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Was it emotional abuse all along?

26 replies

DAISYBELLAxx · 19/11/2024 09:39

Hi everyone, I have posted a few threads on this, but I am just trying to make sense of it all.

Aged 28 and on day 2 of being single.

This relationship came very quickly off the back of another one. It was a messy break up of a long term relationship, and my recent partner was around through it all and helped me with my things to move back to my parents. Looking back, I was/am extremely codependant and when he came along it was like I had been saved from hitting rock bottom.

He is a very stubborn man and I also suspect ASD. I always knew he was very opinionated and strong willed, but when I was going through a difficult time, that seemed refreshing as I'd never met anybody like that. I felt protected.

I moved in with him and overtime cracks begun to show. The first red flag was the way he spoke to his Mum (almost as if she were his child). I was in too deep and emotionally invested in him by the time I saw this. When I confronted him about this, he said not to get involved or ask as his relationship with his Mum is complex (claims that his mother was difficult during his childhood).

He would do kind and thoughtful actions for me (make me a hot water bottle and chocolate when on my period, put my phone on charge, stroke my hair as I slept, get me cough sweets when I was feeling ill). No grand gestures, but to me it was the little things that mattered.

But these times would be peppered with moments of unkindness. Little put downs that he would say are jokes and that I should get a sense of humour.

One of the things I love about myself is my singing voice, and he once told me when I was singing in the kitchen to stop shouting and that my parents only say I am a good singer because I am their child.

He would pick problems for no reason which made communication difficult. Whenever I talked to him about how I felt he would say that I am being over dramatic, clap at me as if I were putting on a performance, pretend to bow down to me and pretend to play the violin. He has called me a bitch and a spoilt brat in arguments.

He would say that I always want my way all the time. For example, when we were going on holiday and driving to the airport, I suggested that we take my car as his car was on its last legs (had broken down the week before). He was insistant that we were taking his car, and I felt so nervous all the way to the airport that we would break down. Another example is when I first moved into his place, he trapped a spider under a glass. I said to him that I would put the spider outside as it was cruel to keep the spider there. He said that I was interfering and getting what I wanted, and that he would be upset if I moved the glass. Now reflecting upon things, I wonder if he used all these moments to test my boundaries and nature.

It's so hard because I love this person, yet he has been so cruel. I told him after I was so upset, doubled over and wailing in pain after he played the violin again that I couldn't do this anymore. His response was 'go then' and to 'hurry up packing as I was wasting his time'. Then I get to my parents house and he texts me, telling me he loves me and doesnt want things to get nasty.

I am just so confused. I know this relationship is over for me, as painful as it is, but over the past couple of days it has been dawning on me that it was emotional abuse and not love. Surely if he loved me, he would see how cruel he has been and truly fight for me. He hasn't done that.

I would appreciate it if you could all give me your opinions and tell me whether you think I am being over dramatic. Obviously I am not perfect myself, and I keep thinking about all of the actions I did to contribute to this. It would really help me right now to label this for what it was.

Thank you.

OP posts:
AnneKipankitoo · 19/11/2024 09:41

Run.Don’t look back.

Girlmom35 · 19/11/2024 09:43

You made the right choice.
He was indeed testing you, seeing how far he could push you into submission.
It would only have gotten worse from here.

DAISYBELLAxx · 19/11/2024 09:46

I also feel a little embarrassed to mention that our intimate life took a turn in the way he would call himself 'Daddy'. I cringe as I write this, and have to admit that I played into this too. Now, looking back on things, it all seems like a form of control and submission.

I think I was messed up a bit when I met him and longed for that protection and he abused it.

I am going for my first therapy session this week to make sense of this. I am lucky to have an incredibly supportive family around me. I don't have many friends, but I have some who are there. I really need to rely on that support system.

