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Borderline Personality Disorder in men?

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NearlySoon · 06/02/2025 21:59

NC. I know that nobody can diagnose someone online. But I’m just posting here to ask if this sounds familiar to anyone? The confusion has been difficult to understand. I do love him (together on-off for 8 years). and I don’t think he means to hurt people but I also don’t think he’s ever going to seek help because it’s too painful for him. I think he may have childhood trauma due to not having any memories prior to 6 years old. This is long, sorry.

We also have a child together. At the moment we’re together but we don’t live together because he’s not able to live with me as he will suddenly wake up, say he can’t cope and take off. Which isn’t good for our child. She spends weekends with him and seems to get the best of him. He seems to be able to give her a happy time (because it’s never more than 24 hours).

Stuff I have noticed with me and behaviour in regards to work & in general

He says that sometimes he feels really close to me and really loves me and at other times he feels we’re wrong for each other and he doesn’t love me. He changes his mind a lot.

He never shouts at me but can quickly get angry and blame me for things that are completely outside of my control.

He is very, very disagreeable generally with me and others. If I disagree with him about an issue, he takes it very personally and thinks I’m attacking him.

If I ever tell him that he’s hurt my feelings, he turns on me and says very cruel, unkind things. We can’t have a conversation without him saying that I’m attacking him, when I’m trying to resolve conflict or tell him how I feel. Later, he says he didn’t mean any of it.

He blames other people for things that are nobody’s fault and finds it difficult to take responsibility for hurting people.

Will say that we need to break up, but be back on my doorstep hours later.

He will start a new job, say he’s really enjoying it and then suddenly he wants to leave. He was working at a place where he was supposedly happy. Then, he found out that another guy at the company was getting paid more than him for doing the same job. They refused to pay him more so he found another job which paid more. Within about 6 weeks he was regretting leaving the first job and spent about a year, trying to go back to the original company. He’s had about 10 jobs since Covid. He is a high earner and performs well but will get cold feet quickly.

He’s got some irrational beliefs such as, the government is trying to kill us off and also is quite paranoid to the extent that he doesn’t want to use loyalty cards because he thinks retailers are spying on him. He has a tendency to be drawn to conspiracy theories. He never ever uses his phone unless it’s on speaker phone because he thinks if he puts the phone to his ear, he’ll get cancer. This means that other people in his family often hear all his private conversations which has caused quite a few problems.

He has lots of faddy interests and changes in personality. At one point he thought that sex should only ever have a connection with one person then suddenly one day he wants to try swinging. Then he changes his mind again.

Some of his fads include obsessions with reiki, self-help books, AI, gyming on/off, diets on/off. Taking too many vitamins. Drinking too much alcohol. He can become obsessed about almost any new thing he discovers.

He takes unnecessary risks like paying for a car by bank transfer that he’s never seen in person before, then driving 200 miles to get it, not knowing if it’s a scam or not because it’s from a private seller.

A lot of his ideas make no sense. For example, if he goes into a room and hears someone coughing or sneezing he will immediately say he’s got a sore throat and when I point out that this is impossible, he says his body works differently to everyone else’s.

He doesn’t have many friends and the few he does have say that he does things to excess.

Just wondering if any of this stuff sounds like BPD. He’s never happy and it’s such a shame. It’s also difficult for me to cope with and is a head f*

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Griefinthenight · 07/02/2025 20:58

My ex had Borderline.
The things you said that stand out

You don't live together. Very relatable. I could never ever get to a place where we could ever consider living under one roof. The reasons being .. another thing you put...he changed how he felt all the time.
There were days he'd say sorry for the way I am. Without you I am lost. Then a week later he could be calling me a childish C and that I instigate all the problems.

He doesn't think before he acts. He's always in with the wrong people. Doing drugs. Lying. Hasn't worked for ages now. He has no investments. No savings. No home. No stability.

He also blames others for his downfalls. Incapable of seeing his part in anything.

NearlySoon · 07/02/2025 21:05

@Griefinthenight yeah I feel like he causes emotional chaos in our house. My children and I live a very peaceful existence and never argue. He and I tried living together when our dd was born but one day he woke up and left me when she was 3 weeks old. 2 days later he was back.

I feel that he is constantly looking to me to make him happy. And if he's not happy it's because I'm not right for him.

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Griefinthenight · 07/02/2025 21:16

NearlySoon · 07/02/2025 21:05

@Griefinthenight yeah I feel like he causes emotional chaos in our house. My children and I live a very peaceful existence and never argue. He and I tried living together when our dd was born but one day he woke up and left me when she was 3 weeks old. 2 days later he was back.

