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Stay or go - have I done enough to address issues in the relationship?

19 replies

copticstitch · 16/01/2025 23:13

I have been with my partner for almost 15 years and we have a 6 year old. I struggled after our child was born - I had depression, struggled with breastfeeding, and felt unsupported by my partner who quickly went back to work despite my asking him to take more time off. Since then I have felt resentful towards my partner, I have lost interest in sex, and the relationship has deteriorated. We get on fine on a day to day level, we parent our child who is a happy, fiesty 6 year old, and the machinery of the relationship works very well. When our child was 1 my partner had a conversation with me about sex as I had not felt any interest in it since giving birth (a straightforward birth - I had an episiotomy which has healed into a small scar, no other lasting physical effects). Essentially he said if we weren't having sex then maybe this was the end of the relationship. At the time I could not face this, I was still recovering mentally from depression, feeling totally flattened by being a parent, and could not imagine managing as a single parent, so I started having sex with my partner again. I could tell when he was going to ask me and would psych myself up, and basically thoughout the whole thing would be talking to myself silently, saying 'it's ok, you can do this, it's ok'. Finally last year I realised I could not longer do this and started being a lot more open about my feelings and how things have been for me - which has been hard for my partner to hear. Most conversations become aboout him feeling emotional over what I am saying to him, and me feeling bad for telling him things that he finds hard, and we end up stuck like that. I started having counselling early last year which was partly what encouraged me to be more open. I also met someone who i felt strongly attracted to, and although nothing happened with this person and I kept my feelings very much in my own mind, i felt my sexuality was waking up again after being dormant for so long. I tried to apply these feelings back into the relationship with my partner, but I just can't face sex again after years of making myself go through with it and feeling like my discomfort with sex was unimportant or unnoticed. My partner and I have started couples counselling specifically about our sexual relationship this January. I am determined that I won't let myself end up back in the situation of going through the motions of intimacy while feeling despairing about it, but I am not sure how to work out exactly what I do want. I know that if my partner gave me the same ultimatum about sex now as he did a few years ago then I would now feel able to leave and survive on my own. I feel an obligation to do as much as i can to try and make the relationship work out, and to try and work on the issues about sex, but I also feel an internal resistance to giving any ground at all. Any move towards physical intimacy feels like submitting to something. I swing between feeling stubborn and refusing to compromise, and feeling like this whole thing is my fault and it would be for the best if I could just give in and force myself to get on with relationship, sex, etc. I want to see the counselling through but I am frightened of what will happen if it doesn't resolve anything - it's likely the relationship will end and it will essentially be on me. What else can I do? Have I done enough to try and resolve these issues?

OP posts:
Firingsz · 16/01/2025 23:18

OP, god love you.
He's a piece of selfish shit.
You were given the choice of have sex or the relationship is over ......leaving you with a baby when you were vulnerable.
He's scum.
I can understand after years of coercive sex you can't stomach him.
Time to heal yourself and move on.
He's an awful excuse of a man.
Oh and coercive sex is rape and a crime.
Please seek therapy on your own.
You deserve so much better than this miserable excuse of a man.
Mind yourself.

copticstitch · 17/01/2025 14:46

Thanks for the comment. It did shock me a bit when i read it. I suppose my first inclination is to defend him a bit. We have talked about the situation. I think there was poor communicaiton on both sides that contributed to the situation we find ourselves in now, and complacency on his part to think that if I was saying nothing i was ok with it. His actions have hurt me, but they came from a place of wanting to get the relationship back to how it used to be - with more intimacy. He just went about it very much the wrong way, but yes I am coming to realise that to move on in the relationship i probably need to forgive, and I am not sure I can do that.

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DustyLee123 · 17/01/2025 14:48

You feel resentment and that won’t go away, it won’t get better, don’t waste your life on this.

MsMarch · 17/01/2025 14:52

You had sex for years and he didn't notice you weren't enjoying it? That's not great so I don't blame you for feeling a bunch of resentment. I also wonder, when he gave you the ultimatum, what would have happened if you'd said, "I'll have sex with you when you step up and do more"

Ultimatley, if you want to go to the therapy to try save the relationshp, that's fine. But if it doesn't work out it's not your fault at all.

DecemberTulips · 17/01/2025 14:55

I started having sex with my partner again. I could tell when he was going to ask me and would psych myself up, and basically thoughout the whole thing would be talking to myself silently, saying 'it's ok, you can do this, it's ok'.

You can't defend your OH to me, sorry OP.
This is rape.
Which is hard to hear, but it is.

Let me be absolutely clear about this:
Consent - The ONLY consent is enthusiastic consent.

That's it.
If you're coerced in any way, if there's any feeling like you should have it because if you don't Something will happen... (Whether it be a row, a huffy partner, violence or your partner will leave you etc)

That isn't enthusiastic consent, that's consent under duress or coercion and is therefore not consent at all.

Unfortunately I doubt the law would be able to do much to help you.

But..
There is no way I could continue this relationship and I'd be seriously considering court action to get a child arrangement order, child maintenance order and a divorce with split of assets etc etc asap. Then I'd go as little contact with him as I possibly could.

Mischance · 17/01/2025 15:01

I think you are both in a difficult situation.

He talked to you about his need for there to be sex in the relationship after over a year of none - that is an entirely reasonable thing for him to have done. If I understand correctly you decided to try and find a way to reintroduce sex and in effect went along with it without saying you were not enjoying it and were just gritting your teeth - is that right? Now you quite reasonably don't want to do that any more.

