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Verbally abusive husband - don't know what to do

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Honeysuckle19 · 26/01/2025 16:42

I am asking you to please be kind. I know that in the past if someone had said to me what I'm about to say I would tell them to get out ASAP. But, as I am finding, it's not that easy.

I have been with my husband for 15 years. I live seven hours away from my family and have been quite independent since I was 18. When we first got together, we had our daughter quite early on.. not planned but we were in love and things were good. At this point, I was a very successful teacher working my way up through the ranks, and he was self-employed. We lived nearer his family so his mum helped out with her. Then I had to have a routine operation which went wrong, and in which I almost died. I ended up in intensive care and developed multiple long lasting complications. Because of this, I developed severe PTSD and health Anxiety. Bearing in mind we had only been together two years at this point, he did not cope very well with my severe anxiety after the operation. I was a shell of who I used to be. No confidence.. I thought I was dying constantly, I had no trust or faith in the doctors or health services at all, Had panic attacks and couldn't go places, I could barely look after our daughter on my own… he was extremely impatient with me during this time (which lasted about two years). He would berate me, me, take my phone away from me if I was trying to ring my mum on my dad during a panic attack, he would follow me around the house and film me whilst I was having a panic attack, and he would agree with his parents (who hated me) that I was a bad mother. It all came to a head one day when he threw some car keys at my face over something petty, and then ran away with my daughter and took her into his parents house. The police were called and felt it was a domestic matter, so we went through the courts and we both got joint custody. I was extremely lonely during this time - my mum did come up to help support me but she has a full-time job so could not stay. I had friends but I wouldn't open up to them. Months later me and my husband got back together. We cut his parents out of our lives because in my mind they were to blame as much as he was. Yet I took him back… But I really think I was very vulnerable and lonely and felt that to keep my daughter with me, that's what I had to do.

Fast forward 10 years, and we had mostly had quite a nice few years together. He was patient whilst I had time off work to recover, he supported us financially. He was a fun dad to our daughter, and most of the time he kept a lid on his temper. However, looking back I had learnt that I should not rock the boat so I didn't start arguments, I always tried to keep the peace, and I think in a way I was doing this to keep us all together, and I was directing my anger at his family rather than him. After 7 years since the operation (which left me with so many mental and physical complications) I won my case and received compensation. I used a lot of that money to buy us a family home outright - so no mortgage or rent (we'd rented prior to this).

In 2021 we found out I was pregnant with our 'surprise' baby. After my operation which went wrong, they had told me I probably won't be able to have children again so this was an absolute blessing. I absolutely loved the pregnancy and had an amazing elective C-section. I was in control and felt so calm and so at peace. His birth was so healing and I felt amazing.

My confidence was soaring and I finally felt like I could be the mother I always wanted to be in those early years that I missed out on with our daughter due to being so ill. His family did not contact us during this time and only would contact him but did not offer any Congratulations of any sort. A few months after our son was born my husband was weirdly very grumpy and very snappy, I blamed the fact that his mother was asking him if she could meet our baby but only at her house and without me around... to which I obviously refused. So to keep the owace I reached out and allowed her to come over to our house to meet him.
From then on we have tried to rebuild a relationship and although I don't trust her or his family , because I know they hate me (!), I did want my son to know who his grandparents were and he likes seeing them.

3 years ago he proposed. We'd been together 13 years at this point and it made sense and felt natural. However, I ended up paying for the wedding pretty much by myself out of my compensation money. This was around £15,000. He did not offer to pay any of it and if I ever asked him, he would get very very angry. It ruined the whole wedding for me and I still wish we hadn't done it to this day (for several reasons).

We got married in the September (2 years ago) and that Christmas he suddenly started to be really aggressive again. I remember that boxing day he called me an "ugly fat c*t" because he'd cooked a roast beef and I said, don't worry about cooking any cabbage with it… Things have been just getting worse since then. He calls me fat on a daily basis, he screams at me, it's physically intimidating (but hasn't actually hit me), because my name is constantly, because I am a stay at home mum and he goes to work. He now calls me lazy repeatedly. He says I'm a lazy bastard(the house is clean and no one would ever say it isn't), I'm a fat mess, I will die before I'm 45 because I'm not fit like him, I sponge off him... etc. He throws things, is angry all the time, swears etc. All infront of the kids. Our daughter is 15 now and she hears it all, and she comes down and yells back at him... which he can't stand so he calls HER names like "rat" etc. she is now having issues with anxiety and has been leaving lessons because she feels anxious. School are aware of this and of what's going on at home because she has told them, and I am in touch with her head of year.

