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Husband hoarder

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LilacPoet · 05/01/2025 18:36

Hello! Seeking advice from anyone who has gone through this or is going through this. Sorry for the long explanation. We've been married nearly 25 years so this isn't a simple story...

I am a plus 50 woman with a DD at Uni. I still have a professional full-time career. DH when I met him was a low wage worker and we worked well as a couple bringing up our daughter, it made financial sense when he was made redundant when DD was 6 for him not to seek a new job and he was delighted at that and was the one who did the cooking, cleaning, etc when DD was little. His adage was 'all the time you go to work you don't need to lift a finger, that is my job'. He would decorate, tidy, look after the pet visits, arrange for repairs if he couldn't do it himself (I would pay), take things to charity shop. etc. I would do the garden, cook breakfast at the weekends, pay for all the bills, all the holidays, all the time out etc. It is probably similar to a lot of relationships where there is one SAHP.

Roll forward and the house is a tip. It used to be lovely. He used to care, he used to vaccum and mop floors, decorate each room reguarly. He would notice things if they were broken and sort them or arrange to get them fixed. I have a bit of time but not masses. I also don't have masses of spare money for lots of tradespeople but now find I am having to do the house, the shopping, find I am working a second job to pay for tradespeople and the maintenance and my major rubicon is the clutter. He likes to now go to play sports, meet up with friends and the house and time together gets neglected. He cooks maybe three times a week. Our spare bedroom where DD used to be able to invite friends back to stay but the room is now full of his old clothes. He has been asked to sort through them by myself and DD many times but he will not. They are in laundry baskets. He has even bought new laundry baskets and piled them on top of the old ones rather than sort the older ones out. I have put them in the back of the car to take the charity shop and the reaction has been one like I have stabbed him in the back and so can't begin to try that again.

My major stress is the clutter and the cost of redecoration and maintenance. The hoarding started during lockdown with a sense of love, it was his responsibility to cook for us all and he panicked if there wasn't enough pasta etc, so now we have (I do not exagerate) 20 bags of pasta, we have a minimum of 60 toilet rolls, we have 15 bottles of bleach, we have 7 jars of coffee. We have 7 tubs of gravy granules. Extrapolate that to all the major food and cleaning products and every work surface, every corner of every shelf and floor of the bathroom is covered with jars, bottles, boxes of stuff. The cupboards and the tops of cupboards were filled up about three years ago. The bathrooms are full of cleaning products and toilet rolls.

When I gently question what he sees when he enters a room he says the rooms are ok and don't need redecorating or clearing of clutter but the peeling paint and piled up 'stuff' says otherwise (to me at least). Recently I got in someone to decorate as he was adamant the spattered walls he had spilled coffee down and splashed bleach up were 'perfectly fine'. I painted some doors that had gone yellow (8pm to 11pm a few nights in a row after work) and he said I was being 'pretentious' and inconsiderate of his needs to change things. Previously the agreement was he would do it and I would pay for paint. He won't even clean his own shower and it has mould and grime. It must be 10 years since he picked up a paint brush. As his bathroom is the family one whenever someone stays it is a gagantuan task to get it respectable. I have to do it when he is comatose on the sofa after going out so he doesn't realise as otherwise he thinks I am critiscising his cleaning (which I am but get shouted at if he is aware of it). I think he has a mental health issue but he says his attitude to food stores and decorating and cleaning is normal. Nothing except the work surfaces in the kitchen are cleaned by DH. He used to clean the oven and dishwasher but no more, he latest suggestion was that it was cheaper (i.e. he didn't have to pay or put in the effort) to get a new dishwasher if it broke so why make the effort.

I am embarrased to have people round. Yes he does do the washing of the clothes but no longer the beds, I have to strip all the beds and clean which I don't mind, but do mind when he shouts at me that I am having a go at him by doing it. This is now once every three weeks which is a bit cringy but I don't always have the time or the emotional energy to argue with him, he used to do it every week or every two weeks. I feel like I can't win. It is tearing our nearly quarter century marriage apart. Our daughter comes home from Uni and is similarly embarrased, she does her own washing which is ok but she wants to invite friends home and struggles to feel she is able to do so. She tried to talk to her dad and the standard response is 'we don't live in a show home'. Of course we don't but beyond that there is no reasoning with him.