I feel that he is constantly looking to me to make him happy. And if he's not happy it's because I'm not right for him.

My ex is 51 I left him 4 months ago but I have seen him recently. His life is honestly a mess. It's really hard. He's only around for me when he wants to be. When he wants to go off he does. He has 2 adult kids. One of them has nothing to do with him. The other is hit and miss.

NearlySoon · 08/02/2025 01:28

Yes it sounds awfully similar. He Also has two adult children, one of whom cut him off when she was 16. He does not respect her boundaries though and sometimes stalks her and recently turned up at her work and started crying into her shoulder. It's these types of things that make me think BPD.

The other adult child has a strange and fractious relationship with him- he was 22 when our dd was born and he really resents her and he seems to act like a child still at 27. I'm assuming this might be because dp was not a particularly attentive father and now he sees him 'starting again'. With a new child.

I do anticipate that our 5 year old will end up with a similar situation, sadly. As he is the same person. I just think that because he only spends 24 hours with her, he puts on a face. Which I've seen him do with other people and they think he's charming.

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sadmillenial · 08/02/2025 02:13

its worth being aware that personality disorders like BP are quite contested, and actually many people (including me!) don't think they should be the primary focus. They are diagnosed purely through behaviour, which means bad behaviour becomes medicalised. This was my dissertation focus.
Sometimes nobheads behave badly. It doesnt always mean they're ill. They can just be nobheads. Its not always ableist to hold people accountable for bad behaviour.

NearlySoon · 08/02/2025 03:00

I understand where you're coming from. The thing I've noticed with this person though is that clearly he's had family trauma. He spends a lot of his time feeling very unhappy and confused and expresses this to me. His way of coping is to move house, move jobs or go on holiday.

His mum is nice but clearly has issues. His younger brother is agoraphobic, never leaves the house or talks to his family.

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JMSA · 08/02/2025 03:06

Ditch the toxic weirdo.

It really is as simple as that.

SophieGee · 08/02/2025 03:08

Are you with one of my exes? He was exhausting, the job thing especially. Always other people are the wankers. Then he’d bullshit about stuff so much, he would believe his own lies to the extent he would tell whoppers that he couldn’t believe a 5 year old would see through it.

CurlewKate · 08/02/2025 04:43

Never get involved with a fixer-upper. And if you do without realizing, step away at once.

fatandtrying · 08/02/2025 04:50

My husband has BPD, he had a interesting life before I met him (won't say much in here as cba with backlash lol) before I met him he was put onto anti psychotics and lives a very normal life now, but he did once take a medication for an illness that stopped those from working and it was scary how quickly he changed and how his mindset worked! I wouldn't be with my husband if he wasn't stable and as hard as it is in your shoes I would walk away if he isn't willing to accept help. it isn't worth the shit life you're getting from him, if he doesn't want help and to manage his mindset now he never will. whether he has BPD or something else please for the sake of your child walk away before you and your child are completely damaged

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Griefinthenight · 08/02/2025 05:26

NearlySoon · 08/02/2025 03:00

I understand where you're coming from. The thing I've noticed with this person though is that clearly he's had family trauma. He spends a lot of his time feeling very unhappy and confused and expresses this to me. His way of coping is to move house, move jobs or go on holiday.

His mum is nice but clearly has issues. His younger brother is agoraphobic, never leaves the house or talks to his family.

Yes I find my ex ticks every box under all the cluster bs. He's not particularly violent now. But he's had some straps with men that have ended badly.

In terms of his adult daughters the oldest cut him off over money borrowing and not returning. He announced on the day her child was born he couldn't pay her back as he was so stuck mentally. His other adult daughter has bipolar and she goes running to him when she's manic. She was only really in his life the last year again after a couple of years no contact. They'd fallen out. I dont quite know why because he tends to hide allsorts from various people. I think she only turned up at his door last year because she was having a hard time listening to the family members who genuinely love her, telling her she needed sectioning (which she did) but within days of her being back his mental health plummets aswel. I used to think he wanted the same attention. But I think he's just not capable of being a dad. He keft them as younger kids around aged 8 aswel. 11 years he didn't see them. You may find your daughter won't like him one day. My ex told me some stories of him and his ex wife. One of them was that he left her once for 2 weeks and just didn't contact her. One was he moved out. Got a new house. But him.amd the wife got back together. It sounds like his kids never were in stable environments. But also his ex wife sounds fairly toxic too as his kids have bad memories of her.