Last summer. The police arrived at our door at 11:30 pm in the evening. We were all in bed and I had no idea why they were there. They told us that they had had a report of someone hearing him shouting at me and came over to investigate. I was mortified. We live in a lovely area and I love our neighbours who are all decent people.

He actually hadn't been shouting that day, but had shouted the day before, and was slamming doors to outside etc. he was fixated on that point and was yelling at the police saying that I must have rang the police to "stitch him up " .. he was pacing around the house and they obviously took a dislike to him because of his attitude . I was calm (I never shout as I don't what are the children to hear let alone one), but he came storming in and started telling the police that I had hit him once. He was screaming and screaming. "she hit me! She hit me!". Like a child. Everyone just looked at him. The police asked me if I was okay, I said things have been really bad between us but there's not been any physical abuse. They asked him to leave because he was so worked up. He Left the house and ended up being gone for a month because I would not let him back.

During that month, I was really happy and very confident and I had everything worked out and felt really calm. He would continue to see the kids three times a week.. Stupidly I allowed him back to try once more. He gave me assurances that he would not act the same way as he was previously, obviously that didn't last.

In the past year, we have not had any sexual relations at all because I don't want him anywhere near me. Why would I want someone to touch me who calls me fat every single day? He is obsessed with fitness and running and he goes out at least three times a week to do those hobbies, whereas I just stay at home and look after our son and daughter. Our son is three years old and has a potentially life threatening illness which causes hypoglycemia (not diabetes) which is being investigated. This has caused me to really worry about him over the past year especially, yet my husband doesn't seem to be as worried about it and almost sticks his head in the sand and pretends it's not happening.

This means I feel like I have to manage the whole thing which takes a lot of planning because he needs his snacks and meals planned and I have to keep an eye out how much he eats etc. I feel like I'm doing it all alone. My husband still lives his life the way he wants to live.. he goes running three times a week with his running group, plays poker once a week, and comes and goes as he pleases (sometimes I actually prefer that he's not here as its peaceful in the house).

If I go out anywhere, I come home to a complete mess, and I have no energy to even argue with him anymore. He is a good dad in that he is 'fun' with the kids. He often takes them places, he is willing to work to pay for things they might need, but to me he is absolutely awful and speaks to me like utter crap. He has no respect for me anymore, and I know that by allowing him to speak to me the way he does that he has lost all respect for me so he just continues. Everything I say is disregarded. He has an diagnosed ADHD which runs in his family amongst the men (some have been diagnosed but he refuses to speak to anyone about it for himself), and I just find how he acts very unattractive now, because It feels like I have another child to take care of. He is constantly clashing with our daughter and speaking to her like sh*t and she's constantly asking me to kick him out.

Also over the past year I feel like my anxiety symptoms have come back full force. I am experiencing panic attacks again constantly especially when I'm out.I hate going places now,I don't sleep well and I worry sick that my son will die at any moment if I take my eye off the ball for a single second. I can't drive on busy roads anymore, because I panic (I loved driving ) , and I really would rather just stay at home. It really upsets me because I had years and years of feeling good again and I had so much confidence. I just feel like with him constantly shouting at me and calling me names and my son being so poorly, coupled with the fact I have no family here and they're not very good with coming to visit, I am ALONE, and I have no choice but to stay in this Marriage.

He has made it quite clear that if we split up he will go for half of everything. Which I know legally he can, and I know that a lot of people would think that that was entirely fair, but I have no income at the moment (our son is still only a toddler and I want to start part time work when he's at school and hopefully his condition has settled down and is better managed). The house is paid for with my compensation money- we never would have been able to afforded this house otherwise. I have paid for our cars and all of the furniture in the house, most birthdays for the children and presents, and the wedding. I don't have all that much left and what I do have is tied up in bank accounts trying to make some interest (which is not very much due to the current climate).

