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I feel im watching them shut down

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Poptarts1056 · 26/11/2024 14:08

And I know the 100% correct thing is to accept you can't change or control a person's choices. I know its very easy to suggest slamming a door in someone's face. Saying no. Ignoring and all the rest. But I really just want to see what people think or if there is anything I've missed. I can't see a way to help at this stage and ultimately it's not my place.

My long term friend used to be happy. Confident. Worked full time. He lost his mum to cancer. She was only 49 and I think for him that was the beginning of his struggles. He had 2 children but his ex wife moved them 6 hours away and made it virtually impossible to have a relationship with him. He had a girlfriend for 10 years. She was a party girl and child free. So they lived a very drink based life. Drinks in the garden. Drinks at the pub. Drinks on holiday. It was all about drinks. But this led him to become an alcoholic. I fully understand the lack of sympathy people will feel for him about this. But it happened. He sorted himself out 6 years ago. He has never drank since. His relationship ending with her I guess was also playing a big factor in how he felt. He struggled. He moved out of the home they shared and started off again. He went back to work and was doing so well. He earns good money. He had a few different purposes again. He met a nice woman in 2020 and she was in my view exactly what he needed. She was kind and caring for him. For a while he was focused on her but he slipped into contacting his last partner which was ruining his new relationship. He didn't want to admit or accept he was not accepting that was done and he needed to look forward.

Through no fault of his own his landlord sold up. He ended up on the streets. Council wouldn't help him. He ended up staying eith a man he knew through work but unfortunately this man was an addict. 6 months of living there he had lost weight and wasn't OK. He actually left the nice girlfriend. But returned to her when his new friend wanted him to move out. She helped him find a flat and their relationship seemed good. But 6 months later he lost his job. He stayed in a rut from then really. He has stayed with this new woman but his treatment of her has been questionable at times. He's spiralled. Got involved with the local trouble and got himself onto drugs. His girlfriend has really backed on and has attempted to leave the relationship. But she confided in me last week that he'd been back in touch. He had gone to see her and confessed one of these males has got his feet under the table in his flat and he is feeling very trapped and depressed. He looked really unwell. He took around washing and she told me his face has sunken in and he looks like he's close to death. She fed him and washed his clothes and told him he needed to make a plan and sort things out or he will die in this world. She doesn't see or want a relationship with him particularly now. But she is being humane. I haven't spoken to him about the situation he is in..but it sounds a mess. I am not sure there's any guidance I can give to him.

Has anyone had experience of addictions and what sort of things did you do to support a loved one without enabling or harming yourself in the process?

Thank you.

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Frith2013 · 26/11/2024 15:19

Contact as many professional services as possible. Contact them at least once a week to see if they have done anything.

And step away.

Poptarts1056 · 26/11/2024 15:28

That has all been done but they don't do anything to be honest. He needs to be a threat to himself or the public. That's the response we've all got many times. If he's taken to a&e they let him go.

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allaloneandlost · 26/11/2024 15:37

You and this lady are really good friends to him. Could you contact his GP or addiction services and explain your concerns so they might reach out to him?

allaloneandlost · 26/11/2024 15:39

Cross posted. Could you call an addiction helpline or NHS Direct yourself and see what they suggest? There's no more you can do.

Poptarts1056 · 26/11/2024 17:48

All this has been done. He's in denial so tells them he's fine and unless he's a danger to the public they won't do a thing.

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allaloneandlost · 27/11/2024 11:55

Unfortunately you can't help people who won't help themselves except leave the door open.

gramachroi · 27/11/2024 12:15

This is decades and decades of spiral. I can only echo whats been said above - report to professionals / services regularly or if things decline.

You mention the other person who has moved inot his property - do you have concerns about adult safeguarding here - finacial abuse etc .... is this an alternative route you could consider - https://www.kmsab.org.uk/p/what-is-adult-safeguarding/adult-safeguarding-explained/print#:~:text=a%20person%20is%2018%20years,or%20the%20risk%20of%20it.

Adult Safeguarding Explained

https://www.kmsab.org.uk/p/what-is-adult-safeguarding/adult-safeguarding-explained/print#:~:text=a%20person%20is%2018%20years,or%20the%20risk%20of%20it.

OriginalUsername2 · 27/11/2024 12:49

Poor bloke.

I don’t have any advice. There’s no help for people who have lost their way in our society. It’s absolutely shit.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 27/11/2024 12:58

There is nothing you can do unless he himself wants to get help and for his own self . You cannot act as either a rescuer or saviour here as neither approach works. Do not get further sucked into this.

Paulie1981 · 27/11/2024 18:27

Sounds like a vulnerable adult/exploitation. Can he move flats/stay with you /change locks etc, social services/police to remove the person?

INeedAnotherName · 27/11/2024 18:42

You can't help someone who refuses help. You just can't. However you must report the cuckooing. This isn't my council but first google hit so you could tweak it for your area.

www.oxford.gov.uk/community-safety/cuckooing

Paulie1981 · 28/11/2024 11:50

It sounds a hopeless situation if hes not willing to ask for help himself. You and the other person are good people but if hes not willing to reach out and aak for help, theres not much you can do. It must be extremely difficult to watch this happen to him. I would just keep repeating what he needs to do, who to speak to and numbers to call. No one will help unless he asks for help.

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