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Leaving husband - SAHM, abuse, no money

28 replies

nevernevermind · 16/01/2025 20:31

Hi all, sorry this is a long one. Not told anyone in real life about this.

After a long time trying to get my husband to talk about some of the issues we have had, and a longer time processing some of the trauma I experienced from his actions, I have come to the conclusion it is unsustainable and unhealthy for me to remain with him. I will not go into too much detail, but the pertinent facts are:

We have a 2 year old child.

We do not own a home yet. The majority of our savings for a house deposit are mine - his are about £9k, mine just under £16k. We are supposed to be looking for somewhere to buy this year. We are currently private renting.

I am not in work. I quit my job during mat leave partially due to poor mental health (due to abuse) and partially because I wanted to be a SAHM and save on childcare costs. I now realise this was stupid, as although I love being with my child, I have depleted my non-house deposit savings in full, and frequently hit my overdraft (although I am making an effort to be extremely frugal now in order to build up a small reserve).

I have no friends close enough to confide in and no nearby support network.

I receive child benefit, (some) UC and other related benefits into my named bank account. He has no access to this.

We have a joint bank account. This is intended to be used by me to buy groceries as we have a fairly 'traditional' relationship in that I cook, clean and look after the house and child. He deposits about £300 into this after he gets paid for me to pay for groceries, which to be honest is often not quite enough and I have to dip into my own cash/credit card anyway.

He pays all bills, council tax and rent from his salary and his own bank account. When I was working, some years ago, I paid 40% and he 60% rent, as I earned substantially less than him. He is in a public sector mid-level salary and highly stable permanent role and is very unlikely to ever lose or quit his job. Hence my being able to leave work, although things are very tight, and we have few luxuries ie no holidays or car.

He was physically abusive to me before and during my pregnancy and I got married during our pregnancy because I was too frightened/embarrassed to cancel the wedding. Again, stupid, but it's done now. I have several audio recordings of him admitting to the abuse in detail, including laughing about it, as well as being verbally abusive.

I was 20 and he nearly 30 when we met, and was struggling with many mental health issues which I continued to deal with for the first few years of our relationship, although I have got much better at coping and being resilient in the last 2 years. He often weaponised these issues against me to paint me as unreasonable and in need of controlling, and I would expect him in a divorce to throw as much of this (admittedly very messy) shit at me to contest any custody or financial arrangements I asked for. However, I believe the recordings of him laughing about the abuse would likely prove enough of a deterrent to him doing this.

My current financial situation is that I have about £2500 in credit card debt and receive just over £400 a month in benefits. There has been a lot of travel to family events recently - we live in a different country (within the UK) to all of our family, and as I mentioned dont have a car, so flights and train travel make up the bulk of my expenses - I pay when we travel to see my relatives. My child is not eligible where we are to receive funded childcare hours, and there just isn't the spare cash to put him in nursery until then. I am working on my own career, but it's a long term thing with lots of study which will take years to come to fruition - I'd be happy to do any job if I knew I could get childcare, but will have to wait until next year for that. I know if I left I would most likely be eligible for more UC until my child is 3, but that would all be eaten by rent and bills of living alone.

I do have 2 materially supportive parents, who live far from each other but have both helped in their way. I know either of them would be happy for me and my child to come and stay with them, and either would be happy in this scenario to loan me money for a landlord deposit/solicitors fees, or be a guarantor for a rented flat. I am very privileged in this way. However, as I said they live far away. I don't wish to deprive my husband of access to his child. Despite everything, he is a very good father, and I would prefer things not to get acrimonious. I grew up in a broken home and the effect it had on me was a major reason I was reticent to consider divorce/separation for so long.

My current plan is to basically spend nothing over the next 12 months if I can help it, pay off my credit card debt, and see if I can find some paying work to fit around being a full-time mother. I am considering resorting to sex work but am willing to be talked out of this if anyone has a better alternative. I can't see it being feasible to leave until my child is able to go into nursery and I'm able to work regular hours somewhere to build up some savings.

Could anyone let me know what they think of this plan, and any obvious things I might be missing? And any ideas for remote work I could do at night? And whether it would be terrible for us to buy a home together, and then when we split I can get half the proceeds?

I can't let him know my plan to leave, he will get nasty. I have been on the receiving end of 5 days silent treatment this week, which has finally pushed me over the edge. I guess I just have to stick it out until I can afford to go. I'm just dreaming of living alone, free of emotional punishment and babying an adult.