I am a shell of my former self and I know it's because he is so cruel to me.

I don't want this at all. I am nervous every weekend because he's home. But Im worried that if he left I would have absolutely no one, and relapse into the horrendous anxiety state I was in 12 years ago, and be the worst mother to my son and daughter, and he'd take them away from me.

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Thatissimplyuntrue · 26/01/2025 18:01

I hear you OP.

SECRETLY get some legal advice. You’ve not been married long.

When you tell him it’s over he is likely to get violent. Get some advice from womens aid to leave safely.

But you and your kids deserve so much better than this and you know it. Good luck.

Theextraordinaryisintheordinary · 26/01/2025 18:02

You might need HRT to help with your new anxiety along with losing your cruel husband. You can do it. Spk to a solicitor x

BlackStrayCat · 26/01/2025 18:04

My heart breaks for you.

This is a clear case of domestic violence. I was in your exact position (different illness but spookily similar insults/isolation, I also cannot leave the house at the moment etc etc.) I am now finally, 6 months divorced. He has not spoken to DD for 3 years at this point.

DD will be interviewed by a court psychologist and you have a very good chance of 100% custody with her evidence (I got it)

He will not get the house. Not for years, anyway.

It is so great you have evidence. Which country are you in? (if not UK)
Try and realise that objectively you are safer than you think. He sounds like a psychopath and extremely controlling.

Report, report, report. As PP said, get the birth and marriage certificates and ID.
Say NOT ONE MORE THING to him about your plans/lawyers etc. NOTHING.

Try and get some money somehow syphoned off somewhere.

A good lawyer is very important. I had legal Aid (shit)

MooseAndSquirrelLoveFlannel · 26/01/2025 18:05

He's abusing your daughter and she is begging you to leave him, that should be all the reason you need to kick him out.

He is domestically abusive.

You acted badly taking him back and marrying him, and now you need to protect your children and leave him.

So what if he gets another woman?

LaurieFairyCake · 26/01/2025 18:09

See a solicitor. I don't believe he will get half of everything as you're not working and you've been harmed by what happened in your operation.

I bet they say you'll get most of the house as that fucker can provide for himself Flowers

He's got a pension? If so that will be offset as well

Definitely SEE A SOLICITOR

PinkyFlamingo · 26/01/2025 18:11

I have a lot of empathy for you as he's abusive. But I'm afraid I don't understand how you could have stayed knowing he was damaging your DD.

BlackStrayCat · 26/01/2025 18:19

PinkyFlamingo · 26/01/2025 18:11

I have a lot of empathy for you as he's abusive. But I'm afraid I don't understand how you could have stayed knowing he was damaging your DD.

No, happily you have no experience of DV and you do not understand.

Tiswa · 26/01/2025 18:23

Get legal advice and fast

and recognise that if you don’t leave you will lose your daughter because if I were her I would run

CatsForGovernment · 26/01/2025 18:32

What amount would you pay to save your daughter's life?

If it is more than the amount your husband would get if he got 50%, then you have your answer.

Girls raised in abusive homes are far more likely to seek our familiarity and are revictimised by romantic partners.

Be strong and show your daughter that it is unacceptable. That you do NOT "put up with" treatment like this.

He is verbally abusing your daughter and you are being complacent in it.

I have sympathy for women in abusive relationships, but you are an adult and free to stay or leave if you choose.

I have little sympathy when there is a child involved and the mother doesn't do everything in her power to keep them emotionally and physically safe.

I was raised in a home like yours and it has caused me lifelong trauma. You need to leave, if not for yourself, but for your children.

How would you feel if your son treated a woman like this? Because little boys who are modeled behaviour like this grow into men who think it's okay.

BilboBlaggin · 26/01/2025 18:34

I would definitely speak with a good solicitor OP. Although you've been together a while, you've only been married for two years. You need to make it clear that the house was purchased solely by you (and the cars and wedding) before marriage and he contributed nothing. Also, the money was compensation for a medical trauma, so in effect your compensation is now in asset form rather than monetary.

