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I asked husband to ensure place is more presentable before having guests. He took it badly. I don’t know how to react

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S5291 · 12/01/2025 02:37

Few days ago my husband had his friend over whilst I was at work (on night shift).

Later on, I requested to my husband that when he had guests over can he just make sure the place is a bit more presentable. As in, the clothes I left out to dry were put away (it’s embarrassing that his friend saw my underwears). And the iron was put away where it belongs. As the iron was too hot for me to put away and I had to leave for work. It was also in the middle of the living room.
His friend came after midnight and I know by that point the clothes and iron would have been fine to put away.

When I tried to explain this to my husband, he really took it bad. I quickly reassured him that I was not suggesting he doesn’t tidy up. Instead, he got frustrated.

I further added that I wasn’t asking him to clean the windows, deep clean the house or anything. Again, husband wasn’t getting it. Instead, things just escalated.

I tried to explain that in the past it’s happened when he’s had guests before so clearly there’s a pattern and I wanted to address it. Instead, he said he only wants to focus on this instance as the past is gone. I tried to highlight that it’s clearly something he’s either oblivious to and that’s why I thought we could talk about it. As last time his friend came over, there were shoes right in the middle of the living room which my husband didn’t think to pick up and put to side.

Other examples include:

  • If lid falls on the floor, unless I pick it up, it’ll stay there
  • If the flowers die, unless I throw them away, the vase will still have dead flowers
  • When the clothes are washed, unless I fold them, they’ll stay in the utility room
And I’ve addressed this before that he doesn’t need to wait for me to do it or ask him to do it. He can use his own initiative. (I also work more hours than him)

Back to story: He said the house wasn’t messy. I did highlight that’s because I spend my days off and time before going to work nights (I do 12hr shifts) tidying up that’s why the place is clean and all I’m asking for is certain things for him to put away especially when having guests over.

That’s when things got worse. My husband got angry and said you are a tramp and last time why were the shoes in the middle of the living room? Now I know he’s trying to provoke me.
And he also told me he has been taking photos of my mess to prove that I am a tramp.

These photos he has been collecting for months. I did say he can show those photos to everyone I’m really not bothered. These photos show when I leave my clothes out for a day or two on weeks I’m working 72 hours. But the day I’m off, I have moved those clothes as well as HIS stuff I have tidied up. It’s also ironic that he has NO photos of the mess he makes. Nor has any photos of the amount of times I’ve cleaned up the place. Even till this day I find his mess (such as multiple cigarettes butts under the sofa) but I don’t take any photo.

Anyways going back, I asked him it was important to me especially because the culture (Asian) I’m from people usually associate how clean a place is with the woman. And I spend my time keeping the place clean. I said maybe it’s an insecurity I have. My husband said I don’t care and it’s your insecurity so your problem. I replied that I just would have wanted some support in this as I don’t believe I was asking for a lot. He just start shouting. I said let’s draw a line and if you don’t want to support me then don’t have same expectations from me.

He start shouting more and I just stopped responding. I’m at this point now (there’s a history of arguments and issues between us) where I think what is the point? He doesn’t respect me and never will. He always minimises what I do for the marriage. (His own family say I put in a lot of effort). I don’t ask him for money, I don’t ask him to buy me anything. I manage just fine. All I wanted from him was a loving partner who I bonded with and where we look after each other emotionally at least.

So I’ve just been keeping my distance and not talking much. Am I wrong?

OP posts:
pinkfondu · 12/01/2025 08:53

He has been taking photos for months? This argument is showing your marriage is not healthy at all. Do you really want to live like this?

Whyherewego · 12/01/2025 09:03

He sounds awful and controlling with these photos . Is this a happy marriage ?

SoNiceToComeHomeTo · 12/01/2025 09:09

This sounds like part of a much bigger problem OP. Can you leave him ? Would your family support you if you did?

TheRealKatnissEverdeen · 12/01/2025 09:13

MJconfessions · 12/01/2025 06:28

Sorry but he’s taking photos? He gathering evidence to use against you at some point, doesn’t that concern you? Like I think the relationship is over, he’s already working on discrediting you and destroying you

I really agree with this. My EXH would tell me he'd recorded our arguments or tell me he was going to be speaking with my mum. He knew I had a fraught childlike relationship with my mum (I'm of West Indian descent where respect for elders features heavily) and use it to keep me in my place. I couldn't see it at the time until friends pointed out it was an element of control.
I divorced but still tried to use the same tactics (we share children) until I told him in no uncertain terms where he could go.

He sounds horrid OP. He will not change. You need to make a plan to leave.

