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Is he as bad as I feel he is or am I overreacting?

36 replies

icyhands · 01/01/2025 07:31

Please either tell me I'm right or talk some sense into my because DH has convinced me I'm overreacting to want to leave and now I'm doubting myself.

Met DH when we were both studying abroad in country A. We are both from different countries - I'm from the UK. I found a job fairly easily after studying but he was taking longer. I got pregnant and we were very happy.

After DD was born a few cracks began to show. I went back to work after about 8 weeks because he still wasn't working which was really hard for me. We had no family support. I'd come home every day to a huge mess, really bad. I put it down to him caring for a child and tried not to get upset but it was draining, because I was having to work full time, go home several time a day to breastfeed (only lived 5 minutes away luckily so my boss said it was fine) take care of the baby, and clean the house/do everything else.

After DS was born a couple of years later things really started to seem worse. He worked for a couple of years doing a casual job but it wasn't stable and the company folded after a while. He was grumpy every day. I'd work all day then pick up the kids from kindergarten and come home after work - again, to the house an absolute tip. I'd clean up as much as possible. He'd go off out at least 3 nights a week to play football and be actively angry that he couldn't play more often, acting like I was controlling and terrible.

I begged him to just give the house a clean once a week. He wasn't working, but instead of doing any cleaning he'd just make more and more mess! Or even just do a room a day. He never did. Not once. I'd come home on a Friday night just wanting to relax and couldn't because I can't relax in such a mess. Every Saturday I'd have to spend the whole day cleaning, washing clothes, etc. He could easily had done some of this stuff while he was sat at home but never did. I'd have a 1-day weekend and of course, 75% of the time there was a very important football game on that day so I'd have to be alone with the kids while he swanned off to football. If I ever managed to convince him to take the kids on a day out with me instead, he'd be in such a foul mood and so grumpy that it would be a nightmare. Felt publicly humiliated almost every time because of his behaviour. Just really grumpy and angry.

About 3 years after my son was born I decided to start socialising again for the sake of my mental health. I'd always been really social before kids. Every 2 months or so I'd go on a night out and he'd bombard me with phone calls throughout the night, if i didn't answer calling my friends instead, telling me that he couldn't sleep or one of the kids couldn't sleep because I wasn't there. If I stayed home to watch a movie at the weekend, he'd nag and criticise me for just sitting on the sofa, even though it was the only down time I'd had all week!

We never do things together. He just stares at his phone all the time. If I want to talk to him, I have to say his name about 6 times (no exaggeration) before he even looks up from the phone. We have nothing in common - nothing. No shared interests. I don't know how we didn't notice before. I guess at the beginning we were both swept up in being in this new country and exploring together and being so excited by it all that we never really noticed that we have nothing in common at all. We argue a lot. He's been physically violent to me on at least 3 occasions, which I keep telling myself that over a period of 7 years isn't really that bad but then I think - if this was my friend telling me this about her partner, I'd say "even once is bad enough".

He doesn't support me at all. Last time I had to go to hospital for a test and I was really scared and he was just really cold and cruel to me and started a big fight for no reason. If I'm sick he suddenly pretends he's sick too so can't possibly do any extras to help out. Putting on a sick voice which miraculously disappears when his mate phones him. Whenever there is any problem I have to solve it by myself. At this point he doesn't even pretend to think about it, just leaves me to deal with absolutely everything.

For a long time, I've felt I'm not happy. We don't laugh together, ever. I used to laugh all the time. I don't laugh since I've met him. When we do stuff together with the kids he's always bored and grumpy. He doesn't ever want to do stuff for the kids. He's never ever planned a day out for us that isn't "come and sit at the side of the football pitch and watch me play football" which he claims the kids LOVE despite the fact that they really, really don't. If I have to go out early for some reason, like a work event, I'll come home and the kids will be still in their pyjamas, teeth unbrushed, watching TV.

He also makes no effort to find a job yet blames his bad attitude on his lack of a job. I find myself doubting my feelings because sometimes he does things, like he might take one of the kids for a vaccine or, say, a dentist appointment when I'm at work. And then I think, isn't that the bare minimum that he could do? I of course would have to keep track of dates and book appointments and pay for everything, but then I feel pathetically grateful like he's dad of the year for just taking them along.

So, what do you think?

PS: I KNOW he won't ever change. He has said he will, many times, and never lasted longer than 3 days. So it's basically stay with everything like it is, or LTB.

OP posts:
DustyLee123 · 01/01/2025 07:35

He will never change, you’ve been a mug for too long. Don’t stay a mug.
But what’s worrying is that he might claim to be the kids main carer.
Is he working now? Are the kids all school age? Do you own or rent?
First thing you need to do is to get your wage and any child benefit paid into your own account.

