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PP depression or MIL problems?

38 replies

Olivie12 · 22/12/2024 13:32

Both I and my husband are immigrants. I'm Latin and my husband is from India.
I had a baby 3 months ago, C section.

Husband's mother came over 2 months ago (just 4 weeks after C section) "to help"us since we don't have any family here. We paid all expenses, including visas and flights.

However, since she arrived we just keep arguing due to her behaviour. He believes this is normal and I get angry because I have Post Partum depression and I believe that her behaviour is strange and of course I don't have PP depression. Her behaviour makes me upset and just gives me more work all the time. I also believe he is gas lighting me by pushing this into PP depression without acknowledging his mother's behaviour.

When she arrived we noticed that she has a limp we didn't know about, we tested her carrying something on her arms, putting it into the bassinet and she almost dropped it; so definitely we don't want her to carry the baby because she may drop him. Before the trip DH asked her if she was healthy enough to lift a baby and she said yes. Now, despite the limp, she's not disabled given that since she arrived she started working on our large yard, she is removing the weeds and planting every day.

This is our miracle baby after years of infertility and miscarriages. I'm still on maternity leave and I feel that it is ruined due to the constant fights over her behaviour, this is time I will never recover. Unfortunately, one week after she leaves the country, I have to start work which is 11 hours' days out of the house.

Please advise if you consider this behaviour acceptable for a 67 year old woman. DH has spoken to her about some of these things (or so he told me because I don't speak their language) but she keeps doing it. Is she trying to break our marriage or just wants to do things her way regardless? I will show your replies to DH so he stops saying I'm depressed. I will write a few examples (but not limited) of what she does:

  • At first, we would let her hold and feed the baby, but she would just grab him by the waist and not hold his neck/head (1.5-2 months old baby). Then you would have the baby's head bouncing. DH would have to go next to the baby to hold his head, explained to her how to hold him. She continued not caring so we stopped giving her the baby. Now, baby's is in physio therapy due to neck problems and she knows it, she has been with us to his therapy.
  • She smeared poo on the wall next to the toilet seat, eye level, both sides of the toilet. Impossible not to see it.
  • Spits often and into the toilet seat with the seat down, her spit is brown due to always drinking brown tea. So I go to the toilet and find brown liquid on top of the toilet's seat wondering if it's liquid poo or spit.
  • She Puts her foot (with dirty socks) on top of the dining table, when DH told her to put her foot down she said "but you have a cat and the cats are dirty". We told that the cat is not allowed and is never walking on top of tables or benches on the kitchen. Our cat is really obedient and doesn't go to the places where we tell him not to go
  • She travelled with only 2 changes of clothes, thinking that we were going to go and buy her new clothes (like if we have time and money with a newborn). She has asked for new clothes a few times, even just to go downtown she was asking a new top.
  • Often drops things and won't pick them up, ever. This can be sauce or crumbs on the table (where she sits),a large napkin on the floor, rice on the pantry, spices on the floor
  • DH asked her to mop one day when we had the health visitor coming, she grabbed a wet tea towel, attached it to the broom and pass it around the floor. Then, proceeded to wash the towel on the kitchen sink, leaving all the rubbish on the sink which is how I knew what she did. In that same sink I wash the baby's bottles.
  • She goes to the yard to weed and plant and washes her hands on the kitchen sink as soon as she enters the house
  • Sometimes when she's tired, she walks by holding the walls. I've had to clean the walls full of turmeric and oil hand prints from the pantry room
  • Loud burps all day
  • Coughs without covering her mouth, even when cooking she coughs on top of the food
  • She leaves lots of water on the sinks, kitchen and bathroom. Not wet, it's like pools of water
  • Refusing to use washing machine, hand washes her few clothes on the bathroom, and leaves lots of water on the floor creating a slipping hazard for herself, water on the walls (Wooden walls), and all around the sink
  • Won't learn how to use the kettle and the microwave
  • Won't cook breakfast or lunch for herself, even cereal. DH leaves her some toast and boiled eggs in the morning before going to do a physical job, then when he's back he makes her snacks. If it was my son, I would have him snacks ready when he's home from work
  • She will only help cook dinner but leaves the kitchen and sink dirty. The sponge to wash dishes full of grease and grim..
  • When I'm feeding the baby, she goes in front of me, blocking the TV and is just staring at me
  • Often makes comments about things I'm not doing with the baby to my DH (such as the baby should be left naked, baby is sneezing, baby's head is not strong, baby's cousin's neck was stronger, etc)
  • She often drinks the water I boiled for my baby's bottles, I have to be guarding the water every day. If I don't have enough boiled cooled water the baby may run out of bottles or I have to wash/sterilize bottles more often.

