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Just writing to get my thoughts straight.

116 replies

Coralsea123 · 08/01/2025 12:03

Yesterday was an awful day and i just need to write it down to help me understand. Fantastic Christmas with boyfriend, effort put in on both sides, visited both families and made sure we checked in on each other during Xmas events. Honestly couldn't have asked for better.

Anyway, Yesterday bf woke up and gave me a kiss. This is how we normally start the day but he didn't say good morning babe/beautiful which he usually does. I cuddled him but he's full of cold and was coughing a lot. I was getting a bit annoyed so just asked him to cover his mouth when he coughed as he was coughing straight onto me. He didn't acknowledge that I'd spoken so I rolled away slightly so not to get his germs and asked if he'd heard me. He said he had heard but didn't respond because it wasn't a question, just a statement. If it was me, I would have just said oh yeah sorry, didn't realise. Will next time etc.
Little later and I'm getting dressed, there's some posh biscuits over on his bedside table that we got as a Christmas present and I fancied one. I go round to get the packet and he gets there before me, snatching it away. He asked what I was doing, I said I wanted the biscuits and he withheld them asking why. I was annoyed now so replied saying it doesn't matter why, let me have them. He was pulling them further away until I told him. I gave up and went downstairs without one. He's never acted like that before, it was completely out of character. I Felt it was controlling. I mentioned it later and he had a different view of it, insisting that he wanted to know why I wanted the biscuits but that he was not pulling them further away and with holding them.

I had 30 mins or so on my own so we could get over what just happened. Then went to give him a hug and a kiss. Thought it might help and be an olive branch. He gave me a kiss back but the hug was limp like he didn't want to really touch me. Later we head out for the day. I asked if he wanted a kiss in the car and whether he was ok. He said I'm happy to have a kiss if you want. So I gave him a quick kiss. Drove to the shops for 1hr in silence. He wasn't making conversation and I asked why, he just said he has nothing to talk about and nothing to say. Which isn't like us, I generally talk more but he would normally say even generic stuff like 'sat nav says we'll get there at xx time' or 'I'm stopping at the next services if you want anything.'

He knew we're going to a big shopping centre as it had been planned and had said he was still happy to go. Got there, he was hungry. Found a quick food place and he just moaned about how long the queue was. He spent the first 30 mins moaning about how busy it was. So after not speaking the first things he says are moans. Ruins the tone of the day and creates tension. We sit for a drink, again in silence because I've asked him not to moan and he barely looks at me. I end up crying in the middle of the shopping centre, because I hate how he is today. I'm sad, confused and upset. I told him this isn't normal and how we normally act. He insisted we were fine, he was fine and there was nothing wrong. I said I don't feel warmth, cared for or loved. His response to how can he try to show that was 'yeah I'm taking you shopping that will show you care and love!' I told him that does not show love. For me I like physical touch and being close. He knows this, I'm open about this and we've been together a few years so he knows this. I tell him I need him to hold my hand, give me kisses and hugs, touch my back, my hair etc. He does this normally when out and about. I'm not meaning pda's or full make out sessions just a kiss on the head, quick peck and holding hands. We go round the shops for a few hours and none of this happens. Can't even hold my hand.
Get home and the house is freezing so we head straight to bed. He's moaning it's cold so I joke best way to warm up is to share body heat. Just meaning a hug. I get no response from this. Normally he'd be all over me giving me a hug.
I can't take it anymore and ask my he hasn't been talkative or touchy feely all day. He said he wasnt feeling it. I said thats fair enough but then why did you not say when I specifically told you what I need from you to make me feel cared for and loved. You should have told me then because I've been open and honest and still not got what I need from you. I asked why he said he was happy to give me a kiss in the car at the start of the day if he wasn't feeling it and he said ,'I was still happy to give you a kiss if you wanted one. I just wasn't feeling it, I've not been feeling it today.' This confuses me. How can you be happy to do something which is physical and intimate (on the lower end of the scale) if you don't feel it/not feeling it.
This is an issue for me, that he feels this way and hasn't mentioned it. He says I don't need to know. I asked him what has made him feel like this and he says nothing. He still maintains the fact that he's fine/acting normally and we're fine as a couple.
He said, sometimes people need space and I'm not feeling it today. He spends most nights at mine as we are slowly progressing into moving in together. But he still has his house with everything like bed, tv, heating etc so why did he choose not to go to his tonight if that's how he feels. It confuses me and as a result I ask lots of questions to try to understand and gain clarification. But then he says its the Spanish inquisition as I ask too many questions.

Now an update before I post this. He Wakes up this morning as if nothing ever happened and was acting fine. I said what was yesterday all about, it upset me. He said sorry you felt that way. To me he should be apologising for his actions not how I feel. But he didn't think he did anything wrong. I then explained everything he did that made me feel like that and he still said nothing. He didn't look like he cared and it was only when I mentioned accountability and that he said I'm sorry for my actions/words. He didn't feel like he needed to take accountability or apologise because he didn't do anything wrong in his eyes. I had to prompt him so it wasn't a genuine sorry.