My tipping point for this message is that I now have had to step over a row of boxes of clothes to get out of a bedroom to get to the bathroom. There is no way to walk through from one room to the other without stepping over. The boxes are going nowhere apparently. I put the boxes of excess clothes quitely up in the loft along with the Christmas decorations but they found their way magically back down. I feel a sense of dread that it will only get worse. I know through some work I do in the community and have seen hoarders that it is a slipperly slope.

How do I move forward? How do I get the message across to someone who is confidently happy in their miasma of clutter and dank mould? Or am I am the one that should be accepting that mould, significant clutter, coffee speckled and faded rooms are perfectly acceptable? I don't want to do the tit-for-tat and stop being kind and stop doing breakfast at the weekend 'to get the message across' as some of my friends have suggested. I feel this would only escalate rather than resolve matters. Any questioning has already made things worse. I am so worn down I no longer know what is right. I had imagined growing old with this (previously) lovely man, but now I am feeling so very very sad at even the thought of anything other than that. How do I bring him back, is that even possible, am I living in cloud cuckoo land? Thank you for reading.

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NeverDropYourMooncup · 05/01/2025 18:40

He's already getting verbally aggressive/confrontational about it.

Get yourself out of this shit tip before he progresses to protecting his hoard.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 05/01/2025 18:41

Hoarding is a recognised mental illness which is extremely difficult to treat. He is also not amenable to any form of clearing. You cannot bring him back.

I would plan my exit from this marriage and I do not write that at all lightly. To him his hoard comes first.

thefamilyofthings · 05/01/2025 18:58

My mother was a hoarder. I tried to fix her for twenty years, but with no success at all. As Attila says, even with one on one intensive therapy and help, improvement is rare.

So work out how you want to live and do it.

username0763 · 05/01/2025 19:03

How do I move forward?

Pay someone to help you declutter.
Once decluttered, book a weekly cleaner.
Redecorate room by room.

Decide if you want to stay married.

WhydontyouMove · 05/01/2025 19:06

I recently watched a hoarder series. In one episode all bedrooms had been filled with clutter forcing the family to sleep on the floor in one room. It was very obvious that some of the hoarders were using the hoard to control their families.

He is being controlling insisting you live like that.

TheWholeMealBaby · 05/01/2025 20:34

Just out of interest, how have you put up with this for it to come to this point?
When he stopped cooking and cleaning whilst you were at work was the time to go nuclear on his arse!
You are paying for him to completely fuck up your biggest asset. It's all well and good saying he was a lovely kind man but he isn't now, right now he's just screwing you financially.
See a solicitor and see if you can afford to separate and live somewhere clean and tidy without him leeching off you.

BillBloodyPurchase · 05/01/2025 20:36

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MoveToParis · 05/01/2025 20:41

As others have said, hoarding is like alcoholism in that it cannot be cured from outside.
Have you checked the photos of hoarding scales? Where would you rate your house on the scale?

I think divorce will be very expensive- he will claim that his MH prevents him from working and that you should be forced to lay alimony. But the peace of mind which will come from it is invaluable.

HoundsOfHelfire · 05/01/2025 20:55

you need him to be a part of the team but he’s opted out. This would be the end for me

NeedsMustNet · 05/01/2025 22:22

This is a horrible situation to be in. Unhygienic, sad, irritating, depressing. And making it so much harder for the people around your husband to experience the simple peace of a home they feel they too have a stake in. Yuck.
There is a strong possibility that this may sound really unhelpful and as if I don’t understand what living with your husband is like but .. what would happen if you and your daughter just decluttered the bits that you can all live without the most? Starting with his clothes, eg..

NeedsMustNet · 05/01/2025 22:23

There was a hoarder in my family (now deceased) who got so bad that eventually there was only a tiny space on her bed that was free from c—-p. Everywhere else was covered in useless, valueless tat that might one day be of use / value. I do get it.

Doubledded123 · 05/01/2025 22:26

AttilaTheMeerkat · 05/01/2025 18:41

Hoarding is a recognised mental illness which is extremely difficult to treat. He is also not amenable to any form of clearing. You cannot bring him back.

I would plan my exit from this marriage and I do not write that at all lightly. To him his hoard comes first.

This!

Tipsssy · 05/01/2025 22:33

Is he drinking?

