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Am I back in an abusive relationship?

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PithyTiger · 24/11/2024 01:46

Hi everyone,
Ive been browsing around for a while trying to get the courage to put a post in so here I go.Please be gentle with me – for me, this has taken a lot of courage to write. Im sorry it is so long.

Firstly, as a form of introduction - 46 year old male with two sons, one of whom is now 19, the other who is almost 16. Divorced 6 years ago - I filed for divorce after 15 years of marriage on grounds of unreasonable behaviour which was accepted by the ex wife and the courts without question (I cited examples of domestic abuse, controlling & narcissistic behaviour). I openly admit that I have diagnosed complex PTSD from work, and I have trauma from, not only my marriage, but also a very physically and sexually abusive childhood which has left me with abandonment issues. (not making any excuses, just fact)

Just over 5 years ago, I met someone new. As with everything new, things were great, she had a strength of character and knew her own mind which was incredibly attractive. I was tired of a fix me up partner and just wanted to not have to deal with that type of thing anymore. Finding someone who was able to manage themselves without needing to suck the life out of me was refreshing.
She was in a similar situation with her ex husband, and her child was pulled from pillar to post by him as well, influencing her with mind games. Eventually, it got to the point where she left her daughter go stay with him due to the impact that it was having on her. If I am honest, I never quite understood that, but I recognised that it was what she felt right and what she felt she had to do. The fact that I didn’t quite understand it wasn’t important to me as I felt that my role is not one of judgement, but of support. Everyone needs different types of support. To this day, I still continue to listen to her talk about her daughter, hold her if she is emotional and dont give any unsolicited advice as I know she just needs to be heard, not judged.

Things progressed nicely, neither of us were in a rush, we both had our own houses, and we spent over 4 years commuting an hour each way to one another on weekends. She has a lot of trauma from her past, as have I – lots of domestic violence history on both of our sides. We have always supported each other through this and we both managed it well, without leaning on each other too much.

As a bit more time moved on, she started to change and appeared to never fully seem to trust me.She admits being cautious after all this time but she herself said she doesn’t know why and recognises that I have never done anything for her to feel that way. I recognised that this was an insecurity and continued to stand by her, reassuring her as much as she needed it. This started to get more challenging, she would start to focus on a single word I said, misinterpret it, and just stonewall me and totally shut down.Again, perhaps stupidly on my side, I put this down again to her trauma, as well as my own fears of abandonment, and continue to reassure her.

However, I started to walk on eggshells and it was starting to remind me of my marriage.Her immediate reaction to any form of word that she perceived incorrectly would be to “push the eject button” as I called it – basically, she would just immediately respond saying that our relationship isn’t working out due to her getting upset over things such as a sentence said incorrectly or an incorrect word used. And none of them were dealbreaker words or during an argument, we could just be talking casually about a TV program or filling the car up with petrol or what to have for dinner.

As time progressed, my youngest started to struggle with the mindgames of his mother, resulting in him breaking down numerous times and myself having to threaten social services, taking her back to court, reporting her for neglect amongst many other things.My partner always found this really hard and I started to feel quite judged by her regarding how I was parenting as she felt that I should effectively do the same thing that she did with her daughter. I was not ready, and never will be ready, to ever give up on my children.

Things calmed down for quite some time, and I thought everything was in the past and eventually, only a few months ago, we agreed to move in together, so she came to mine as I have a bigger house. Actually, she is still in the process of moving in atm.

My partner has always struggled with my youngest, constantly speaking negatively about him, and to this day, I cannot remember the last time she ever said anything nice about him. He started developing poor mental health, started self harming and acting out and eventually it got bad enough where, one day, he physically went to attack me and I had to restrain him resulting in the need for him to stay at his mums for a short time until things were better sorted out.
My partner was happy when this happened as she no longer needed to deal with him being in the house with me in case anything further happened. She also just seemed happier that she didn’t have to see or deal with him.The stress of trying to deal with her and my son is so completely exhausting for me.

Recently, he has started to get better, his mum and I are trying to work together for his interests, he has stopped self harming and I genuily believe that he is trying to sort himself out. We have been working on our relationship and at the moment, he is at my house due to the improvements in his behaviour as his mum is overseas. Tonight – I heard him singing to himself in his room – this is the first time in a very long time he has done this and it made me emotional.I mentioned this to my partner at the time, that he is singing, and I got absolutely no response. This made me really sad – I so wanted to be able to celebrate this change in a positive direction for him – but all I felt was alone with my partner next to me who was on their phone browsing.