If you made it this far, thanks for reading. Please advise what I should tell DH so he acknowledges this behaviour is not normal.

Summary: MIL came from overseas to help me post partum, doesn't help and just gives me more work. I'm the main carer for the baby and when I complain, DH says that I'm overreacting due to Post Partum depression and his mother's behaviour is not the problem. What can he do so his mother behaves properly and avoid destroying their relationship?

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Olivie12 · 22/12/2024 13:54

She also laughed when we were explaining to her the SIDS rules because where she comes from that doesn't exist.

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gotmychristmasmiracle · 22/12/2024 14:01

Bye bye MIL 👋 we're coping way better than expected here's your ticket home, have a safe journey!

Meadowfinch · 22/12/2024 14:04

God, no. How revolting. Dirty, ignorant and disgusting.

She's trying to assert her authority. I think the best you can do is bring her departure forward. Failing this, when she leaves, make it absolutely clear to your dh that if she ever visits again, you and dc will stay in an hotel or visit your family, just to get away from her.

moondip · 22/12/2024 14:22

I would be tearing my hair out if I had to go through this. Whether she is being intentionally difficult and disrespectful or is totally oblivious and ignorant, this is not behavior that you need in your home that is supposed to be your sanctuary during this special time in your life that you waited so long for. She is being a hindrance, not a help, and your DH needs to prioritise you and your baby. Is there a time limit on her trip or is it indefinite? Your DH needs to get her out of the house ASAP.

ChristmasinBrighton · 22/12/2024 14:28

gotmychristmasmiracle · 22/12/2024 14:01

Bye bye MIL 👋 we're coping way better than expected here's your ticket home, have a safe journey!

Exactly this. It’s time for her to go home.

Allthehorsesintheworld · 22/12/2024 14:34

Many of the things she is doing are downright dangerous, many are plain disgusting and unhygienic.
It sounds like your baby has had an injury at her hands? Does your husband not realise babies necks, spinal column and brains are delicate and any injury can leave lifelong damage ?
Please arrange her ticket home, you are managing fine without her “help” not help.

Wewishyouamerrychristmasanda · 22/12/2024 14:44

The hygiene bits would really gross me out but I don’t think you can change someone’s attitude (or lack of) to cleanliness.
I would absolutely hate to be in position (especially with a baby in the house) but I don’t think of much than you can do either to maybe try to move her flight forward after speaking to your DH? She won’t change her habits.
Other than being pretty filthy, some of the other examples I am not sure are that bad but I think everything just grinds on you in the grand scheme of things.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 22/12/2024 14:45

It’s high time she left, she’s done more than enough harm this past two months. She needs to be on a plane asap. Never facilitate her travel ever again, it was a huge mistake to actually pay for her flights.

Where is his dad?

Your husband’s inertia when it comes to his mother hurts him as well as you. He needs therapy re his mother. He is likely also mired in a fear obligation and guilt state too.

WaitingforStrike · 22/12/2024 14:50

how close to you is your nearest relative? I would go and stay there

Tealpins · 22/12/2024 15:01

Oh bless you. That would send me over the edge. She sounds off the scale awful.

You must have the mental health resilience of a lion - I would be screaming and crying at this point.

Why is your husband insistent she stays any longer? She's met (and injured) the baby. She's not helping in any way. Time to fuckity off home.

UpMyself · 22/12/2024 15:07

DH says that I'm overreacting due to Post Partum depression
but you don't have PPD
and his mother's behaviour is not the problem.
Of course it bloody well is.

Your DH is abusive. Your MIL is gross.

TinyMouseTheatre · 22/12/2024 15:07

I think it's time she goes too. She came to help but it seems that she's not helping in the slightest, she's making more work and making you uncomfortable in your own home.

umdontdothat · 22/12/2024 15:38

She's a hindrance not a help. Don't know how you've put up with that OP with a tiny baby.

TinyMouseTheatre · 22/12/2024 15:46

And it definitely doesn't sound like you have Post-Natal Illness to me. What it does sound like is gaslighting you into thinking that it's you who had the problem when I don't think there is a Woman alive who woukd not have a problem with how your "D"MIL is acting.

Olivie12 · 23/12/2024 01:47

Meadowfinch · 22/12/2024 14:04

God, no. How revolting. Dirty, ignorant and disgusting.

She's trying to assert her authority. I think the best you can do is bring her departure forward. Failing this, when she leaves, make it absolutely clear to your dh that if she ever visits again, you and dc will stay in an hotel or visit your family, just to get away from her.

@Meadowfinch you are right, I hadn't thought about being a matter of authority, as if she wants to show that she has the most power over the son.

Where she lives, with his brother, she's used to be the boss and have the authority there, bit she's just a temporary visitor here and she's not respecting that.