I don't know why I'm posting really, just a vent.

OP posts:
BodyKeepingScore · 08/01/2025 12:42

He's been unwell and despite constantly reassuring you you're hounding him because you perceive that he's not being chatty or touchy feels enough.

That would get anyone's back up.

Some people need more time to come down from a disagreement. You needing constant affection shouldn't mean he has to give it out on demand if he's not feeling it himself.

Truthfully OP you sound like hard work.

vodkaredbullgirl · 08/01/2025 12:45

God even I am grumpy when I'll, give the poor bloke a break.

WinWhenTheyreSinging · 08/01/2025 12:45

God, just reading that was exhausting. The poor bloke feels rough, leave him be.

Also, why on earth are you banging on about him kissing you, when you don't want him coughing over you and spreading his germs?

Arlanymor · 08/01/2025 12:46

He was sick! This is how yesterday should have gone:

You: “Oh dear, it sounds as if you’re suffering a bit today. Shall we knock the shopping trip on the head so you can stay home and rest? We’ll just keep warm, eat food we like, and take it easy? If you want to stay in bed I can bring you stuff up or else make you a bed on the sofa so you can watch TV.”

Your post was all about you, about how you felt, about what you wanted.

Elizo · 08/01/2025 12:46

The biscuit thing is stupid. But apart from that he sounds like he just had an off day. You sound like you were on at him constantly. I’d understand if he had been distant for 2 weeks but it was just a day

Este67 · 08/01/2025 12:48

You soud quite anxious and have put a lot of energy into reading and decoding your partner's moods. This isn't healthy. I would gently encourage you to redirect the energy you're expending being hypervigilant around your partner's words and actions, and put it into yourself. Had I been in your shoes, I would have cancelled plans the second I felt a weird vibe from my partner and taken myself off for a spa day or to get my nails done.

Sparkletastic · 08/01/2025 12:51

Woah

WinWhenTheyreSinging · 08/01/2025 12:52

I am not good at putting my thoughts into words.

I really don't think this is your issue, OP ... 😂

pikkumyy77 · 08/01/2025 12:53

Coralsea123 · 08/01/2025 12:29

Ok, we have been together 3 years and we are not young despite how this reads. I am not good at putting my thoughts into words.
I said he had a cough/cold yes but he was not that ill. I understand when you are ill you may act differently and be a little off but he is only coughing when he first wakes up as a result if being laid down all night. He has been out and about with family and friends all week so he was well enough to be out. I did say we didn't need to go shopping and we could go another day or I could just go on my own. He reiterated multiple times be was happy to go.

They weren't his biscuits, they were a join gift so I have as much right to eat one as he did.

Manners cost nothing and just a response to the coughing or if he wasn't in the mood to talk etc he could have just said this. To me it is rude that he didn't acknowledge any issue or tell me why. Communication is important, I can't read his mind on how he feels.

We all have bad days but it isn't fair to take it out on the people closest to you who just want to help and support.

Do you have significant childhood trauma of abandonment? Uncaring or narcissistic parenting? Because what you are describing is a rapid loss of faith in your relationship which is striking and unusual. You evaluate snd reevaluate the relationship like someone checking the temperature on an appliance that might break down. You seem to lack faith in the relationship—your bf was “perfect” over Christmas but is suddenly imperfect/annoying/insufficient because for one day he didn’t do everything perfectly and model connection just the way you like it.

This is very typical borderline/EUPD emotional dysregulaton in the context of intimate relationships. It can be hard to see the problem but it is a problem. You are hyper focused on getting your specific needs met. Thats good. But you also need to be able to handle not getting your needs met for a minute, hour, or day without feeling overwhelmed and abandoned. The tendency to regard the loved one as all good or all bad us called “splitting “ and it is a very problematic way of approaching relationships. Because your bf is the same person and loves you just the same whether he is full of cold/imperfect or attuned and touchy feely. The fact that you can’t tolerate a tiny bit of emotional or physical distance is not a flaw in him. Its a problem for you to recognize and overcome.

namechangeGOT · 08/01/2025 12:54

I really do think you have been far far 'too much'. There are days when I would be happy not to talk to anyone else and if they yabba'd on like you did it would make me want to stick pins in my eyes. He's had an off day - let him be.

CollectedStories · 08/01/2025 12:56

Este67 · 08/01/2025 12:48

You soud quite anxious and have put a lot of energy into reading and decoding your partner's moods. This isn't healthy. I would gently encourage you to redirect the energy you're expending being hypervigilant around your partner's words and actions, and put it into yourself. Had I been in your shoes, I would have cancelled plans the second I felt a weird vibe from my partner and taken myself off for a spa day or to get my nails done.

Yes, I think that's fair. This level of hyper-vigilance is exhausting for you, and for your partner, who should surely be allowed to have an occasional day when he has a cold and isn't feeling physically demonstrative without getting the Spanish Inquisition on each missed handholding opportunity or 'limp' hug.