Most of our disagreements come as a result of my children, especially my youngest. She likes questioning my parenting, which in turn makes me doubt myself. A few days ago, before he came back to mine, I told her that he is trying and I need her to just be nice to him basically. I told her that sometimes I need her support with him in terms of my emotions and doubting myself due to his challenges. She responded stating that she cannot give me support as she doesn’t like him, but she will listen if I like. She will actively remove herself from the room if he is around, hide away upstairs and refuse to be with me when he is around.

My partner has a high pressure job, she often comes home emotionally and physically exhausted from work.If I say the wrong thing at the wrong time, she will just explode verbally. She launches into what I can only ever describe as an attack.Initially, I felt, it’s a one off, not a problem, everyone is allowed to have bad days, but its now almost daily.Due to my own history of abuse as a child and within my marriage, this triggers a trauma response and I just shut down and completely hide away as it’s the only way I can ever feel safe.

I then lose my voice, my mind goes blank and I simply do not know how to phrase the words or how to say them, and then fear that by doing so, I will just invite another verbal attack on me.She has also previously come home from work, I have gone to give her a hug hello, to get told not to touch her as she has had a bad day.

I feel like a punching bag.And I certainly do not feel like a “man” as I feel weak as why the h*ll have I not just kicked her out the door.I think its because there is a large part of me which falls back onto our good times and that gives me hope. I have had an interesting life in terms of jobs where violence was a large part of my role. If someone approached me with a gun or a knife, I would feel comfortable dealing with that (not some macho comment, just the truth – its what I have been trained to do for decades now). But this is a type of warfare that I do not know how to deal with. I know she is struggling with really bad menopause at the moment on top of her stressful job, but I do not know at which point that becomes me making excuses for her behaviour.

I am worried that I am back in an abusive relationship again. I feel scared that if I do not say something phrased perfectly, the response will be one of an attack. I have said to her that I cannot beat her defences, that they are too strong however I am also not responsible for her abusive past. It doesn’t seem to make any difference, if I do anything wrong, she will hold me at bay, turn things back around on me so its my fault, I start to doubt my own recollection of things so now I start to write them down. If I could summarise it, my biggest challenge with her is her emotional instability. Never knowing one moment to the next when the next explosion will be and over what minor thing will be its trigger.

She has not yet fully moved in – I was/am helping fix her house up so it could be rented, but I am so freaked out now, there is a part of me where I do not want to finish her house because then, if she carries on, where will she go? So do I call it now?

When things are good, they are good. But when she gets like this – I honestly feel scared of her responses because her words and actions can be so incredibly cutting and hurtful. As an example, it is 1am as I write this, and I don’t want to be upstairs in bed with her as I just don’t feel relaxed enough to sleep. To me, my son is part of me – he is part of the package that is who I am. At the same time, I also recognise that in a few years time, he will be an adult and I shouldn’t be putting my life on hold for that. However, for me, it is also about the principle that he is important to me.It is about my need to feel safe, to feel loved, and to not be worrying that unless I am perfect, there are consequences to my actions.

I struggle never knowing what emotional reaction I am going to see next, or when it is safe to bring a particular topic up. Sometimes, just asking what her plans are for the day is enough to set her off saying she is too stressed to deal with it, doesn’t want to talk about it and she will just hide away looking at her phone. I play a game on my phone as it helps me relax, but I have stopped playing it quite a bit recently because there is often a sly comment about me always being on my phone – I might spend 10 minutes on it, she will spend hours on hers watching videos and researching hobbies. I hear her coming into the room now, and I will turn my phone off to avoid comments etc.

Am I perfect? Of course not, but I have always treated her with respect, I have always supported her, I have always been faithful, I don’t raise my voice (as a kid, raising my voice resulted in further beatings and hospital visits so I learnt to control it.Also my job demands an ability to maintain control of my emotions too). I have always been there for her, no matter what difficulties she is going through, she often tells me that I am her rock and she isn’t going anywhere as she loves me, but then I feel confused because the words and actions aren’t aligning.

How bad is this? Is this thing dead? Any suggestions? I even feel worried about posting this because what happens if she reads it? My logical brain tells me to kick her out of my house and run away as fast as humanly possible….

OP posts:
username8348 · 24/11/2024 02:04

It's very brave of you to write this down.

You need to prevent your current partner from moving in. The most important reason is your son's welfare.

You cannot have a partner that treats your son like that in his home. Not only does she leave the room but she bad mouths him.