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Olivie12 · 23/12/2024 01:50

moondip · 22/12/2024 14:22

I would be tearing my hair out if I had to go through this. Whether she is being intentionally difficult and disrespectful or is totally oblivious and ignorant, this is not behavior that you need in your home that is supposed to be your sanctuary during this special time in your life that you waited so long for. She is being a hindrance, not a help, and your DH needs to prioritise you and your baby. Is there a time limit on her trip or is it indefinite? Your DH needs to get her out of the house ASAP.

It's a 3 month trip, 5 more weeks to go unfortunately. Seems like endless.

We would have to pay for a new ticket, which we could do so this hell finishes but not sure how to do so my DH doesn't get in conflict with the rest of his sister's/brothers by returning her home early.

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Olivie12 · 23/12/2024 02:37

Allthehorsesintheworld · 22/12/2024 14:34

Many of the things she is doing are downright dangerous, many are plain disgusting and unhygienic.
It sounds like your baby has had an injury at her hands? Does your husband not realise babies necks, spinal column and brains are delicate and any injury can leave lifelong damage ?
Please arrange her ticket home, you are managing fine without her “help” not help.

It's highly likely that the injury was before birth or at birth, it was noticed at his 2 months appointment.

However, my concern is the way she handles the baby can make the neck issue worse and worry about lifelong consequences. DH really can't see how dangerous it is.

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FloofPaws · 23/12/2024 03:52

This would be my worst nightmare, and she's filthy!!!! Guests outstay their welcome very quickly ... can your own mother come over and support you? I'd also want her to FO hone, but are there any other family she can visit?

Olivie12 · 23/12/2024 04:45

Tealpins · 22/12/2024 15:01

Oh bless you. That would send me over the edge. She sounds off the scale awful.

You must have the mental health resilience of a lion - I would be screaming and crying at this point.

Why is your husband insistent she stays any longer? She's met (and injured) the baby. She's not helping in any way. Time to fuckity off home.

We have the ticket back home after 5 weeks unfortunately, purchased from the start.

Yeh point is that by now I'm losing it, I have run out of patience by now. She again went and washed something from the floor on the kitchen's sink, she won't say what it is not admit it, but I can see the rubbish. Our floors would be dirty with cat things, food, random litter. We love our cat but don't put anything belonging to the cat on the kitchen's sink, that would go on the bathroom's sink.

DH went to talk to her about it, unhygienic and so (I wash the baby's bottles in that same sink) and that conversation turned the opposite, she played the victim, she started crying that she didn't do anything, and how she doesn't hold the baby and now DH wants to let her carry the baby again. So now she will continue to do her dirty and unhygienic things and hold the baby. I want DH to open his eyes and acknowledge that she's not behaving properly so will show this thread.

DH doesn't behave like this, but how can he find her behaviour acceptable and even blame me? How can he change so much with his mother?

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romdowa · 23/12/2024 05:02

I'd be telling dh either she goes or i go and I'd mean it.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 23/12/2024 05:16

I would not worry unduly about causing conflict with other family members if you send her home early. That’s the least of your problems. You people paid for her flights after all and that won’t be happening ever again.

and your H needs therapy re his relationship with his toxic mother. She’s emasculated him that much he cannot and equally will not stand up for himself or you in her presence.

TinyMouseTheatre · 23/12/2024 08:19

If you are showing "D"H this thread, make sure he understands that unless he stands up for you, his DW it will be the last time his DM comes into your home and you're very unlikely to visit her with your LO either.

He is married to you, not his DM and he should start to look after you.

Renamed · 23/12/2024 08:23

She’s not safe around your baby. That’s enough. Does your DH not care? If he won’t put his child first, you have bigger problems than the next few weeks.

FannyFernackerpants · 23/12/2024 08:49

She smeared poo on the wall next to the toilet seat, eye level, both sides of the toilet. Impossible not to see it.

Anyone that did that in my bathroom would be on the first plane home!
She sounds utterly filthy and you must be a Saint for putting up with her for this long, she needs to go now.

Tealpins · 23/12/2024 13:45

FannyFernackerpants · 23/12/2024 08:49

She smeared poo on the wall next to the toilet seat, eye level, both sides of the toilet. Impossible not to see it.

Anyone that did that in my bathroom would be on the first plane home!
She sounds utterly filthy and you must be a Saint for putting up with her for this long, she needs to go now.

Yeah. This is not even psychological warfare on your MIL's part. She's actually in physical conflict with you. This is what prisoners do to their hated guards. Mate, this is beyond fucked up. I would be ringing the airline and seeing what scope there is for ticket changes. And if any brothers or sisters in law want to talk about it, they can talk about poo on the wall. Filthy, aggressive and vile.