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Planning to divorce DV partner. How do I avoid family court trauma?

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ShuffleShuffleSpin · 25/01/2025 09:53

I’m planning to divorce my partner for his DV towards me (shoving, throwing items at me, intentionally opening doors / gates so they slam me when I unlock for him). He has also threatened suicide multiple times (I will call police if he does it again) and said to me “tell [our children] to kill [him]” in various ways. (Eg, “tell them to strangle him in his sleep” or “tell them to kill him with carbon monoxide poisoning”). Note that he only says this to me when he is upset about the kids saying they don’t like him - I don’t think the kids heard it.

He has also behaved badly towards the children, including rough interactions and rough discipline that I personally thought was abuse and I reported it - it was the final straw for me, but police told me this was “parenting differences” and social workers told me this is nowhere near child protection and that their involvement would be at the voluntary level and best just concentrate on my leaving him. They saw me as a DV victim and legal aid was approved for protection orders for me - but nothing was approved for my children. This stopped me in my tracks the first time I tried to leave. I felt fearful that his roughness with the children would escalate if I left him alone with them by doing 50/50 custody, especially if he was having horrible mood swings in the wake of me leaving him.

in the meantime, I have read books about family court. “No visible bruises” is one of the books, and it’s about family courts and parental alienation being used as a defence in Australia to keep children with abusive parents. The other book is Emma Katz “coercive control in mothers and children’s lives”. I have also read the “family court” thread on Mums Net. It sounds like family court is an old boys club and that women who dare to mention DV are more likely have their children taken away through men’s claims of “parental alienation”. As such, I feel that my best plan is to try to work out arrangements for the children with my now-husband in mediation. Am I crazy to want to avoid what sounds like the utter horror of family courts?

Even though there is evidence of my son telling police that his dad hurt him, they are not going to see it as reason enough to affect custody in the courts if social workers have said it is only voluntary basis for their involvement. My worry is that if my h hurts the children after the divorce then I will be less able to protect my children for not having mentioned the DV and his prior treatment of the children in the initial divorce. I worry that it’s doomed if I do, doomed if I don’t. I am frankly more fearful that courts will make a mess of things than anything else. I almost think there is a better chance of having things go well if we are keeping it out of court and perhaps asking children’s services for early intervention programmes.

Everyone seems to say “you must protect your kids” but the reality of family court horror show looks like something to be avoided at all costs. It looks like women who mention DV tend to lose their children and become less able to protect them due to the misogynistic old boys network. This fear has grown and grown in me. This is a huge part of what is keeping me trapped. (This and the quest to become financially independent from h).

as I write this, I also worry that perhaps I have developed a distorted view of things. I am so fearful because this is my children I am talking about. I don’t want get this wrong. At the same time, it’s part of what is keeping me frozen when I want and urgently need to move on from this marriage and to know I am doing my absolute best to help my children have the best possible life. In my books that does include a safe relationship with their dad, but it has to be safe.

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SuperLoudPoppingAction · 25/01/2025 10:07

I found the "three planets" model useful to read about. It's by Marianne Hester.

https://www.bristol.ac.uk/news/2009/6703.html

The expectations that the family court has, and the things they see as problems, are not the same as the expectations and perceived problems of the police or the criminal court investigating domestic abuse. If you try to shift their agenda you become the problem in their eyes.

So part of it was adjusting my expectations. It was still a bit of a shit-show but I didn't expect them to be sympathetic due to my experience of domestic abuse.

SuperLoudPoppingAction · 25/01/2025 10:08

It was definitely still worth it to leave. I have a life now. The process of leaving was tricky but staying would have meant so much more trauma and not just for me - for the dc as well.

ShuffleShuffleSpin · 25/01/2025 10:35

SuperLoudPoppingAction · 25/01/2025 10:07

I found the "three planets" model useful to read about. It's by Marianne Hester.

https://www.bristol.ac.uk/news/2009/6703.html

The expectations that the family court has, and the things they see as problems, are not the same as the expectations and perceived problems of the police or the criminal court investigating domestic abuse. If you try to shift their agenda you become the problem in their eyes.

So part of it was adjusting my expectations. It was still a bit of a shit-show but I didn't expect them to be sympathetic due to my experience of domestic abuse.

I will definitely read this. Thank you!!! That absolutely resonates. It’s like all of these different branches - DV charities, police, social workers, family court, are operating from different frameworks / theses / world views. You are told to do and be one thing by one branch and that it is extremely urgent - so you do it - and then become punished for it by the other branch. The scary part is that they all have power.

i absolutely will read that article.