Yes you're in an abusive relationship and the reason you're in an abusive relationship is because you haven't dealt with your past and your mental health issues.

If you have CPTSD then I suggest you get therapy. You might find BACP helpful to find a therapist and might find value in CPTSD From Surviving to Thriving by Pete Walker.

The reason you keep finding yourself in abusive relationships is complex but it's mainly because your tolerance for poor behaviour is high, it's familiar and you have porous boundaries.

You might find books on assertiveness, self esteem and boundaries helpful. The Six Pillars of Self Esteem is good.

If your ex is abusive then I would move your son in with you and support him. I would focus on your relationship with him and forget about relationships for the time being.

You might find support with the Men's Advice line. They're a domestic abuse organisation. You might also find the Survivors Trust helpful. They support survivors of sexual abuse. NAPAC are an organisation who support survivors of childhood abuse.

PrincessOfPreschool · 24/11/2024 02:04

I think your past is informing some of your reactions you describe at the end about running as fast as you can, and your thinking is very black and white.

Personally, I think it sounds like you and her have too many issues to be together. A year after another heavy relationship ended probably wasn't wise to get into another one. I think you need to break up before she rents her house out so she can go back.

I think breaking up is best to protect you and her mental health. It doesn't sound like it's very good for her either and she has plenty of her own issues.

Your son is a major factor and you need to focus on him getting totally well. Being around such a toxic relationship (yours and hers) after being around his mum and you for many years, must be very difficult for him. What a terrible example of relationships for him. Being around someone who doesn't like him, even worse! But to be fair, I have been around a teen with severe mental health issues and it's very difficult for emotionally breakthrough biological parents to deal with, let alone your current partner who has so much to deal with. I wonder how he has managed to get better in the circumstances he's in. Don't jeopardise that.

In short, this relationship doesn't sound like it's good for anyone. It needs to end, especially for your son's sake. He should come first.

PrincessOfPreschool · 24/11/2024 02:06

Emotiinally healthy (not breakthrough)

PithyTiger · 24/11/2024 02:23

@username8348 thank you for your frank and honest response. I must say that when I read where you said about my tolerance for poor behaviour and boundaries being porous, as well as being in it due to not dealing with the past is so right. I have often felt like I am an optional extra in people lives who claim to care.

@PrincessOfPreschool thank you - your post brought tears to my eyes. I didnt even think about the impact that this relationship is having on my son in terms of how he will see healthy and unhealthy ones. I have never had a healthy romantic relationship so I am still trying to figure that one out for myself. I just dont want to spend the rest of my life living with someone like this.

So, a simple question - how do I do this with the least amount of risk? what are my options? Its my house so she has no right to anything correct? (shes only been here 3 months but still loads of stuff at hers still which is not rented out yet)

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MarkingBad · 24/11/2024 02:23

Sorry OP this sonds like an awful situation for you to be in and an awful past to contend with too.

You are not compatible, you are not happy, and it is harming your DS, your DC are your priority. Please do stop your partner moving in, it's a terrible idea for you all and will only harm you all further anhd teach your son a terrible lesson about adult relationships

No one needs this situation, you can leave anyone for any reason at any time, you don't need anyones permission to leave them, you don't even owe them an explanation.

Are you open to some counciling for you and or your DS? It might be worthwhile to discover what makes you attracted and attractive to partners who make you unhappy and abuse you. It could also help your son so he can have a healthy loving relationship in the future.

I'm not going to judge your or your partner but let her go so both of you can find happiness with partners that are better for you.

username8348 · 24/11/2024 02:35

So, a simple question - how do I do this with the least amount of risk? what are my options? Its my house so she has no right to anything correct? (shes only been here 3 months but still loads of stuff at hers still which is not rented out yet)

No problem. You're not married and she's not on the mortgage or deeds so she has no claim.

Regarding risk, do you mean physical? I would speak to the Men's Advice line about that. They can advise on what to do.

I would have a conversation where you say that you don't feel the relationship is working anymore and you'd like her to move out.

Heartbreakanddamage · 24/11/2024 02:36

Please, please get this awful bully out of your DC’s lives and your own. Seriously what are you thinking? She has told you she does not like your child. She cannot support you. She has serious mental issues, maybe bipolar, but whatever they are she will ruin your DC’s mental health.