Mrsttcno1 · 08/01/2025 12:57

You sound like really hard work OP.

Angelcakelover · 08/01/2025 12:57

Some of these comments are really harsh. OP, I would put this down to an "off day" if it's a one off. The biscuits thing was really weird in my opinion, not sure what that was about, but I'd let it go. If it keeps on happening and he's not giving you what you need out of a relationship, then you really need to raise this. However, I do get the impression you need therapy and to work on yourself. The reason I know? You sound a lot like me. I can be very needy and I crave a lot of attention and reassurance from others. But the truth is it's not healthy - you should be seeking that from yourself. Big hugs to you

Kerkyra2024 · 08/01/2025 13:06

I'm exhausted just reading this.... He is sick of course he will be more irritable. Yeah the biscuit thing was weird but occasionally sickness can cause unusual behaviour. He likely insisted on going to the shopping centre as he knew you'd likely get really upset if he didn't if you got upset about him not stroking your hair and kissing you while there. Not everyone is comfortable with public displays of affection. Also I find it odd that your fine to kiss and be all over him yet got so offended when he coughed close to you. You'll catch his cold way more effectively through the kissing.

CucumberBagel · 08/01/2025 13:08

Sounds like EUPD which means that OP won't take anything we're saying onboard.

OP, the problem is you.

Differentstarts · 08/01/2025 13:08

Oh my God you would do my head in

Differentstarts · 08/01/2025 13:10

CucumberBagel · 08/01/2025 13:08

Sounds like EUPD which means that OP won't take anything we're saying onboard.

OP, the problem is you.

Oi I have eupd and I don't act like this stop stigmatising the already most stigmatised disorder out there

Madamegreen · 08/01/2025 13:10

Glitchymn1 · 08/01/2025 12:12

Well he’s sick by the sounds of it, sick and irritable.
You sound like you are all over him demanding attention, like a dog/cat. I think he handled it well. I’d have had to get up and go in another room for some peace.

As for the biscuits- it was obvious why you wanted them (to eat of course).

Not sure this is a real post… give the man some space lol! Wait until he’s feeling better.

Much like a dog or cat, she would have been put outside to give the household some peace.😂
Intense...

MyBirthdayMonth · 08/01/2025 13:11

From the length of your post, I deduce that you overestimate the degree to which your boyfriend, or anyone, is interested in the minutiae of your feelings.

BodyKeepingScore · 08/01/2025 13:11

CucumberBagel · 08/01/2025 13:08

Sounds like EUPD which means that OP won't take anything we're saying onboard.

OP, the problem is you.

Oh look. Another armchair psychiatrist making diagnoses on the basis of one forum post.

mrsm43s · 08/01/2025 13:12

You sound needy and he sounds sick and exhausted.

All you talk about is what you want, your needs and getting them met.

Do you ever consider his needs or prioritise him?

It's really clear even as someone just reading this that he needed some peace and quiet and downtime because he didn't feel well. How did you, as his girlfriend, neither realise that nor bother to facilitate it. It would be instinctive and natural to most people to put their sick partner first.

Yesterday, when he was unwell, should have been all about you putting him first. Do you ever put him first, or are your needs the only ones that matter to you?

ladymalfoy45 · 08/01/2025 13:15

I want to know the make/brand of the biscuits that caused such a rift.

CucumberBagel · 08/01/2025 13:16

I stand by what I said. I have personal experience with multiple EUPDers and it's not been pleasant. I'm not the only one to suggest it either on this thread.

2catsandhappy · 08/01/2025 13:18

Aww @Coralsea123 he had an off day like we all do.
So much analysis, not good for you or him.
Maybe what he really wanted was to stay in bed but felt obliged to get up and go shopping because he had said he would. He wouldn't be the first or the last.
That day missed its mark. It is over now. No need to keep rehashing it.
New day.

WhydontyouMove · 08/01/2025 13:19

I think people are focusing on your reaction rather than your boyfriends poor behaviour which is what you’re posting about.

You've described (in too much detail) that he was in a mood and deliberately being off with you. It’s disgusting to cough over someone. The biscuit thing was weird and controlling and he gaslit you about it afterwards. It doesn’t matter what the gaslighting is about, what matters is the fact someone’s doing it. Next time someone gaslights you, don’t offer to kiss them. Tell them to go home.

I think crying in public was a bit ott .But if your partner is always affectionate and loving to you for years and is suddenly silent, cold, withdrawn and not looking at you it’s a nasty shock. You also asked what was going on and he gaslit you about that too insisting everything was fine when it obviously wasn’t.

Having a cold isn’t an excuse for this. You offered to cancel the trip.

You should rewrite the post focusing on his weird behaviour and take out your emotional reactions and you’ll get very different responses. What leapt out at me is that you are progressing to moving in together and you’ve spent Christmas visiting families.

Don’t allow these moods in your house ever again. If he wants space he goes home.

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