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ShuffleShuffleSpin · 25/01/2025 10:44

SuperLoudPoppingAction · 25/01/2025 10:08

It was definitely still worth it to leave. I have a life now. The process of leaving was tricky but staying would have meant so much more trauma and not just for me - for the dc as well.

How did things go with your DC and how old were they if you don’t mind my asking? What kind of custody arrangement did you have in the end?

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SuperLoudPoppingAction · 25/01/2025 10:46

Things shifted a bit over the years but the court meant that they were with their dad eow and a mid week evening. It was an improvement from what we had before. They were early primary school aged.

ShuffleShuffleSpin · 25/01/2025 10:50

SuperLoudPoppingAction · 25/01/2025 10:46

Things shifted a bit over the years but the court meant that they were with their dad eow and a mid week evening. It was an improvement from what we had before. They were early primary school aged.

Thank you for sharing that. That gives me courage for addressing my situation. My biggest fear - and I go back and forth between thinking it’s irrational - is losing custody if I mention any of my concerns about safety.

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SuperLoudPoppingAction · 25/01/2025 10:56

I think if you have support for the abuse - women's aid etc - having that outlet means you can keep family court focused on "best interests of the children" type arguments.

I found there was enough in his emails to me and his conduct that I didn't really need to say anything myself about the abuse in terms of it impacting the dc.
Judges are meant to be getting trained to understand more about it, but I think they like to be the ones to work it out, rather than you coming across like you want to use the court as a forum to air your misgivings and grievances. The nice thing about my ex being so unhinged was, if I stayed calm and stuck to the facts and let my solicitor guide me, my ex kicked off and looked unreasonable.

Titasaducksarse · 25/01/2025 11:04

As a magistrate I can assure you we take domestic abuse cases incredibly seriously with the child at the heart of any decision we make. As a female and ex social worker I'm actually heartened by decisions and the thinking my fellow JPs make who don't have the same background knowledge as myself.

However, we are also guided by other professionals eg CAFCASS or social services as to their recommendations.

What sometimes muddies the water is where 'lesser' issues are thrown into the mix rather than the parent focusing on factual main issues.

ShuffleShuffleSpin · 25/01/2025 11:57

SuperLoudPoppingAction · 25/01/2025 10:56

I think if you have support for the abuse - women's aid etc - having that outlet means you can keep family court focused on "best interests of the children" type arguments.

I found there was enough in his emails to me and his conduct that I didn't really need to say anything myself about the abuse in terms of it impacting the dc.
Judges are meant to be getting trained to understand more about it, but I think they like to be the ones to work it out, rather than you coming across like you want to use the court as a forum to air your misgivings and grievances. The nice thing about my ex being so unhinged was, if I stayed calm and stuck to the facts and let my solicitor guide me, my ex kicked off and looked unreasonable.

This is a very helpful reply. Thank you. It absolutely is a good point to keep court focussed on best interests of the children and to ensure this by making sure I am getting my emotional need for support met separately so I can keep a clear head about it.

The truth is that I am afraid of my partner AND afraid of his reactions towards the children. Because I tried to leave him, he became open to going to counselling for himself and began to admit to the abuse and became more honest about the horrible abuse that took place in his own home as a child. It took him over 9 months to apologise to our son for something he had done to our son (and then gaslighted our son and denied it), but he finally did apologise and own up to his behaviour. Our son wept. The counsellor said progress will be slow and it will be a long road. I have to leave him to survive.

Everyone says these men don’t change. I can’t possible trust him after the things he has done over many years. But it makes me feel like I’m deserting and neglecting my children if I “let them” see him (not even sure if I have the legal power not to “let them”). I also think that he does many good and kind things for them. All of that adds so much to the confusion. The ideal is that kids can see their dad and that he is safe. Of course. I’m worried about whether he will be safe.

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ShuffleShuffleSpin · 25/01/2025 12:00

Titasaducksarse · 25/01/2025 11:04

As a magistrate I can assure you we take domestic abuse cases incredibly seriously with the child at the heart of any decision we make. As a female and ex social worker I'm actually heartened by decisions and the thinking my fellow JPs make who don't have the same background knowledge as myself.

However, we are also guided by other professionals eg CAFCASS or social services as to their recommendations.

What sometimes muddies the water is where 'lesser' issues are thrown into the mix rather than the parent focusing on factual main issues.

Edited

It’s very helpful to have your perspective on here. Thank you. Good point again hi lighting the importance of keeping court on the best interests of the children and not letting other peripheral issues muddy the water.

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TipsyJoker · 25/01/2025 14:21

Titasaducksarse · 25/01/2025 11:04

As a magistrate I can assure you we take domestic abuse cases incredibly seriously with the child at the heart of any decision we make. As a female and ex social worker I'm actually heartened by decisions and the thinking my fellow JPs make who don't have the same background knowledge as myself.