She absolutely does not deserve the kind person you come across as. I would wait until she goes to work, pack absolutely every single thing from your house and return it to hers. If you don’t have the keys I’d pay for a few days storage somewhere. I would change the locks on your house then text her it’s over. She sounds unstable! Do not give her the chance to cause a big scene. She is verbally abusive now but it won’t be long before this becomes physical.
@PithyTiger

MarkingBad · 24/11/2024 02:38

So, a simple question - how do I do this with the least amount of risk? what are my options? Its my house so she has no right to anything correct? (shes only been here 3 months but still loads of stuff at hers still which is not rented out yet)

You need to have a discussion about your relationship and tell her that it is not working out. You can ask her to leave at any time, it is your house. Is she on your mortgage or a named tennant or have any tenancy (joint tenant or tenant in common) of your house?

How bad is her house? Can she move straight back in?

If she can move straight back in just tell her it's not working out and you would like her to leave ASAP.

If she cannot move straight away, giver her a sensible time frame but a short one, few days, a week so she can find somewhere temporary.

Don't give in to her if she tries to convince you to reconsider if she has no occupancy rights, she has no business being there if you don't want her to be.

Edited to add - cross post with the two previous posters, both good advice. and the latter one definitely if you do not feel safe with having the conversation, she has no rights to stay in your home

PrincessOfPreschool · 24/11/2024 02:56

Only you can judge her reaction. If you think she'll be sad but OK, then just talk to her. Tell her that this relationship is not good for either of you or your son, so it needs to end now. Make it about being best for her as well as it's not her job to help your son's recovery, but it is very much your responsibility to help him.

Have a plan to pack up and move out quickly. I would talk to the line mentioned above though.

Heartbreakanddamage · 24/11/2024 03:06

PrincessOfPreschool · 24/11/2024 02:56

Only you can judge her reaction. If you think she'll be sad but OK, then just talk to her. Tell her that this relationship is not good for either of you or your son, so it needs to end now. Make it about being best for her as well as it's not her job to help your son's recovery, but it is very much your responsibility to help him.

Have a plan to pack up and move out quickly. I would talk to the line mentioned above though.

She honestly sounds dangerous and I would get her out immediately. I’m not sure I’d say anything about it being best for your son. I wouldn’t want her holding a grudge as she truly sounds unhinged. I’d say for your own mental health it’s necessary and then block her.

EverybodyLovesString · 24/11/2024 03:31

You must protect your son from living in a home where he is disliked. Give him the safe and loving childhood that you were denied as a boy.

You also deserve emotional safety in your home. As difficult as it is, you have to sit her down and tell her you want to end the relationship. Try not to get pulled into justifying your reasons and don’t be guilt-tripped into changing your mind.

You weren’t protected as a child but you can protect yourself now by getting this women out of your home. You can do this.

Mummyoflittledragon · 24/11/2024 04:14

Please get this woman gone from your life. She is abusing you and your son. Poor lad. His home should be his safe haven and sanctuary, where he is loved unconditionally and not judged. Much as he may be an adult in a few years time, which would indicate he is mid teens, he will need you as stability for a lot longer. My father died and my mother remarried when I was late teens. I considered the man a second father and grandfather to my dd.

Once she is gone, please get the necessary help and therapy to heal and learn how to create your own boundaries. Until you do this, you will continue to attract this kind of woman.

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category12 · 24/11/2024 06:31

I think it's very simple - she can't stand your son, so living together is not an option.

Whether the relationship is abusive or not, it's not a goer.

Pick your kid.

PithyTiger · 24/11/2024 12:13

Thank you everyone for your feedback and advice. Apologies in delay in replying, only recently woken up.

Just for clarity, my son does not live with me on a regular basis at the moment due to myself needing to restrain him around 2 months ago as he became physically agressive towards me. His mum and I are working on trying to support him, (the best we have ever worked together if I am honest) he is now under CAHMS and seeing a psychologist to address his mental health challenges. He is with me for the next few days as his mum is oversees and its been lovely - I have so much hope in him that he is starting to deal with his challenges and that I will be able to be back in his life again like I used to be. My son and I watched a movie together last night and were just laughing away at it. It made me feel quite emotional afterwards. Ive missed him.

What also confuses me about my partner is that she is incredibly black and white. For example, if I recall something slightly differently to her, the response is one of - so you are lying then? What else do you lie about? And then she withdraws for the rest of the day. For me, my response is normally, Im not lying, I am human and I remember different things. This has resulted in her not really having anyone in her life she can fall back on - she pushes people away almost immediately if they just be human and make simple "mistakes" if thats the right word to use? She often says that if things dont work out, she doesnt know if she would stay alive anymore (yes - I know thats emotional blackmail)

Thank you everyone for your support and advice. I have been feeling like I am going mad, that I am being totally unreasonable and its nice to feel that maybe Im not as crazy as I have been feeling I am

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category12 · 24/11/2024 12:21

Your son doesn't have to live with you for it to be a terrible idea for you to live with a woman who dislikes him.

