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Is my marriage over

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Bettertoday · 23/12/2024 22:56

Feeling stuck and very low. Married to a very good man, who I love very much, great father to our kids, still find him attractive and he's hands on with kids, helps with pick up, does the washing and diy. But we have an ongoing struggle as a couple when it comes to communication and affection. I desperately want his love and affection, not in a needy way but in a protective loving way. He doesn't talk to me, is very shut off emotionally which I have learnt to accept over the years as he didn't have the best upbringing and I know he doesn't mean it. Even just day to day how was your day stuff. The affection is so off, he will only touch me for sex, and if I cuddle him he just doesn't do it back, like ever, unless it's in bed and leads to more. He does compliment me sexually all the time. He's a good dad, but so strict and hard on the kids, it's his way or no way and never willing to compromise. He believes shouting is good. My ds has autism and has a very controlling personality that is almost impossible to handle but dh just antagonises him and makes things worse. Every day is stressful and includes shouting. We have had a tough year, but relationship wise it's been rocky for years. I've been begging him for more communication and affection, to be less shouty and show affection. I do a lot in terms of household stuff like all the finances, food shopping, cleaning, organising, holidays everything is down to me or just doesn't get done. He doesn't take instructions well at all I've tried all ways of asking for help (directly, indirectly, by text, being bold, being soft) but he just resists and gets angry all the time like a stroppy teen. He drinks a lot. I've tried to help him cut back but he just doesn't want to. There isn't a day he doesn't drink, even when he's ill. I think he's grumpy and difficult beacuse of how much he drinks. But he's in denial and blames bad moods all on me. But he won't do anything about it. So I gave up trying years ago and just internalize my frustration..I recently started a new job after redundancy, a job I totally love and have found a new confidence and lease of life. I went to a work party and unexpectedly connected well with someone, too well that I ended up drinking with him after the party finished at a bar, and then he kissed me. Like split second kiss but enough to consider it cheating. This was totally against my own morals and out of character completely. I told dh everything the next day. He was distraught, heartbroken but we spent weeks talking and working on things. Things have never been better, he admitted to being difficult and we both talked about how much we love eachother. It felt great, he was so affectionate, loving, open and kind, didn't want to let me go, literally. And I sordidly thought the 'kiss' was the best thing that could have happened to us. Fast forward 6 months and it's back to square one. He's grumpy, aggressive, cold, unaffectionate and unapproachable. Just like he has been for years. I do suffer openly with with depression and my way of coping is talking..but dh understandably can't cope with it. He's just not got the skills. So we go round in circles. I'm stuck and feel like there's not much else that can be done. I'm thinking about this guy all the time, craving his love and affection he showed that evening, and have a terrible urge to end it all and I'm starting to look at how to leave. But then dh will do something nice like make me a cup of tea and I'm like how can I walk! I'm so confused! The kids are obviously are big concern, as is financially, and where would we live. How will dh cope!? Will I fall apart!

I just don't know what to do :-( my upbringing tells me to just stay put, grass isn't greener, but I'm torn and think I can't go on living miserably

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pointythings · 24/12/2024 22:56

@ThatWildJadeTurtle oh do please be quiet. One momentary lapse as set against years of emotional and psychological abuse of a woman and children? Hell yes there are victims here and it isn't the poor little man. OP doesn't need handmaidens, she needs a divorce.

Rhaidimiddim · 24/12/2024 23:11

He sounds like a right ass, hard work and not much use in a family situation.

ThatWildJadeTurtle · 25/12/2024 03:13

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pointythings · 25/12/2024 09:25

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The irony of you telling me to have some manners... But you do you, if you enjoy being an apologist for abuse.

Bettertoday · 31/12/2024 09:55

I thought I'd provide an update. Thanks everyone for replying at such a busy time of year!!

So I told my husband I can't live like this anymore, reeled off everything that has been challenging over the past 7 or so years, said everything, there was no holding back. The stonewalling, defiance, shouting, grumpiness, the drinking, the absent affection, the coldness the rigidness ..I said I'm done, I'm miserable and we need to separate. We've been going over the same challenges for sooo long. I've been ill over Christmas and it feels like my body is saying nah no more.

He pleaded and begged for me to stay, can't live without me, he will do anything, he needs one more chance. (I know what you're thinking here!)

5 days on he hasn't raised his voice at the kids once, he has shown me affection, spent real time with the boys, will talk, and keeps saying how much he really does love me.