OP posts:
Halfemptyhalfling · 16/01/2025 20:42

I would not consider sex work. I would take your child to whichever parent can give you the most emotional support and then when you at their house ring your husband to say you have left. When you are with your parent you can get in touch with one of the good debt charities who will help you. There will also be ways for you to get into a decent job too.

Good dads do not abuse their children's mum so he is not a good dad. If a good dad decides the relationship does not work they go through an amicable divorce.
If he has the capacity to be a better dad in future he will have to do start from a distance.

Loulou2004 · 16/01/2025 20:46

I'm so so sorry you are going through this. Please don't be hard on yourself. We all want to see the good side if someone we love , especially when we have children and a home with them . Please listen to me and believe me when I say, HE WILL NEVER CHANGE. EVER.
I know this sounds frightening but your best bet is perhaps a women's refuge. It's a safe house where you and your child will have your own room and staff around to help you with finances, childcare and so much more. Iv had to go in one and it was the best thing iv done. They will help you to get on the housing list and get a permanent home of your own. They will help with your debt too. Think about that little baby of yours. If you are frightened, that little one must be terrified. Good luck darling. You can do this 💪

Mickelodeonssnazzypot · 16/01/2025 21:02

So sorry you are having to live like this, in my case I did the following (my children were older, though):

Spoke to the financial abuse team at my bank, explained the rage and control I suffered from my husband after I opened my own account with them-they gave me a generous overdraft, to have a month's rent and deposit for when I needed it
Found a rental and kept it secret (did viewings in my lunch break or on the way home/straight after work or whilst going to the supermarket)
Furnished it with charity shop stuff
Took out credit with ao.online for white goods and a TV, repaid at my own pace in a year
Claimed UC on the day I left and transferred CB into my account the day I left
Applied for and was granted a UC advance payment for furniture/emergency cash (repaid in a year as a small amount deducted from UC each month)

With regards to UC and rent/bills:
You can apply for social tariffs for your phone (I pay £20 a month with BT for a landline, broadband an internet use)
25% discount for council tax as a single adult
Octopus for gas and electricity (they have regular free energy sessions and lots of help and support)
Social tariff for water bill (United Utilities)
Warm Home payment in the winter due to UC (£150)
I found I could live very cheaply once I was shopping for myself and my children

Please don't put your life and health at risk, find somewhere to rent and perhaps pay off your credit card to remove the worry this is causing you. If you look at a benefit calculator, you should find this is doable.
Personally, I would abandon any plans of waiting a year or buying a house together. This man is your enemy.

MeAndBoqDrivesmemad · 16/01/2025 21:13

You should go to your parents. It’s a really bad decision to stay nearby to facilitate his relationship with your daughter. If he cared about her he wouldn’t have abused you.
I wouldn’t want him to see her at all.

He will not stop being abusive when you seperate, he’ll get worse. The more distance between you the better.

Dont stay just for his convenience. He can travel surely.

Shinyandnew1 · 16/01/2025 21:22

Don’t buy a house with a husband that you intend to split up with and sell it!

Go and live with your parents and start again.

Springflowersmakeforbetterhours · 16/01/2025 21:26

Some banks allow you to access emergency funds.... Royal mail can redirect mail in dv situations..
Be honest with your family... My dgm loaned me money to get a rental property..

TiramisuThief · 16/01/2025 21:26

A good dad doesn't abuse his child's mum.

Stop trying to be "fair", you will put yourself in poverty bending over backwards for this guy

Get some DV support and go to whichever parent can help long term

Rebuild your career. Best of luck OP.

bluey07 · 16/01/2025 21:37

Can you use your £16k savings to leave him?

category12 · 16/01/2025 21:51

Imagine his reaction if he catches on to you doing sex work. You could get dead.

Also consider it being used against you over who has care of your child.

This man is not a good dad - and when your child is older and has opinions of their own - he may be controlling/emotionally abusive towards them as well.

Go to one of your parents.

category12 · 16/01/2025 22:06

Also, yes, I think buying a home together would be madness.

It takes a long time and then turning round and wanting to sell will be costly in a short time frame. And if he makes it difficult to sell up, it could take years with your money tied up in a property where you're being terrorised or that you can't live in.