Whatever behavioural issues he has can only be made worse by her attitude towards him. And when he's with you he should feel welcome. You can't give him that if you live with her.

That's aside from the relationship you have with her which is no longer serving either of you well.

PithyTiger · 24/11/2024 12:30

Yes, I hear what you are saying @category12 . Thank you

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IGJ10 · 24/11/2024 12:40

You sound like a lovely, caring guy who deserves a wonderful relationship. This is not what a healthy relationship looks like, I really believe that being in the kind of relationships you have had puts you in a mental fog. It is so unfair. I would echo everything posters have said - your son deserves the safety in childhood you were cruelly denied and you must tell your partner to leave to ensure that. Your relationship is at best unhealthy (walking on eggshells is an utterly miserable way to live and so unnecessary) and at worst abusive. It is not worth the brief happy moments and is chipping away at your mental health and sense of reality. Again, I echo other posters - she needs to move out ASAP (seek legal advice if you’re unsure of your/her rights) and you should seek individual counselling to understand why and how you let these soul-suckers into your life and how to develop strong, healthy boundaries. Good luck OP

Pinkbonbon · 24/11/2024 12:47

I got to the part where you said she's always had issue with your youngest.

Don't need anymore than that.

Your kids come first op. You don't let people who are negative about them anywhere near them.

Always be careful of people who seem to have similar backstories to you in the beginning. It can be mirroring. A tactic of abusers.

Ps: if you ever think 'hmm that's weird/doesn't ring true', don't excuse it. You had instincts for a reason.

Get single.

Heartbreakanddamage · 24/11/2024 13:13

I honestly don’t think you are going to take any of the advice given though.
You are going to come up with a whole load of reasons to carry on. You need to reveal your home situation to other agencies working with your son. He should not be at your home at all.

PithyTiger · 24/11/2024 13:32

Thank you everyone yet again, you have all given me lots to think about.

I agree that I need better, I just wanted sure if I was going mad or not or if I was seeing something that wasnt as bad as I was thinking it was.

@Heartbreakanddamage thank you for your honesty. I am the kind of person where I wouldnt ask for advice if I was going to ignore something. Are the responses here what I wanted to hear - of course not if I am honest, however my gut has been saying the same thing and I am always open to seeing what needs to be changed. It would be neglectful of me to ask for advice, to have all the amazing people here give me their advice - to then just ignore everyone.

I need to work out how I am going to end this now. Thank you everyone

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Cheesandcrackers · 24/11/2024 13:56

This person is clearly trying to keep you on the back foot. She sounds unbelievably insecure and you will never "fix" her. TBH your better off being alone (with your children) rather than trying to mollify someone who clearly has some sort of toxic personality. Just end it.

MarkingBad · 24/11/2024 14:01

Its easy for us to tell you to leave her. It is the right thing to do but it's never easy to walk away especially when you have been emotionally invested in excusing abusive behaviour. You need to be firm that your decision is final and she must leave now, there is no going back or promises of changing.

Its confusing, feels sad and you may want or be convinced she can change. She can't with you, neither of you are the right people to help each other, once you accept this you will feel relief rather than pain of losing a relationship.

Here's a couple of sites with information and support, of course people here are supportive too. Don't foget if she becomes violent you can call 999 too.

https://mankind.org.uk/

Another PP further up sggested these https://mensadviceline.org.uk/

https://refuge.org.uk/support-for-men/

Raineys · 24/11/2024 14:29

To answer your question, yes, you absolutely are in a toxic abusive relationship and so is your son.

Get her out of your house and your life.
Your son deserves a peaceful house to visit or stay in, with you.

Not this toxic insecure woman.
Get her out asap.

Shelllendyouhertoothbrush · 24/11/2024 14:41

The first thing that came to my mind reading this was, "Protect your peace", not just for you but very much for your children and especially your youngest. He is a child (or young adult?) and to have an adult in his space who cannot even pretend or try to like him is unspeakably awful.

Your time with your kids at home is short, focus on creating a peaceful, loving space for them and for you. This woman is actively stopping you from doing this.

When you've got some headspace you can think about dating. But not your current partner. Relationships are supposed to enhance your life, not make them worse. It might feel difficult now but being single is so much better for everyone than being in a bad relationship.