Tipsssy · 05/01/2025 22:47

20 bags of pasta, we have a minimum of 60 toilet rolls, we have 15 bottles of bleach, we have 7 jars of coffee. We have 7 tubs of gravy granules. Extrapolate that to all the major food and cleaning products and every work surface, every corner of every shelf and floor of the bathroom is covered with jars, bottles, boxes of stuff. The cupboards and the tops of cupboards were filled up about three years ago. The bathrooms are full of cleaning products and toilet rolls.

Can you get a plan together and tackle it with your DD.

Maybe you can focus first on food and cleaning stuff. Maybe sell online ot take it to a car boot sale.?

His OLD clothes - just get them gone - dont worry about his emotional blackmail. Your DD doesnt deserve to be shamed by her home - prioritise her needs.

Nothing can be cleaned beneath clutter - so that has to be the start point.

Why is he comatose on the sofa? Is he drinking?

Why cant he work now that your DD is independent? Why does he get to play all day, funded by you working two jobs and not pull his weight around the house?

How does he access cash for his days out with mates? Have you agreed / set a spending limit? I would renegotiate that so that repairs are prioritised.

I would give him ultimatums with clear deadlines and consequences.

You have probably another 10-15 years to work .... this arrangment is unsustainable. He needs to know that. If as everyone else here is saying its untreatable - I would cut my losses and move on. You have grafted long and hard enough - why did he need to be a SAHD for more than 5 years when your DD was in secondary school?

ChicLemur · 05/01/2025 22:55

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MoveToParis · 05/01/2025 20:41

As others have said, hoarding is like alcoholism in that it cannot be cured from outside.
Have you checked the photos of hoarding scales? Where would you rate your house on the scale?

I think divorce will be very expensive- he will claim that his MH prevents him from working and that you should be forced to lay alimony. But the peace of mind which will come from it is invaluable.

I didn't know about the scales...interesting

Quitelikeit · 05/01/2025 23:38

I would hate this.

Next time he goes out I’d plan a man and a van - clear the tat out - then stay at a hotel for two nights until he calmed down

pikkumyy77 · 05/01/2025 23:40

It sounds from her description like he is around stage three—nearly at absolute chaos. I agree with @AttilaTheMeerkat this is a serious mental illness. You didn’t cause it, you can’t control it, and you can’t cure it. In technical terms he lacks insight into the condition so can’t/won’t access support or therapy.

Divorce him. Trade the unlivable snd possibly unsellable house for freedom and get out snd start again. You are only 50–if you don’t get away you will end up mummified with him under a pile of tat.

LilacPoet · 05/01/2025 23:59

Thank you for all the replies. I am going to take time to take them all on board but think in reality I’ve known the path. The indirect path has been too down a to huge combination of factors.m

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DaisyDumplings · 06/01/2025 00:13

I don't want to do the tit-for-tat and stop being kind and stop doing breakfast at the weekend 'to get the message across' as some of my friends have suggested. I feel this would only escalate rather than resolve matters. Any questioning has already made things worse

You work full time while your DH does next to nothing in the house, has hobbies and clutters everything up? That’s an absolute no from me. He’s living a life where everyone panders to him, accepts his slovenly ways and he expects everyone to accept this? Another no from me. He either goes and gets help or moves out. Life is far too short to live like this and your friends are right, stop allowing this. Personally I couldn’t live in this filth with mould etc and you shouldn’t need to either.

Numsmetposter · 06/01/2025 00:22

Get financial advice first if you decide to leave e.g. your pension.

battairzeedurgzome · 06/01/2025 00:41

I am sorry, but hoarders are very sick people and they rarely recover.

IridiumSky · 06/01/2025 04:24

Who paid for all these boxes and boxes of clothes?

And how on earth do you get coffee on the WALLS? 🤷‍♂️

Puppydog83 · 06/01/2025 05:02

My parents are hoarders. They recently had people come in and clear it all, they spent a lot of money and lost a lot of valuable to them items..

Less than 6 months later and their flat is filling up again. Of useless tat!
They stayed in a hotel before Xmas whilst they had work done and the hotel room resembled their flat. They used to have a caravan and seriously there was more in that caravan than some people have in their whole house.

Even if you was to take the stuff to the tip you would find he would buy more.
It's like you create an empty space for them to fill again.

You need to decide your future. This won't change or get better. It's instilled in him and he doesn't think theres a problem but your shame at the situation knows there is.

Good luck!

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