Use your deposit money for setting yourself up somewhere with your baby.

EarthSight · 16/01/2025 22:18

He was physically abusive to me before and during my pregnancy and I got married during our pregnancy

I don't wish to deprive my husband of access to his child

A man who is willing to be physically abusive to the mother of his child, especially when she's pregnant and at her most vulnerable is a bully and not safe to be around children. Keeping contact with him is at you and your child's risk. I understand why you wouldn't want that upheaval & drama, but I think you need to consider it if you all live within the U.K.

I do have 2 materially supportive parents, who live far from each other but have both helped in their way. I know either of them would be happy for me and my child to come and stay with them, and either would be happy in this scenario to loan me money for a landlord deposit/solicitors fees, or be a guarantor for a rented flat. I am very privileged in this way

So many women don't have that support network. I'd use it whilst it's still there to get yourself on track, because they won't be here one day to help.

Don't do prostitution. Don't call it sex work because that sanitises it. Yo haven't come to that desperate point yet, and once you do something like that, you'll never be able to wipe away those memories. If he finds out, he will absolutely use that against you in a custody battle, you can guarantee it.

Bewareofthisonetoo · 16/01/2025 22:22

How do you have credit card debt when you have savings-why not just pay that off?

Catoo · 16/01/2025 22:29

Don’t do prostitution, obviously. How would you do this without him noticing anyway?

The practical advice from @Mickelodeonssnazzypot is top notch.

Don’t buy a house with him. Too messy and will take ages to get your money back and you lose moving costs, stamp duty, solicitor fees etc that you won’t get back in equity in such a short time frame. Keep your £16k ring fenced for you only.

Move to your most supportive parent or the closest one. Squirrel some stuff that he won’t notice is gone (or say it’s for charity shop) over to your parent’s place first in a secret mission. Then go for a week holiday but ‘decide’ to stay.

You can finish your study, get a job, find childcare, move to your own place, one step at a time once you’re free.

💐

JanFebAndOnwards · 16/01/2025 22:32

All good advice above.

You will need to do something like The Freedom Programme in order to learn about the tactics of abusive men and fathers and how to stop the effects on you.

There is lots of advice about leaving a man like this on the Women’s Aid website.

Louko · 16/01/2025 22:50

nevernevermind · 16/01/2025 20:31

Hi all, sorry this is a long one. Not told anyone in real life about this.

After a long time trying to get my husband to talk about some of the issues we have had, and a longer time processing some of the trauma I experienced from his actions, I have come to the conclusion it is unsustainable and unhealthy for me to remain with him. I will not go into too much detail, but the pertinent facts are:

We have a 2 year old child.

We do not own a home yet. The majority of our savings for a house deposit are mine - his are about £9k, mine just under £16k. We are supposed to be looking for somewhere to buy this year. We are currently private renting.

I am not in work. I quit my job during mat leave partially due to poor mental health (due to abuse) and partially because I wanted to be a SAHM and save on childcare costs. I now realise this was stupid, as although I love being with my child, I have depleted my non-house deposit savings in full, and frequently hit my overdraft (although I am making an effort to be extremely frugal now in order to build up a small reserve).

I have no friends close enough to confide in and no nearby support network.

I receive child benefit, (some) UC and other related benefits into my named bank account. He has no access to this.

We have a joint bank account. This is intended to be used by me to buy groceries as we have a fairly 'traditional' relationship in that I cook, clean and look after the house and child. He deposits about £300 into this after he gets paid for me to pay for groceries, which to be honest is often not quite enough and I have to dip into my own cash/credit card anyway.

He pays all bills, council tax and rent from his salary and his own bank account. When I was working, some years ago, I paid 40% and he 60% rent, as I earned substantially less than him. He is in a public sector mid-level salary and highly stable permanent role and is very unlikely to ever lose or quit his job. Hence my being able to leave work, although things are very tight, and we have few luxuries ie no holidays or car.

He was physically abusive to me before and during my pregnancy and I got married during our pregnancy because I was too frightened/embarrassed to cancel the wedding. Again, stupid, but it's done now. I have several audio recordings of him admitting to the abuse in detail, including laughing about it, as well as being verbally abusive.