I suppose a lot hinges on whether he knew you were just going through the motions or whether he thought you were OK with it. It is only coercive if you told him not to do it or if having sex was a condition of continuing with the relationship which you wished to do.

It is hard to go back from here as whatever happens you have the memory of unsatisfactory sex in your mind and will blame him for that - although don't forget you could simply have refused. Many women go along with sex with a loved one when they did not really feel crazy about it (but not enough to say no) but once they are in action they find they have enjoyed it and they feel closer with their partner. It is a grey in-between area.

If the relationship ends it will not be on you - it will simply be that this is a relationship that has run its course, you two have changed as people and have different needs and it is time to part.

Alalalala · 17/01/2025 15:05

He pressurised you into sex when you had a small baby. He threatened your security and the security of your child and the family unit in order to pressurise you into sex you did not want.

He used you for sex when it was obvious you weren’t fully consenting. No wonder it made you feel horrendous.

Don’t let any therapist wheedle you away from the truth that what he did was appalling.

Gallowayan · 17/01/2025 15:15

You are not obliged to address the issues in the relationship before you can leave.There is no checklist you need to go through. Wanting to leave is a good enough reason for you to leave. Nor do you have behave in a "reasonable" way towards a partner who has no emotional intelligence and has shown no consideration for your feelings.

CowBuoy · 17/01/2025 15:19

"Essentially he said if we weren't having sex then maybe this was the end of the relationship."

Did your husband mean that he thought that because you weren't having sex with him that you didn't love him and therefore the relationship was over?

Or was it meant in a threatening way, have sex with me or I'm off!

Pamspeople · 17/01/2025 15:25

You're allowed to end a relationship, OP, you don't need to prove to anyone that you've done everything humanly possible before you're allowed to leave. Has he done everything he possibly could to make it work? I doubt it, and it also sort of doesn't matter - you don't need to tie yourself up in knots trying to fix it. It's OK to just not want to continue, it's OK to have just reached the end of the road. You've done enough x

Pamspeople · 17/01/2025 15:29

Why stay in a relationship with someone you would have to force yourself to try to want to have sex with? Is that what you would ever want for a good friend, or for your child one day? You can part hopefully as friends who are simply no longer compatible, be good parents to your child, and find happiness with other people. Please don't put yourself through this any longer OP.

penelopelondon · 17/01/2025 15:40

You're making something simple very complicated: you don't like nor fancy this guy anymore, for x, y or z reasons. You're twisting yourself into a pretzel to stay in the marriage because you think is your wife duty and because there's a child involved, it's not going to work. He doesnt sound too nice either. Leave this guy and find someone who will make you happy and who you'd like to shag endlessdly. Life is short

MeAndBoqDrivesmemad · 17/01/2025 15:46

You don’t have to “earn” your way out of this marriage. I would be revolted with him and I certainly wouldn’t forgive him either.

Dror · 17/01/2025 15:49

Previous posters mention a marriage but OP refers to the sexual coercer as just a partner, so easily dumped.
Rid yourself of the man and enjoy life. Do you own the house?
Speak to women's aid for advice on leaving the man, and seek therapy to try to begin healing from him.

username299 · 17/01/2025 16:02

Your relationship is over because you're with someone who only thinks about himself. When you tell him about how you feel he makes it about him.

He gave you an ultimatum about sex without listening to why you didn't want to have sex or making any effort to rectify the situation.

I'm glad to hear you're feeling stronger but don't believe this relationship is for you.

Firingsz · 17/01/2025 22:13

Of course the stark reality of being raped within your relationship is horrendous.
It doesn't make it wrong.
He coerced you into having sex or he would leave.
Sexual coercion is a crime.

Do not underestimate the damage to mental health submitting to sex against your will does.
It is a shocking violation of your humanity.
Please don't waste your future yrying to justify a further minute with this pig.

Viewsaremyown · 17/01/2025 22:25

Whoah. Some of these comments are a bit unnecessary. Telling the OP that she has been raped by her husband is not helpful. Sex is a part of a normal healthy relationship and there’s nothing wrong with him speaking up and saying that it’s important, and maybe even a deal breaker. It’s less ok to not acknowledge the OP’s feelings when she was struggling with feeling comfortable with this (unless I read this wrong OP, you did say that you consented, just reluctantly). But I’m not sure that takes this in to THAT territory. Honestly, some of these LTB comments are just unhelpful when OP’s are reaching out for help because they can’t see the wood for the trees.

DecemberTulips · 17/01/2025 22:40

you did say that you consented, just reluctantly

This is fucking terrifying.
For god sake I hope you have absolutely no hand in raising daughters.

Reluctantly consenting to sex...

Read that again and bear the definition of reluctant in mind:

adjective
unwilling and hesitant; disinclined

Reluctant consent is not consent.
A man having sex with someone who is reluctant is rape.

AwaitingFreedom · 17/01/2025 23:00

You cannot continue in this relationship especially when having sex under duress as at some point you will have a mental/emotional breakdown and who will look after you and the child then? He won't step up and support you, he will just blame you and probably treat you worse than this. How can a loving and considerate man not know his partner is lying there not enjoying it - answer is obvious, he is not a loving or considerate man, he is just a man who wants sex. With anyone.

Look after your own health and sanity and start taking back control of your life. It starts with saying no to sex with someone you don't want to have sex with. You are allowed to say no. Start planning your new future by going to Citizens Advice to find out your rights.

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