Please say that when you bought it, it was in your name only? I'm not a lawyer, but I think you'd be entitled to a far bigger share than him. He won't get 50/50.

achangeofusername · 26/01/2025 18:53

He'll go for 50% of the house. Once money is sunk into an asset, it's harder to say "it's mine" "it's his". You can bet his solicitor will be arguing that this payment was a much more efficient way to buy the house rather than get the mortgage, but that he put a similar amount, or more, of his salary into maintaining the family... if it goes to court they'll take into account future warning potential etc. you know in your heart you need to leave him. I know it's easier said than done.

Honeysuckle19 · 26/01/2025 19:36

Thankyou everyone for your replies and advice. It's made me quite emotional but I needed to read this from other women, and I'm especially grateful for the legal advice and the replies from those of you've who've been through similar experiences and get it. Just to be clear I didn't marry him after he left after the police visit, that happened after we were married.

With regards to protecting myself and the children, I have spoken to my GP about all of this. I did an econsult a few months ago and said how low and anxious I have been, and as my GP knows me and what I was like years ago, she rang me and she asked how me and my husband were and I let it all out. So she knows. She asked me if he was physically abusive - I said no but I told her about the name calling and shouting. She did offer anti depressants, got a social prescriber to ring me (who said she'd ask citizens advice to ring me but no one has yet), and talking changes.. who I've not heard from. But I'm guessing it's there now on my record and if I need my GP I'll ring again.

i also spoke to women's aid legal advice a while ago who basically said have you left him yet (no) and said yes he'll be entitled to half of the house (although might not be until our son is 18), so when you do leave him to ring them again and they'll get a solicitor to phone me.

My daughter's school has been very supportive of her and of me, and her HOY knows some of what is going on. She is having counselling once a week there and she opens up to me a lot. She finds it incredibly hard as he is the 'fun' dad and has taken her to multiple gigs she likes (Harry Styles etc) and is willing to drive her places and accompany her to things she wants to go to (mainly because I ask him to as I have to stay and look after our little boy) but he has done those things with her, and yet when he's at home with us he blows up. He really can't deal with being at home.. he always wants to be out doing something. If I dare ask him to get something down from the attic ok a weekend for example he will have a massive huge temper tantrum and aggressively go up there and throw every single thing out of the attic hatch so it all hits the bannister / walls and damages it, and I have to pick it all up. It makes me shake with nervousness.. Or if I say could you take some things to the Tip he'll make a massive angry deal out of it and swear and call me lazy or call me fat.. It's his now immediate reaction. His mum came over the other day and she walked in to a row between him and our daughter.. I said to him stop acting as if (our daughter) is another man you're arguing with - she's a child! And he yelled "f*k you!" Right in my face infront of his mother. She said don't you dare speak to them like that and he yelled "f*k you!" In HER face. She wasn't even taken aback. They're all very much loud and aggressive in his family which is why I've never felt comfortable around them, but to see how she just took it, and to see how he, at 40 years old, would yell that in mine AND in his mother's face just made me feel absolutely sick and made me feel so disgusted with him. I don't want my kids to be like that or to accept it,

I will try and get advice about the finances. @achangeofusername I think you are right in what you say.. that's the advice I've been given also. That a solicitor will argue he paid the rent for 5 years, then I bought us the house which we've been in for 6 years (bought before we were married and in my name, but I've since read that doesn't really matter now in such a long term relationship), and that he's been paying the majority of the bills as I don't work.

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doingitalone635 · 26/01/2025 19:40

I was in a similar situation OP and terrified of my exes threats to take me to court and take the kids away etc etc. His behaviour was very similar to your DH's as well and it escalated, so please take care of yourself and your children - none of us know what people are capable of.

My ex tried every manipulation tactic in the book to keep me scared and controlled and prevent me from following through on leaving him. But, I spoke to a solicitor - many offer an initial free phone call. She helped me through the whole process and is still supporting me nearly a year on. Everything he said would happen didn't, in fact it was the opposite! I got support from Women's Aid (again still in support) and when it all went to court I had everyone in my corner. Really do please get some support and proper advice - I know it's hard but try not listen to the threats designed to scare and control you.