Griefinthenight · 08/02/2025 05:34

NearlySoon · 08/02/2025 01:28

Yes it sounds awfully similar. He Also has two adult children, one of whom cut him off when she was 16. He does not respect her boundaries though and sometimes stalks her and recently turned up at her work and started crying into her shoulder. It's these types of things that make me think BPD.

The other adult child has a strange and fractious relationship with him- he was 22 when our dd was born and he really resents her and he seems to act like a child still at 27. I'm assuming this might be because dp was not a particularly attentive father and now he sees him 'starting again'. With a new child.

I do anticipate that our 5 year old will end up with a similar situation, sadly. As he is the same person. I just think that because he only spends 24 hours with her, he puts on a face. Which I've seen him do with other people and they think he's charming.

I forgot to say they can put on an act if it serves them. He can be great with his daughter for a night. He will be fun dad. He will tell her to fuck what everyone else thinks and validate her emotions. He could also be affectionate towards me when it suited. But he could also call me a C and believe me when I say he's called his own daughter a c. He will say the oldest is just like her mum and horrible. Yet ive spoken to her and she's the only one in the family who's rational. Any man that's brought a daughter into this world and compares her looks to his "fave" daughter and who calls her degrading names should have never been blessed with children. He doesn't deserve his daughters. They've both suffered because of both their parents. They live near their dead Grandads ex girlfriend because she's more of a stability than their own parents. I could rant all day about it. He's even turned his youngest against me. When we was together he told her I was controlling etc. He's spiteful to the ones he's meant to love.

dEdiCatEdFeliNeEntHusiAst · 08/02/2025 05:46

From what you've posted it isn't BPD. I think he need's some help (good luck with that, unless you have money to go private)
Getting a diagnosis is often useless as once he gets a label it doesn't necessarily mean he will get help & most often he'll just be left to get on with it. (personally experience)
Good luck, I hope things improve for you both.

Blue278 · 08/02/2025 06:45

This forum is full of women who try and diagnose and analyse their men. Try and work out Why Does He Do That?

The men are not making their own efforts to fix their issues. Why would they when they can continue to live their lives blaming everyone else for their problems and expecting women to facilitate them and bring up their children for them?

He’s too old to change now. Is he a lot older than you OP? When you officially separate you know he’ll be out there slagging you off. You’re just another person who has caused all his problems. What is it about YOU that makes you put up with it.

Griefinthenight · 08/02/2025 07:29

The bpd symptoms of my diagnosed person were

Constantly grieving the past. Going over and over history and not looking forward.
Either adored me or blamed me for everything.

Money issues. Couldn't pay bills or sort his finances. Lost homes etc.

Work issues in and out of work.

Broken relationships with everyone in his family. No good friends. All short term friends with addictions.

Emotionally unstable. Either up there or down here. Always depressed and trouble sleeping.

Narcisstic behaviours like no empathy!

Selfish. Lies alot. Deceitful.

Untrustworthy and Unreliable

Hot and cold

Changes every 5 minutes to adapt to others.

NearlySoon · 08/02/2025 08:21

I forgot to say they can put on an act if it serves them. He can be great with his daughter for a night. He will be fun dad. He will tell her to fuck what everyone else thinks and validate her emotions.

Yes this is what he's like with our daughter. He's very creative and makes her laugh. He clearly loves her in his own way. But if he had to have her full time, it would be a different story I think.

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DorothyStorm · 08/02/2025 08:24

Blue278 · 08/02/2025 06:45

This forum is full of women who try and diagnose and analyse their men. Try and work out Why Does He Do That?

The men are not making their own efforts to fix their issues. Why would they when they can continue to live their lives blaming everyone else for their problems and expecting women to facilitate them and bring up their children for them?

He’s too old to change now. Is he a lot older than you OP? When you officially separate you know he’ll be out there slagging you off. You’re just another person who has caused all his problems. What is it about YOU that makes you put up with it.

Very much this.

move on. Let him be disney dad but dont ket him ruin your life and more.

NearlySoon · 08/02/2025 08:30

dEdiCatEdFeliNeEntHusiAst · 08/02/2025 05:46

From what you've posted it isn't BPD. I think he need's some help (good luck with that, unless you have money to go private)
Getting a diagnosis is often useless as once he gets a label it doesn't necessarily mean he will get help & most often he'll just be left to get on with it. (personally experience)
Good luck, I hope things improve for you both.