I was 20 and he nearly 30 when we met, and was struggling with many mental health issues which I continued to deal with for the first few years of our relationship, although I have got much better at coping and being resilient in the last 2 years. He often weaponised these issues against me to paint me as unreasonable and in need of controlling, and I would expect him in a divorce to throw as much of this (admittedly very messy) shit at me to contest any custody or financial arrangements I asked for. However, I believe the recordings of him laughing about the abuse would likely prove enough of a deterrent to him doing this.

My current financial situation is that I have about £2500 in credit card debt and receive just over £400 a month in benefits. There has been a lot of travel to family events recently - we live in a different country (within the UK) to all of our family, and as I mentioned dont have a car, so flights and train travel make up the bulk of my expenses - I pay when we travel to see my relatives. My child is not eligible where we are to receive funded childcare hours, and there just isn't the spare cash to put him in nursery until then. I am working on my own career, but it's a long term thing with lots of study which will take years to come to fruition - I'd be happy to do any job if I knew I could get childcare, but will have to wait until next year for that. I know if I left I would most likely be eligible for more UC until my child is 3, but that would all be eaten by rent and bills of living alone.

I do have 2 materially supportive parents, who live far from each other but have both helped in their way. I know either of them would be happy for me and my child to come and stay with them, and either would be happy in this scenario to loan me money for a landlord deposit/solicitors fees, or be a guarantor for a rented flat. I am very privileged in this way. However, as I said they live far away. I don't wish to deprive my husband of access to his child. Despite everything, he is a very good father, and I would prefer things not to get acrimonious. I grew up in a broken home and the effect it had on me was a major reason I was reticent to consider divorce/separation for so long.

My current plan is to basically spend nothing over the next 12 months if I can help it, pay off my credit card debt, and see if I can find some paying work to fit around being a full-time mother. I am considering resorting to sex work but am willing to be talked out of this if anyone has a better alternative. I can't see it being feasible to leave until my child is able to go into nursery and I'm able to work regular hours somewhere to build up some savings.

Could anyone let me know what they think of this plan, and any obvious things I might be missing? And any ideas for remote work I could do at night? And whether it would be terrible for us to buy a home together, and then when we split I can get half the proceeds?

I can't let him know my plan to leave, he will get nasty. I have been on the receiving end of 5 days silent treatment this week, which has finally pushed me over the edge. I guess I just have to stick it out until I can afford to go. I'm just dreaming of living alone, free of emotional punishment and babying an adult.

I am usually for working on relationships but abuse is a no no. No way. It’s not being a good father to be physically abusive to his child’s mother and it’s a terrible example for your little boy. Please go and stay with one of your parents. Good luck OP

NeedsMustNet · 16/01/2025 22:57

Sex work at a time when you are very vulnerable and still suffering the after effects of abuse will mess with your head, and then your children’s, when it comes out on then.
He has in his way victimised you, don’t make yourself your own prey in turn.
It’s a common thing I see for women here, who have a long list of terrible things a man does / did to them, to then say “but he’s a lovely, funny, caring man” or “he’s a really good dad”. Don’t compartmentalise one from the other. He’s the same person.
I agree with others - your parents will help you. Enjoy some respite with them.

teenmaw · 16/01/2025 23:00

Op you don't realise what a good position you are in at the moment to leave. Give some of that money to someone you trust for safe keeping so you can claim UC and it doesn't get tied up in your divorce with him getting half of it. There will NEVER be a better time to leave than now OP, I didn't and my daughter is now paying the price. Her mental health has been destroyed by this man and I hold myself responsible for that as I knew what he was like at the stage you're at. Took me 13 years to leave. He was a 'good dad' too - was he fuck and he only got worse as time went on. Please take the opportunity now to create a safe peaceful life for that baby because mark my words, if you stay he will ruin you both. You sound smart and resourceful op, don't underestimate yourself

mitogoshigg · 16/01/2025 23:15

Use your savings to leave, do you have any one you can stay with for a couple of weeks? If not find a rental or approach a domestic abuse charity for help

pinkhimalayan · 16/01/2025 23:26

So sorry for you. Start again with your parents and take it easy.

ThreeLocusts · 16/01/2025 23:40

OP I admire how clearly you set out your situation and plan, but please don't wait 12 months to leave a physically abusive man.

If he wanted to have easy access to his child, he could have refrained from abusing you. Not your problem. You can sort that out later when you are out of his orbit and more in touch with your own needs.

As per pps, move to one of your parents asap, taking as much as you can without drawing attention.