Also, my ex's behaviour escalated alot after I left him. Report any abuse/harassment etc to the police, even if you think it's minor. Create a paper trail, you may need it in the future as evidence to get a protection order for yourself and your children. You can report incidents online now with many police forces. You just fill out a form and get an email receipt, so you can keep your own written paper trail too. Women's Aid can help with any target hardening equipment (cctv etc) that can also be used as evidence in court if it came to it.

The courts cannot force your 15 yr old daughter to see her father if she doesn't want to, as far as I understand. If there's evidence of abuse it's likely cafcass (court social workers) will be asked to make a report. This happened in my case and again didn't go in my ex's favour (as he told me it would). A solicitor will be able to best advise on all of this and your options relating to your specific circumstances.

Please also be aware that if there is abuse at home social services will expect you to safeguard the children. Getting a solicitor and advice from Women's Aid will help you to do this safely.

I wish you all the best. You and your children deserve so much better. And I will say, although it's been hard, I am happier now then ever as a single mum. There is a better life for you.

MissUltraViolet · 26/01/2025 19:50

Your sister is an idiot, do not listen to her. Your husband is an abusive piece of shit.

You don't need to worry about your anxiety getting worse and what kind of mother you will be to your children because I am very sure that you will find that with him gone, you and your children will finally find peace.

You will be okay, it will be stressful at first, trying to figure things out and make your new normal but I promise, once you are out the other side, you will be like a whole new person.

HollyKnight · 26/01/2025 20:03

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What an unneccesary, unhelpful and untrue post.

HollyKnight · 26/01/2025 20:14

BlackStrayCat · 26/01/2025 20:12

What an unneccesary, unhelpful and untrue post.

What's untrue about it?

BlackStrayCat · 26/01/2025 20:21

Nearly all of it.

If you do not understand DV do not come onto threads and guilt a poor poster asking for help.

This poster is likely stronger than you will ever be.

Tiredmomma86 · 26/01/2025 20:25

OP, my heart goes out to you-i know how hard it is. I have recently ended an abusive long term relationship and also have a young child and no family support nearby. It is tough every day financially and emotionally, however, being able to freely come and go without questioning or argument, having no control imposed on me, not having to walk on eggshells/appease somebody constantly is worth all of the hard work. I also had bad anxiety and was also (unknowingly) suffering depression, but ironically this aspect has improved in such a short time and I believe it’s because I am no longer stressed from the poor treatment I was receiving for so long. My son (2) is also flourishing now. So I think you seriously need to end this toxic relationship. You will be stronger than you even realise. This man is a parasite and is also financially abusing you in addition to already abusing you in other ways. Consult with a lawyer and get rid of him-your children deserve a happy healthy mum. ❤️

Honeysuckle19 · 26/01/2025 20:31

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I'm not sure what your intention is apart from to be mean, But I am trying as best I can at the current time and believe me I am constantly thinking of my children. I spent two weeks on the children's ward with my son before Christmas and before that he was in Resus twice with this condition he's developed. I haven't had much strength or more than 5 minutes to get my head or finances or emotions together to focus separately on this until now.

Its been incredibly hard.

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Honeysuckle19 · 26/01/2025 20:33

BlackStrayCat · 26/01/2025 20:21

Nearly all of it.

If you do not understand DV do not come onto threads and guilt a poor poster asking for help.

This poster is likely stronger than you will ever be.

Thankyou so much xxx

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HollyKnight · 26/01/2025 20:33

BlackStrayCat · 26/01/2025 20:21

Nearly all of it.

If you do not understand DV do not come onto threads and guilt a poor poster asking for help.

This poster is likely stronger than you will ever be.

Have you ever been the child in this situation?

BlackStrayCat · 26/01/2025 20:37

HollyKnight · 26/01/2025 20:33

Have you ever been the child in this situation?

NONE of your business. 👋

HollyKnight · 26/01/2025 20:39

Well, then. Unless you've been the child in this situation, don't tell me that those children haven't been let down by both their parents.

HenDoNot · 26/01/2025 20:43

He is a good dad

He calls your daughter a rat. He shouts at her “as if she’s a man”. The poor girl must be absolutely terrified. If I knew you, if she was a friend of my DD and I knew this was happening, I’d report it to social services and I’d be straight round to your house to ask her to come to live with me and to be safe.

My heart breaks for your children, they’ve been so so terribly failed.

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