S5291 · 12/01/2025 11:26

Kosenrufugirl · 12/01/2025 06:41

My husband is Asian, I work more hours than my husband, I work 12 hours shifts and the house is a mess if I am at work for 2-3 days in a row. I get what you are trying to say. It doesn't sound like you have children. I would consider getting out now. Children bring so much joy but work goes up 10-fold for the woman. Taking photos of the mess is just nasty. However, it might be you don't want a divorce for all sorts of reasons. In this case I would say stop leaving your underwear where it could be easily seen. And stop dictating to your husband to tidy up the place before his friends come over. I used to have arguments with my husband if his sister dropped off unexpectedly and I didn't have the time to tidy up because I was at work. I was so embarrassed to come home to find out she dropped by and the place was a tip. Then I realised the futility of this aproach and I stopped arguing about it. My place is still a mess and hers is pristine. However we are best buddies now because I am making her brother happy. I just let go of all society-induced guilt, I can't be bothered anymore, life is too short. You need to drop your standards of cleanliness or go separate ways I would say. You have zero chance of raising up your husband's standards, men in general don't care about mess.

I left the underwear’s along with other clothes to dry. I didn’t dictate to the husband to tidy before his friend came. All I asked if in future if he could just pick things up to make it more presentable as in pick up things that are in the middle of the living room and clothes when they are dry. I didn’t know his friend was coming over that night otherwise I would have moved them.

i didn’t ask him to do cleaning per day. I do that myself.

OP posts:
S5291 · 12/01/2025 11:36

CheeseTime · 12/01/2025 06:50

@Kosenrufugirl Too true. I have had to work hard to accept that if anyone is judging the housekeeping standards in a house that I already do the most work in, it’s their problem.

OP do you remind your DH that you do more than him overall? When work inside and outside the home is added up. So any shortfall in standards is a him problem.

Most of my colleagues are S Asian and this sounds very familiar. Fighting generations of expectations of women picking up all the domestic stuff but also being the generation that works. Tell me you don’t have in-laws in the mix too?!

Fag butts under the sofa and late visitors? Doesn’t sound great.

The in laws are great.

In the past I’ve asked husband to help out more with chores. It usually leads to him reacting saying I’m accusing him of being lazy and he makes it into competition. He accuses me of not doing anything and that I’m lazy (ironic). So at that point, I have reminded him how many hours I’ve worked that work and what chores I’ve done around the house.

He says I’m making it into a competition and that he does more than me overall. (Which isn’t true). I just give up then because I know that’s not true and I’m not going to bother defending or proving how much I do when he’s being illogical. And I also note how he does the very thing to me he accuses me of (calling me lazy and making things into a competition).

Tbf compared to the start to now the husband does more chores. I also accepted that we have different standards of cleaning and I can’t enforce that on anyone. I have compromised on that overall. Just wish he picked things up that was obviously there when guests came over. And wish he would try to understand if I say something it isn’t an attack.

hes also taking photos for months which I do believe is manipulative. I could have a camera full of his mess if I wanted, but it’s not in my character to something as petty like that.

OP posts:
AttilaTheMeerkat · 12/01/2025 11:44

Would you be prepared to divorce this man?.
Regardless of culture etc this man is a slob and such are in all creeds and classes. It’s no life for you at all.

I would also read about DARVO (deny attack reverse victim offender) because he’s using that technique on you almost constantly too.

Kosenrufugirl · 12/01/2025 11:48

S5291 · 12/01/2025 11:26

I left the underwear’s along with other clothes to dry. I didn’t dictate to the husband to tidy before his friend came. All I asked if in future if he could just pick things up to make it more presentable as in pick up things that are in the middle of the living room and clothes when they are dry. I didn’t know his friend was coming over that night otherwise I would have moved them.

i didn’t ask him to do cleaning per day. I do that myself.

You are not going to win this battle i.e. him tidying up before his friends are coming over because you are embarrased of the mess. I speak from 25 years of experience.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 12/01/2025 11:50

I wouldn't tell dh to tidy up for his own friend. I also wouldn't particularly care about underwear being out drying, but woild put it on the radiator in the bedroom if I did.

However, that's clearly not the point here. Your horrible husband sounds as if he has no respect for you at all. I'd leave if possible tbh.

RightOnTheEdge · 12/01/2025 12:11

What a horrible creature your husband is!

I don’t ask him for money, I don’t ask him to buy me anything. I manage just fine. All I wanted from him was a loving partner who I bonded with and where we look after each other emotionally at least.
You don't need him financially, he's not giving you what you need emotionally.
He's not caring, he calls you a tramp, he takes photos and threatens to show people to embarrass you. The leaving fag end under the sofa is disgusting as well as dangerous.

Why are you with him OP? You deserve so much better.

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