He certainly has the money. Why say you think it's not BPD without saying what you think it is?

In any case, he's very unable to accept he needs help.

I didn't start this thread to get advice from other people about whether I should leave him. Remember, I have dealt with this for years - I know it's never going to be a fairytale. And I'm ND myself.

If I cut him off, he stalks me and turns up in every place I am. This is easier for me, believe it or not. There is less stress and pressure on me if I just try to manage him. And don't tell me to call the police because they will do nothing.

It's very easy to tell people what to do - remember I'm also ND. It would be different if we didn't have a child. I have to coparent with him atm. If I ever see signs that him looking after her for 24 hours a week was damaging her I would stop contact but atm she's happy.

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fatandtrying · 08/02/2025 08:34

NearlySoon · 08/02/2025 08:30

He certainly has the money. Why say you think it's not BPD without saying what you think it is?

In any case, he's very unable to accept he needs help.

I didn't start this thread to get advice from other people about whether I should leave him. Remember, I have dealt with this for years - I know it's never going to be a fairytale. And I'm ND myself.

If I cut him off, he stalks me and turns up in every place I am. This is easier for me, believe it or not. There is less stress and pressure on me if I just try to manage him. And don't tell me to call the police because they will do nothing.

It's very easy to tell people what to do - remember I'm also ND. It would be different if we didn't have a child. I have to coparent with him atm. If I ever see signs that him looking after her for 24 hours a week was damaging her I would stop contact but atm she's happy.

He stalks you and turns up everywhere you are..... So it's easier? sorry but you need to have a long hard think about why you are doing this ND or not!
you might not have out this on here for that kind of advice but telling us he doesn't want help and stalks you if you cut him off, what else do you want people to say 🙄

Climbinghigher · 08/02/2025 08:39

I don’t really believe in BPD as a diagnosis (think it’s an understandable trauma response - which leads to behaviours that are very very hard to live with - both for the person & those around them).

I have a very close male friend who ticks all the boxes for a BPD diagnosis but will probably never get one (probably a good thing, it’s so stigmatised) but I have talked to him about his emotional regulation & introduced him to DBT skills (he was previously given access to a DBT group but dropped out after one week and hasn’t been able to get a place on one since). I’ve given him some DBT resources and therapists he has seen at various times have done the same. It took a while but he is starting to use those skills at times - uses them well day to day now. When he’s spiralling I can now say ‘use your DBT’ and while he can’t necessarily stop the spiral it does tend to lead to a helpful conversation and brings discussion of how he’s feeling into the moment.

So your partner may or may not have BPD, but there are a lot of good DBT self help resources out there now (skills cards are good and accessible) - and they can be helpful to all of us tbh at times when we’re feeling overwhelmed. And because they’re skills you don’t need to dig deep into his thoughts/feeling - can literally say ‘read this /try this’.

They’re fine to use when someone is ND as well.

DorothyStorm · 08/02/2025 08:41

As you are ND yourself you need to be listening to other people carefully and not dismissing everything everyone is saying because you are living it. That is exactly why you are making a poor decision here.
this man is awful and your child will end up with childhood trauma affecting her life if you choose to prioritise your relationship with him, and prioritise him over her needs.

the fact you have added he is also a stalker means he is a danger to you.

NearlySoon · 08/02/2025 08:44

DorothyStorm · 08/02/2025 08:41

As you are ND yourself you need to be listening to other people carefully and not dismissing everything everyone is saying because you are living it. That is exactly why you are making a poor decision here.
this man is awful and your child will end up with childhood trauma affecting her life if you choose to prioritise your relationship with him, and prioritise him over her needs.

the fact you have added he is also a stalker means he is a danger to you.

Edited

What do you personally know about ND people that makes you qualified to say that we can't make decisions and need to listen to you?

The stalking sounds alarming to most people. But he's never once shown any signs of being violent, either to me or anyone else. He's never even sworn at me tbh.

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NearlySoon · 08/02/2025 08:45

And I am not prioritising my relationship with him - we rarely see each other because of the very nature of the situation.

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Climbinghigher · 08/02/2025 08:46

DorothyStorm · 08/02/2025 08:24

Very much this.

move on. Let him be disney dad but dont ket him ruin your life and more.

I do agree with this as well tbh. It’s sounds very hard work. And you can’t be a therapist for someone you are in a relationship with. I should have put more emphasis on the self-help resources, because for anything to work the person has to want to do it themselves. Otherwise you risk enabling the difficult behaviours.

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