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Forgiveness in friendships

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ByWorthyLemonRaven · 01/01/2025 11:53

Hello,

I’m curious about how people might manage forgiveness/non-forgiveness/moving on in a situation like this…

My friend and I have known each other for almost 20 years. A long time ago this friend (who has some anger issues) became very, very angry at me, seemingly out of the blue, shouting really cruel and hurtful things at me. At the time I had been feeling quite down, was in a difficult romantic r/s that I wanted to end but didn’t know how, and was finding it quite hard to see all my friends settling down with partners who they seemed blissfully happy with. Despite this being the case and some natural feelings of jealousy/envy, I would never have acted out because of it and generally tried to be upbeat. When my friend got angry she said some things to me that have never left me, and are often still in my head ten years later like ‘you are incapable of love’, ‘you are self-pitying’, ‘you are manipulative’ as well as warning me that ‘I know you’re going to hold this against me for the rest of my life’, ‘if you think this is coming from me, you’re wrong, you make me like this’. When she was shouting at me I sat on the floor in tears, so shocked and upset I was unable to speak or move. I didn’t retaliate at all at the time.

After this event (which was deeply traumatic and wounding for me) we barely spoke for 5 years. She had tried to apologise and make amends, I had wanted to but didn’t think I would be able to forgive.

For various reasons we were able to repair our friendship years later and things were good for a while. We were close again and supportive of each other. However, more recently things have become difficult again because I’ve been going through a difficult time, and the things she said to me have been coming back to haunt me and preventing me from being honest and vulnerable in this friendship. To be honest I don’t know what I’m ’allowed to’ say without being accused of self pity. I get the sense that she’s cross with me if I’m down, even though in general I appear upbeat even when inside I’m struggling.

I used to think that what happened was unforgiveable, and then somehow I did manage to forgive (albeit not forget). Now I am unsure. Part of the problem is that I feel I can’t raise it as this also feels like it is not allowed somehow and that this would be seen as guilt tripping.

I think I am a reflective person and open to thinking about my flaws, but obviously the things she said were so horrendous and largely, I believe, untrue. She said that she only said these things to hurt me and that she didn’t mean them. She’s also said that after it happened she immediately forgot what she had said.

Despite all this there are much kinder, nicer sides to the friendship and it is one I don’t think I want to lose as we have so much common ground in other ways.

I am curious if anyone has been in a similar situation.

Thank you for your thoughts!

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Basilbrushgotfat · 01/01/2025 12:09

She said that she only said these things to hurt me and that she didn’t mean them. She’s also said that after it happened she immediately forgot what she had said

People do say dreadful things they don't mean in the heat of the moment and when emotions are that high we can say things we don't recall saying.

The attack she launched on you was awful and however much she may say she didn't mean it she seems to have no empathy or understanding for the seriousness of what she said - she doesn't sound like she's taken responsibility at all. Words can be deeply damaging and it appears that she feels hers should have lasting consequences.

Well, they do. That doesn't mean there's something wrong with you or that you are a flawed person, or a bad friend, for being so wounded by them.

I don't think she sounds much like a friend, to be honest.

Pinkmoonshine · 01/01/2025 12:13

Not unwise to have your guard up when someone has shown you how they can be. If I were you I’d trust my instincts and keep the friendship at a little arm’s length.

there are friends I really love but I know won’t understand certain things in my life. So I just don’t ask it of them.

This is ok. You can be friends but keep a few things away from her. She has proved herself unreliable in that regard.

Trishthedish · 01/01/2025 12:29

I have exactly the same friend. She is so difficult and if ever challenged always says she doesn’t remember. We had an incident the other night whilst at dinner with friends when she interfered in a game she wasn’t playing. I then received a series of texts from her about how the way I spoke to her was unacceptable. I did not want to apologise, because she was in the wrong, but I ended up sending something anodine just to keep the peace as she is more than capable of causing a huge rift n the friendship group.

I really think you have to decide which hill you are prepared to die on. She can be so lovely and very caring that it’s difficult to negotiate. Good luck

ByWorthyLemonRaven · 01/01/2025 13:01

@Basilbrushgotfat thank you for your kind words and understanding. I’ve definitely been left with a lot of self doubt around it and because I’ve never shouted at anyone and said such cruel things and never had the experience of forgetting what I’d said I just couldn’t get my head around it. I don’t think it will ever quite make sense to me and I really do wish she had left the door open to conversations about it. Being able to discuss it would have helped from the responsibility side of things and for me to feel that it is understandable to still feel wounded. Thank you.

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ByWorthyLemonRaven · 01/01/2025 13:03

@Pinkmoonshine Thank you for your thoughts. This is a good way of looking at it. I guess I have to decide whether I’m able to move forward with a friendship where I can’t be really vulnerable. Perhaps the friendship would/will be easier when I’m in a more robust headspace.

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ByWorthyLemonRaven · 01/01/2025 13:04

@Trishthedish oh wow. Sounds tricky! It’s so hard being at the mercy of someone’s tempers and having to keep the peace without really being able to be fully fair to yourself and your side of things. It’s especially hard as you said when you need to negotiate them also having kind and caring sides

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Alalalala · 01/01/2025 13:05

I think you should end the friendship - some things are unforgivable. You will never be able to emotionally trust her. Fine if she’s an acquaintance you hold at arms length, but to be doubting yourself etc is just a misuse of your emotional energy.

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