We've been together 17 years, married 15, so this isn't an easy ride! I want to be happy with him and keep our family unit and do the things that I wish we could do as a family happily together.

I've dipped into some of the recommended books and there are some matches in behaviour but not as much as you may think.

I see the next few months as a trial, he said give him til Easter. So will see how it goes.

Thanks again ladies x

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TipsyJoker · 31/12/2024 10:20

we spent weeks talking and working on things. Things have never been better, he admitted to being difficult and we both talked about how much we love eachother. It felt great, he was so affectionate, loving, open and kind, didn't want to let me go, literally.
Fast forward 6 months and it's back to square one. He's grumpy, aggressive, cold, unaffectionate and unapproachable. Just like he has been for years.

You’ve been here before. This is what will happen again. It’s called hoovering. The abuser promises to change, changes behaviour temporarily until they are confident you’re invested again and back under their control. Then they revert back to their usual abusive ways. You’re only extending the abuse that will inevitably return.

It’s your life and I wish you all the best but I seriously doubt you’ll get the happy ending you’re hoping for. Your husband should be seeking help for his alcohol abuse because you said he drinks daily, even when he’s unwell. That’s a problem with alcohol. If he’s not willing to go to AA and admit he has a drinking problem, he will not change. The first sign that he is reverting back to his abusive ways, you need to be ready to leave. Don’t give any more of your life, or subject your children to this any longer.

outerspacepotato · 02/01/2025 01:03

Did he stop drinking alcohol?

Kosenrufugirl · 02/01/2025 08:15

Bettertoday · 31/12/2024 09:55

I thought I'd provide an update. Thanks everyone for replying at such a busy time of year!!

So I told my husband I can't live like this anymore, reeled off everything that has been challenging over the past 7 or so years, said everything, there was no holding back. The stonewalling, defiance, shouting, grumpiness, the drinking, the absent affection, the coldness the rigidness ..I said I'm done, I'm miserable and we need to separate. We've been going over the same challenges for sooo long. I've been ill over Christmas and it feels like my body is saying nah no more.

He pleaded and begged for me to stay, can't live without me, he will do anything, he needs one more chance. (I know what you're thinking here!)

5 days on he hasn't raised his voice at the kids once, he has shown me affection, spent real time with the boys, will talk, and keeps saying how much he really does love me.

We've been together 17 years, married 15, so this isn't an easy ride! I want to be happy with him and keep our family unit and do the things that I wish we could do as a family happily together.

I've dipped into some of the recommended books and there are some matches in behaviour but not as much as you may think.

I see the next few months as a trial, he said give him til Easter. So will see how it goes.

Thanks again ladies x

Thank you for the update, it's encouraging to hear. Sometimes the ultimatum is the only way to go, I have been there myself. Like others said if he is drinking daily he will probably revert to the old behaviour st some point in the future. You need to get him to acknowledge his drinking problem whist the ball is in your corner. It must cost the family a fair amount of money as well, alcohol isn't cheap. On the other hand, you want to encourage positive behaviour. One of the books i recommended has a list of "50 things women do to insult a man without trying ". From Why Women Talk and Men Walk. The book is written by a female-male team of family therapists sp both perspectives given. The list was an eye opener for me, well worth the look imo

Bettertoday · 02/01/2025 09:18

Thank you ladies. No he hasn't stopped drinking alcohol but said he knows he has to cut back in the new year once the Xmas break is over.

We've already started rowing as I'm speaking up about everything, so its causing friction, I'm probably not being very consistent considerate and now I do feel like im breaking him down even more. It's such a catch 22. The thought of breaking up the family home feels very wrong for everyone, but right for me in the long run.

Marriage counseling could be our next stop.

I'll check out those books thank you x

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TipsyJoker · 02/01/2025 11:38

Counselling is not recommended with an abuser. I would start getting your ducks in a row and start thinking about how you’re going to make an exit plan. Contact women’s aid if you need support to do that.

Kosenrufugirl · 02/01/2025 15:25

The job of a qualified marriage counselling includes helping couples to separate if in the best interests of everyone

Bittenonce · 02/01/2025 21:44

I really hope this works out for you. My experience was different - and ‘I’ll stop / cut back after Christmas / the weekend / whatever’ has a horribly familiar ring to it. I still remember a family argument when DS said to my ex wife ‘have you got any idea what it’s like growing up as a teenager when you can’t talk with your mother after 7 o’clock’. It made no difference . Don’t let that be you. She stopped after I left- but went back again when she realised I wasn’t coming back. If he wants to change he’ll change now. And my experience of counselling is it will only stand a chance if both of you want it, accept it.