However, we are also guided by other professionals eg CAFCASS or social services as to their recommendations.

What sometimes muddies the water is where 'lesser' issues are thrown into the mix rather than the parent focusing on factual main issues.

Edited

My experience of family court and that of many women I work with who have been abused by their children’s fathers, has been horrific. And this was because our children were made to see abusive fathers because of their parental rights, not because it was best for the children. How can it possibly be best for a child to be sent to an abusive man who will continue to use that child as a weapon to carry out post separation abuse of the mother? How can it be best for a child to be sent to an abuser who will scream and shout at them, smash up their toys and threaten them with more if they can’t behave as the abuser sees fit, despite being diagnosed AuDHD and unable to manage what’s being asked of them? How is it best for a child to be sent to an abuser who doesn’t accept their AuDHD diagnosis and the child has to mask whilst there and comes home completely dysregulated, requiring days to get back to emotional stability, only to be sent back a few days later? How is this best for these children’s mental health? Courts are so far behind in understanding the trauma that these women and children are put through, after already being traumatised and are let down time and again by the system that is supposed to protect them. Courts don’t care that men have been abusive to the mothers and somehow think that a man of that mindset is safe to be around children. They are not. A man who abuses women is a man who preys on the vulnerable and children are the most vulnerable of all. When there is evidence of abuse of the mother, children should be protected from potent abuse from the father by the courts. Abusive men should never have unsupervised access to children. They are abusive by nature and they will abuse their children either physically or emotionally or both. I never seen a case of domestic abuse of a woman not include using the children as another vehicle in which to carry out abuse. Never. I have seen courts take children from their abused mother and place them in the hands of their perpetrator fathers. It’s sickening and the entire system needs an overhaul. These women and children have been traumatised. They need support to heal and protection from the courts. That is not what is happening in family court. Also, people proven to have lied in family court should face the same penalty as those found guilty of perjury in criminal court. Half the time courts don’t even look at the full evidence provided. It’s a disgrace.

PeopleLikeColdplay · 25/01/2025 14:51

TipsyJoker · 25/01/2025 14:21

My experience of family court and that of many women I work with who have been abused by their children’s fathers, has been horrific. And this was because our children were made to see abusive fathers because of their parental rights, not because it was best for the children. How can it possibly be best for a child to be sent to an abusive man who will continue to use that child as a weapon to carry out post separation abuse of the mother? How can it be best for a child to be sent to an abuser who will scream and shout at them, smash up their toys and threaten them with more if they can’t behave as the abuser sees fit, despite being diagnosed AuDHD and unable to manage what’s being asked of them? How is it best for a child to be sent to an abuser who doesn’t accept their AuDHD diagnosis and the child has to mask whilst there and comes home completely dysregulated, requiring days to get back to emotional stability, only to be sent back a few days later? How is this best for these children’s mental health? Courts are so far behind in understanding the trauma that these women and children are put through, after already being traumatised and are let down time and again by the system that is supposed to protect them. Courts don’t care that men have been abusive to the mothers and somehow think that a man of that mindset is safe to be around children. They are not. A man who abuses women is a man who preys on the vulnerable and children are the most vulnerable of all. When there is evidence of abuse of the mother, children should be protected from potent abuse from the father by the courts. Abusive men should never have unsupervised access to children. They are abusive by nature and they will abuse their children either physically or emotionally or both. I never seen a case of domestic abuse of a woman not include using the children as another vehicle in which to carry out abuse. Never. I have seen courts take children from their abused mother and place them in the hands of their perpetrator fathers. It’s sickening and the entire system needs an overhaul. These women and children have been traumatised. They need support to heal and protection from the courts. That is not what is happening in family court. Also, people proven to have lied in family court should face the same penalty as those found guilty of perjury in criminal court. Half the time courts don’t even look at the full evidence provided. It’s a disgrace.

I'm really sorry you went through that

TipsyJoker · 25/01/2025 14:58

PeopleLikeColdplay · 25/01/2025 14:51

I'm really sorry you went through that

Thank you. It’s not just me though, it’s so many women and children. It’s devastating.
I still have to send my child to his abusive father because of a court order and I can’t protect him when he’s away. It’s awful to know your child isn’t safe and not be able to do anything about it or prevent it.

PeopleLikeColdplay · 25/01/2025 15:05

TipsyJoker · 25/01/2025 14:58

Thank you. It’s not just me though, it’s so many women and children. It’s devastating.
I still have to send my child to his abusive father because of a court order and I can’t protect him when he’s away. It’s awful to know your child isn’t safe and not be able to do anything about it or prevent it.