Eenameenadeeka · 01/01/2025 07:41

It really doesn't sound like he adds anything positive to your life at all and it sounds like you deserve a lot better or would be happier without him

JustWalkingTheDogs · 01/01/2025 07:42

I think you're under reacting.

user1492757084 · 01/01/2025 07:46

Plan for a secure parting once the kids are in school.
It will be easier if he has a job and can contribute.

I would be putting most effort into helping him into employment.
It must cost something to play football. Cease paying for his game fees and force him into earning some money.
Put other focus on him not being grumpy. Ask him to learn anger management before he can look after the kids.

You need to be able to trust him to be a positive parent or it is not fair on the children. Ideally he can be a happy equal care giver once you separate.

icyhands · 01/01/2025 07:46

Unless he can take the kids passports and get them back to his home country, I don't think he'd be able to do anything. Technically the kids can stay here with me indefinitely (as long as I'm working) but if we separate he'd legally not entitled to remain in the country due to not working. Kids also can't get visas to his country without my consent and a lot of documents that he doesn't have (not maliciously, it's just that I'm in charge of literally everything so he doesn't even know where the important documents are!) His country and the country we live in now do not have a good relationship or any deals in place about this kind of thing, so we'd be very much having to make it work on our own terms/figure it out by ourselves.

I've told him he can sort out his own job and visa and finally be a grown up, instead of just living off my money and getting a visa through me. Then he can rent an apartment nearby and still see the kids as much as he wants. OR, he can return to his home country (not far from here) and we can arrange regular visits/trips. But that I don't want to be with him anymore.

He's saying I'm being really selfish and that it's best for the kids if he lives in this house and we stay together. I've said that the tension and arguments and bad atmosphere is NOT good for the kids at all. He went back to his home country for 2 months last year and as soon as he wasn't there, the atmosphere just felt lighter, happier. No little black cloud floating around the house complaining and nagging us.

OP posts:
itsparklesitshines · 01/01/2025 07:47

For the sake of your own sanity (and safety), you need to get out of this relationship. Make plans quietly and discreetly, then separate. It sounds like he's one who could turn nasty though, so be careful.

DustyLee123 · 01/01/2025 07:48

It’s not about taking the kids to his country, it’s about him having main residency in this country, with him being the main carer as he’s not working and doing the school runs etc
I assume he can apply to stay as he has a right to family life, human rights etc

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 01/01/2025 07:49

Lose this utter cocklodger. At least then you are looking after only the kids you gave birth to and not the adult-sized manchild sponging off you.

NameChangedOfc · 01/01/2025 07:52

Do you really need to ask, OP...?

ScarlettSunset · 01/01/2025 07:53

I think you should leave him as soon as possible.

He adds nothing to your life and simply takes. Getting away from him will only be beneficial to you as it's not like he does anything now. He'll still be unlikely to do anything but at least he won't be making more mess for you to clean up or being more of a burden upon you.

He also will have less chance to be physically violent to you. Once IS once too often.

At the moment, your children will be learning what a relationship looks like. Is the one that you're in, the one you want them to learn and copy when they are older? I doubt it, so get out and then you can show them what happiness (or at least less stress) looks like instead.

Theuniversalshere1 · 01/01/2025 07:57

It's a form of abuse, what he I'd doing.

Modern day bangmaid and slave... not allowed to enjoy nights out, or relax.

Spending all your money on him while he hasn't contributed for years, but takes it out on you. Whilst you pay for his hobbies.

Financial abuse.... also, is he your teenage son not cleaning or tidying whilst you fund his hobbies, for him go ignore you on his phone?

You need to leave, what example are you showing your kids... that this is acceptable?

The longer you stay, the more it is you put energy in to the world its acceptable for yourself and women to be treated this way

You will feel so much lighter and freer not having a man baby in your life.

Theuniversalshere1 · 01/01/2025 07:58

ScarlettSunset · 01/01/2025 07:53

I think you should leave him as soon as possible.

He adds nothing to your life and simply takes. Getting away from him will only be beneficial to you as it's not like he does anything now. He'll still be unlikely to do anything but at least he won't be making more mess for you to clean up or being more of a burden upon you.

He also will have less chance to be physically violent to you. Once IS once too often.

At the moment, your children will be learning what a relationship looks like. Is the one that you're in, the one you want them to learn and copy when they are older? I doubt it, so get out and then you can show them what happiness (or at least less stress) looks like instead.

I missed that he was physically abusive too!

