their own lives due to the pain of cognitive dissonance. And you know what, their abuser enjoys that with a smirk on their face. Monsters

PerambulationFrustration · 08/02/2025 23:35

That's awful op. Well done for leaving now.
He firs found like a monster. Messing with your head and physically abusing you.
Never go back to him no matter how much he begs or makes promises. He won't change.

Thingymajigii · 08/02/2025 23:42

It does sound like covert narcissism

lottiegarbanzo · 09/02/2025 08:36

So leave. You don't need to understand, you don't need to justify leaving. You need to get away from him.

Octavia64 · 09/02/2025 08:38

If he has been physically harming you then you need to leave.

Get what support you can and stay away.

I'm sorry I know it's hard

Orangesinthebag · 09/02/2025 08:43

You have only been together 4 years and married for 2. You should be in the happiest phase of your marriage right now but it just sounds awful and sounds like it has never been great.

You definitely need to divorce, if it's like this early on goodness knows what it will be like in ten, twenty years time.

Don't waste time trying to psychoanalyse why your husband is behaving the way he is ; he's not making you happy in any way & it doesn't sound like he cares. That should be enough for you to walk away.
Leaving will be hard but I think staying married will ultimately be harder.

Janelle84 · 09/02/2025 08:44

They both sound fucking nuts. Just walk away. Live a life free from all this manipulation and head games. Best of luck

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