I know it's not just you. I've seen it myself. It really is horribly unjust.

I hope things are better for you all in the future

TipsyJoker · 25/01/2025 15:08

PeopleLikeColdplay · 25/01/2025 15:05

I know it's not just you. I've seen it myself. It really is horribly unjust.

I hope things are better for you all in the future

It is. I hope if you’ve been through it that things are better for you now. One day, I will be rid of him when my child is old enough to not need me to facilitate contact. I look forward to that day with great anticipation! Thanks for being so kind. 💐

Pelot · 25/01/2025 15:21

I think one of the ways we break generational trauma is to leave. It lets our kids know we don't approve and breaks the 'suffer in silence' mode that's so toxic. It shows you hear them and listen to them. It gives them a model of setting boundaries. You'll be in a much better place emotionally to support them if you're away.

ShuffleShuffleSpin · 25/01/2025 15:29

Pelot · 25/01/2025 15:21

I think one of the ways we break generational trauma is to leave. It lets our kids know we don't approve and breaks the 'suffer in silence' mode that's so toxic. It shows you hear them and listen to them. It gives them a model of setting boundaries. You'll be in a much better place emotionally to support them if you're away.

This makes sense to me on so many levels.

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PeopleLikeColdplay · 25/01/2025 16:26

ShuffleShuffleSpin · 25/01/2025 15:29

This makes sense to me on so many levels.

Absolutely. You can't stay. You can't look after anyone else if you don't look after yourself first. Your children will benefit to see you showing them that.

Titasaducksarse · 25/01/2025 16:58

TipsyJoker · 25/01/2025 14:21

My experience of family court and that of many women I work with who have been abused by their children’s fathers, has been horrific. And this was because our children were made to see abusive fathers because of their parental rights, not because it was best for the children. How can it possibly be best for a child to be sent to an abusive man who will continue to use that child as a weapon to carry out post separation abuse of the mother? How can it be best for a child to be sent to an abuser who will scream and shout at them, smash up their toys and threaten them with more if they can’t behave as the abuser sees fit, despite being diagnosed AuDHD and unable to manage what’s being asked of them? How is it best for a child to be sent to an abuser who doesn’t accept their AuDHD diagnosis and the child has to mask whilst there and comes home completely dysregulated, requiring days to get back to emotional stability, only to be sent back a few days later? How is this best for these children’s mental health? Courts are so far behind in understanding the trauma that these women and children are put through, after already being traumatised and are let down time and again by the system that is supposed to protect them. Courts don’t care that men have been abusive to the mothers and somehow think that a man of that mindset is safe to be around children. They are not. A man who abuses women is a man who preys on the vulnerable and children are the most vulnerable of all. When there is evidence of abuse of the mother, children should be protected from potent abuse from the father by the courts. Abusive men should never have unsupervised access to children. They are abusive by nature and they will abuse their children either physically or emotionally or both. I never seen a case of domestic abuse of a woman not include using the children as another vehicle in which to carry out abuse. Never. I have seen courts take children from their abused mother and place them in the hands of their perpetrator fathers. It’s sickening and the entire system needs an overhaul. These women and children have been traumatised. They need support to heal and protection from the courts. That is not what is happening in family court. Also, people proven to have lied in family court should face the same penalty as those found guilty of perjury in criminal court. Half the time courts don’t even look at the full evidence provided. It’s a disgrace.

I'm sorry you've had that experience. This hasn't been mine.

pickles2010 · 24/03/2025 15:11

I think your husband will certainly try to make you believe that the Family Court in the UK is going to screw you over, but in reality, I do not believe this is the case. I think you should contact Women's Aid, you must also log every threat and every incident date/time on a s/sheet that is password protected, you need evidence as he sounds beyond vile and you also sound very scared which is so sad - I am so sorry and I have been there! The Police (IMO) are useless and just believe whoever shouts the loudest or is more convincing, which is usually the man who is unaffected by the emotional turmoil of what he is doing to the children. My own experience of UK social services was brilliant, I was scared to get them involved but within 10 minutes - the social worker could see exactly what was going on and that my Ex was the abuser and she went to town on him and went beyond her job to help me and the kids. Mediators IMO are not very good with DV cases as their entire training is about 'not taking a side'. Clearly when there is DV on one side, there is a side to pick! Do not be afraid of Family Court - the judges and magistrates know what they are doing and will always act in the best interests of the children. Don't go 50/50 - your Ex won't cope and the kids will suffer. Better for the kids they are with you and Ex has to pay you proper child maintenance and spousal maintenance too if your income is lower than his. Good luck and stay strong for the kids and eventually you will feel happy again and free!!!!!

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