TipsyJoker · 02/01/2025 22:09

Kosenrufugirl · 02/01/2025 15:25

The job of a qualified marriage counselling includes helping couples to separate if in the best interests of everyone

Yes but only is there’s no abuse in the marriage. If there is abuse, they abuser will use it as another tool with which to abuse their victim. Counselling and mediation are not recommended where there is abuse for this reason.

TipsyJoker · 02/01/2025 22:16

TipsyJoker · 02/01/2025 22:09

Yes but only is there’s no abuse in the marriage. If there is abuse, they abuser will use it as another tool with which to abuse their victim. Counselling and mediation are not recommended where there is abuse for this reason.

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EarthSight · 02/01/2025 22:23

You live with the father of your child, who likes having sex with you. The relationship part is dead in my view. There are many friends with more connection and contentment between them than you and your husband, and that's what's sad about this... because he's meant to be your husband, not some acquaintance.

Fast forward 6 months and it's back to square one. He's grumpy, aggressive, cold, unaffectionate and unapproachable. Just like he has been for years

Because that is his real personality. Any change he makes that makes you feel better is work for him, and therefore not sustainable.

Kosenrufugirl · 03/01/2025 04:29

EarthSight · 02/01/2025 22:23

You live with the father of your child, who likes having sex with you. The relationship part is dead in my view. There are many friends with more connection and contentment between them than you and your husband, and that's what's sad about this... because he's meant to be your husband, not some acquaintance.

Fast forward 6 months and it's back to square one. He's grumpy, aggressive, cold, unaffectionate and unapproachable. Just like he has been for years

Because that is his real personality. Any change he makes that makes you feel better is work for him, and therefore not sustainable.

People are capable of change. Even some criminals became law abiding citizens. It depends on motivation. However it does seem this husband has a drinking problem. He needs to acknowledge it and make changes in order for the marriage to survive imo. A person with an addition will always serve their addiction first. On a separate note, when my husband and I went for marriage counselling, we were seen separately for one session each and the person made it clear their job was to explore all options

Gonk123 · 03/01/2025 04:50

I always find it really arrogant that they will change when you are just about to leave…oh thanks but why did you treat me like shit all those years before then if you can just switch it off! His good behaviour won’t last - I promise. But go through with it because you have to personally feel satisfied that you did everything you could. You’ll get there don’t worry.

EarthSight · 03/01/2025 13:21

Kosenrufugirl · 03/01/2025 04:29

People are capable of change. Even some criminals became law abiding citizens. It depends on motivation. However it does seem this husband has a drinking problem. He needs to acknowledge it and make changes in order for the marriage to survive imo. A person with an addition will always serve their addiction first. On a separate note, when my husband and I went for marriage counselling, we were seen separately for one session each and the person made it clear their job was to explore all options

Yes they are, but so often when it comes to relationships, that change lasts for about 6 months and then they slip. In many cases it's just a mask they put to ensure the waters are smoothed and the other person loses the fire they had to leave. Even if it's well meant, pretending to have changed deep inside when it's mostly external is work, and sooner or later they relax into who they really are.

So often, changing external behaviour is reliant on some kind of self-serving purpose (like not losing the person they want in their life), rather than empathy and really wanting what's best for the other person in an altruistic sense. Those are two different things and remaining together isn't what's always best for the other person longterm.

EarthSight · 03/01/2025 13:29

Gonk123 · 03/01/2025 04:50

I always find it really arrogant that they will change when you are just about to leave…oh thanks but why did you treat me like shit all those years before then if you can just switch it off! His good behaviour won’t last - I promise. But go through with it because you have to personally feel satisfied that you did everything you could. You’ll get there don’t worry.

Yes it's sad, and sometimes the change can happen easily like a flick or a switch. The other person's tears, anger, sadness and wellbeing aren't motivating enough factors. Someone has to actually take something away from them that they want (the other person), in order for them to change (although it will often be superficial and often temporary). If that's what it takes to not mistreat someone, if only a selfish motivation will do, then that person doesn't really love or respect their partner. They want to be with them, but that's not the same thing as love & respect.

kalokagathos · 14/01/2025 17:12

I think your husband is autistic himself - all the staple signs are there (also hence clashes with your son). Can he change his rigidness, emotional disregulation, expressing emotions so it becomes natural (not masking) without addressing the core of him/ coping techniques . It's hard. Can you embrace it? I'd personally would detach over times it's an uphill battle

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