Also as per pps, a man who abuses his wife is a shit father. By definition. Speaking as the daughter of one of those.

You sound methodical and good at planning. You can do this. All the best.

AncientAndModern1 · 16/01/2025 23:56

Why do you say you have no money when you have more than £16k in savings? Pay off your credit card, leave him and go to one of your parents. If he didn’t want you to moves away he shouldn’t have started knocking you about.

Nightmarewithdelirium · 17/01/2025 00:05

You need to keep yourself safe. Don't start worrying about 'depriving him of access to hus child' !! That can be sorted out in the long term. The most important thing to you and to your son, is that you are in a safe and secure position.
Please move back in with one of your parents and build things up from there. Do not tell him you are going. Leave when he is at work and contact him once you are safe at your parents house with your child
MAKE SURE YOU TAKE YOUR SONS PASSPORT WITH YOU. If he does not have a passport make sure you have applied for and got one for him before you leave or else he will be able to do this.
Make sure you CHANGE ALL THE PASSWORDS ON YOUR BANK ACCOUNTS AND EMAIL ETC immediately before you go. Even if you don't think he knows them you need to do this.
Do not inform anyone but your parent that you are leaving until you have left.
Be aware that abuse can get worse when you try to leave. So absolutely do not give any hint that you are leaving.
Inform him only when you and your son are safe at your parents.
Please do not have empathy for him at this point. He will try and control you with it. You need to prioritise your own safety.
In time the details can be worked out and the details of how he will see his child again will be worked out. But do not think of that right now. Just prioritise getting away from the situation and being in an environment where you are safe and secure and can start to build a life for yourself. I also recommend timing this as he puts the 300 in the joint account. Take it out in cash immediately before you leave. Because you can bet you won't be seeing a penny in support from him for some time. Be prepared that he is going to be very very angry. Don't engage. Once you are in a safe place with your parent and child, just send him a message to let him know that you have left and you want a divorce. Do not answer calls. Tell him to communicate with you via email. Every communication should be in writing and you should save copies of all of it. Do not meet up with him or answer calls. Work with your parent to find a good divorce lawyer.

MotherOfRatios · 17/01/2025 00:07

Sending love, but you need to leave and build your own life. Get a divorce get legal advice as assets in a marriage are shared including his pension which will be good.

It might be worth looking for your local women's aid center https://www.womensaid.org.uk/womens-aid-directory/

There's also refuge phone line 08082000247free and open 24/7

Anything financial abuse https://survivingeconomicabuse.org/what-we-do/financial-support-line/

if you're Black, racialised or a specific ethnicity look for help here

https://www.imkaan.org.uk/get-help

All of these places can help you get further support and planning an escape strategy.

Get Help — Imkaan

https://www.imkaan.org.uk/get-help

BettyBardMacDonald · 17/01/2025 00:17

Halfemptyhalfling · 16/01/2025 20:42

I would not consider sex work. I would take your child to whichever parent can give you the most emotional support and then when you at their house ring your husband to say you have left. When you are with your parent you can get in touch with one of the good debt charities who will help you. There will also be ways for you to get into a decent job too.

Good dads do not abuse their children's mum so he is not a good dad. If a good dad decides the relationship does not work they go through an amicable divorce.
If he has the capacity to be a better dad in future he will have to do start from a distance.

This. How can you possibly call him a good father???

Take your child and get to your parent asap.

nevernevermind · 17/01/2025 13:41

Thanks all for the support, great practical advice and common sense. I think on some level I knew buying a house would be a terrible idea - and it helps that so many have said I'm in a good time and position to leave. And yes, rationally I can see that all his different selves are the same person, I just feel guilty when I see them playing together, thinking I'm depriving the child of that relationship. But you're right. I relistened to the audios the other day to remind myself what he's capable of. Tough, but necessary, as I keep making excuses.

Re the 16k savings, it's in a LISA which I would have to take a portion out of to withdraw for any other purpose - I have it ringfenced for that reason as I really don't want to rent forever. I rationalise this because as I said, I think once I have disclosed the abuse to my parents they will understand and allow me some time to build up my liquidity, and hopefully loan me a bit of money for setting up in a new rented place/buying fees.

I've been too scared to write any of this down so I used this post as a way to set out very clearly what I have - the advice you've all given has been far beyond what I expected. I have a good idea of where to go from here. Thank you so much again.

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