Girl run for the hills.

icyhands · 01/01/2025 07:59

Gosh thank you so much for these replies, I needed this! I know it's pathetic but he really had me doubting myself. He's got excuses for absolutely everything and he's been begging me to 'put the kids first' and not do this. He's also mis-remembering everything about our entire relationship and trying to paint it like some kind of fairytale. I'm baffled to hear how 'perfect' he thought everything was between us when I was basically having breakdowns every week, crying because I couldn't deal with the stress of having to do everything combined with the anxiety of his horrible attitude. These replies are really giving me the kick I need to believe in myself and not let him talk me down. My kids deserve better too.

OP posts:
Theuniversalshere1 · 01/01/2025 08:01

icyhands · 01/01/2025 07:59

Gosh thank you so much for these replies, I needed this! I know it's pathetic but he really had me doubting myself. He's got excuses for absolutely everything and he's been begging me to 'put the kids first' and not do this. He's also mis-remembering everything about our entire relationship and trying to paint it like some kind of fairytale. I'm baffled to hear how 'perfect' he thought everything was between us when I was basically having breakdowns every week, crying because I couldn't deal with the stress of having to do everything combined with the anxiety of his horrible attitude. These replies are really giving me the kick I need to believe in myself and not let him talk me down. My kids deserve better too.

Contact woman's aid... they can help you if needed. They are really good.

He is an abuser and this is what they do.

Gaslight, minimise... for themselves.

If he was any kind of man he would realise he needs to leave for your sake ... but he wants to keep his nest feathered.

Nc546888 · 01/01/2025 08:11

This sounds absolutely awful OP. I think boiling frog syndrome where you haven’t realised how bad it is as it’s crept up on you.

hes lazy, violent, selfish and controlling. You are a workhorse and a slave to his demands. It’s not a team. You definitely need to leave him but I would do all the legwork quietly first. See a solicitor in your current country and find out if you can bring the children back to the uk without any legal implications. I would also be worried as PP said that he will claim primary caregiver and main resident of children and you could end up paying for them in child maintaince. Do you have family? Have you told any family or friends your situation?

Justsayit123 · 01/01/2025 08:16

You’re undereacting, not overreacting! Ltb! He’s had many years of opportunities to do the right thing and support his family but haven’t. Get rid. He doesn’t give a shit about you and kids.

FedupMumof10YearOld · 01/01/2025 08:16

Control doesn't equal love

He doesn't love you, he wants to control you

Get out now. Don't waste anymore of your life.

User37482 · 01/01/2025 08:18

Oh god just get rid of him, he’s genuinely awful, your life and your kids lives will be much better once he’s gone. Some fathers are genuinely really important for their children and bring loads to the table but some actively damage their children and their wives. He is not doing anything positive for any of you. He’s awful.

He needs you to keep financially supporting him, thats it. Thats the entirety of your relationship.

DreadPirateRobots · 01/01/2025 08:24

Are you serious...?

The only things he contributes are abuse and neglect. He abuses you physically and emotionally. He neglects his DC. He doesn't bring in any money. He doesn't do any domestic labour. Literally the only things he contributes are bad awful terrible things both you and your kids would be far better off without.

Get him the fuck out, quickly, for everyone's sake but especially your kids'.

Summerhillsquare · 01/01/2025 08:26

"He's been physically violent to me on at least 3 occasions, which I keep telling myself that over a period of 7 years isn't really that bad but then I think - if this was my friend telling me this about her partner, I'd say "even once is bad enough"."

You're obviously an intelligent woman, so he must have ground you down massively for this not to be the entire focus of your post. Get out as soon as you can - its an emergency OP, you matter.

unsync · 01/01/2025 08:27

Whenever I read a thread title like yours, I always think that the answer is obvious. There's a reason you are asking the question. Your doubts are justified. You know there's a problem, you know what that problem is. You know what the answer is.

What help do you need to leave this awful man?

TheJackalsJackal · 01/01/2025 08:31

I didn’t even read all of that, I got to the filthy house whilst he does what he likes and skipped the rest. Presumably it gets worse.

I will never understand how women put up with this shit. Get rid.

Silvertulips · 01/01/2025 08:40

So you need a plan.

First you need to secure any documents, the less you tell him the better.

What’s your living situation? Are you renting? Own your own home?

Do you have any savings?

You had an ideal opportunity to leave when he was away last year, any likely hood he’ll go back?

As he is good at manipulation you need to detangle from his narrative, the less he knows the less he can stop you.

Make a plan and get the help of a good friend to help.

Silvertulips · 01/01/2025 08:42

I will never understand how women put up with this shit. Get rid

Love bombing, promises to change, undermining, convincing, you get pulled in and can’t escape.

Shayisgreat · 01/01/2025 08:44

I mean, of course he thinks it has been perfect - he does fuck all all day! You work, do all the house work, do everything for the children, pay for him to go to football, and he repays you by telling you you're shit and hitting you.

He's a waste of space. He can fuck off.