OP posts:
Pumpkinpie1 · 19/11/2024 09:49

OP you’ve taken a big brave step to walk away from this man . Keep walking towards the sunshine, life will get better and happier for you without him.
Dont let anyone ever stop you singing OP x

TipsyJoker · 19/11/2024 10:42

Yes. It is emotional abuse. You’ve done the right thing by leaving. Go full no contact. Block him on phone, social media and email. You’re out. Stay out. And thank the lord you don’t have any children with him. Please read this book. It will help make things clear in your head about the abuse you’ve suffered and his abusive tactics. Not all abuse is physical. Emotional abusive is every bit as damaging as physical abuse. You will need time to heal. Once you’ve read the book, look to do the freedom programme.

https://www.docdroid.net/2fZmz40/why-does-he-do-that-pdf

https://www.freedomprogramme.co.uk

why-does-he-do-that.pdf

“This fascinating investigation into what makes abusive men tick is alarming, but its candid handling of a difficult subject makes it a valuable resource for professionals and victims alike…. Jargon-free analysis is frequently broken up by interesting...

https://www.docdroid.net/2fZmz40/why-does-he-do-that-pdf

CrispyCrumpets · 19/11/2024 10:47

Yeah he sounds pretty horrid. You are doing the right thing. Your 20s are too precious to waste on someone like this. You should be having the time of your life and any relationships you are involved in should be enhancing your life, not making you sad. He sounds cruel and cold. Keep away from him.

Bittenonce · 19/11/2024 11:18

The 'nice' bits created emotional dependency and trust - which he could then use to abuse and control. You did well to escape. Stay away!

TipsyJoker · 19/11/2024 11:39

Bittenonce · 19/11/2024 11:18

The 'nice' bits created emotional dependency and trust - which he could then use to abuse and control. You did well to escape. Stay away!

100%
It the classic cycle of abuse. Be abusive, love bomb to hook the victim back in and doubt their sense of reality, “was it really that bad” then start the abuse all over again. Rinse and repeat. They all do it. It’s like they all attend the same abuser finishing school.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 19/11/2024 11:49

Yes this was emotional abuse all along. I would put a crisp fiver on him not being autistic either. You minimised or simply did not recognise the many red flags.

You are codependent (one of your parents likely taught you to be codependent) and that also made you his ideal foil for him to get his claws into. He targeted you deliberately to abuse.

Your boundaries, perhaps already skewed by poor life experience and prior poor relationships, have been further eroded by this man now. I would also read Codependent no more by Melodie Beattie and enrol yourself onto the Freedom Programme, this can be done online or in person. Do not enter into another relationship until your boundaries are a lot higher than they currently are.

Bittenonce · 19/11/2024 11:50

Bittenonce · 19/11/2024 11:18

The 'nice' bits created emotional dependency and trust - which he could then use to abuse and control. You did well to escape. Stay away!

Edit - just to be clear - some guys will do nice things because they're nice people. But we're all vulnerable after a painful breakup, and the danger detectors often don't work so well. Unfortunately it's often the worst people whose 'vulnerable detectors' work best!

danid26 · 20/11/2024 02:11

Oh angel 🥺 you honestly sound so kind hearted! This is sadly, emotional abuse as horrible as that is for you to probably hear, but 50% of solving a problem, is acknowledging there is a problem. You are half way there, now is for healing and loving you. I'm so sorry you've had to experience this, I would definitely get a support network around you, and start finding your beautiful self again. Some talking therapy may also help. You can self refer too TalkWorks and the waiting list isn't awful either.

Sending hugs OP 🫂xx

squishee · 20/11/2024 03:14

Yes, it was manipulation, not love. People like that don't know how to love. You are well rid, OP.

Lurkingandlearning · 20/11/2024 07:46

Well done for ending it and organising counselling for yourself. You did the right thing any doubts you have about that are wrong. People often question the decision, I’m not sure why but it seems so common it’s natural.

Remember he said he didn’t want things to get nasty, not that he didn’t want it to end. But don’t be surprised if in a few weeks or months, when you are feeling more confident again, he gets in touch and promises you the earth if you go back. That is what men like him do and if the woman goes back things are very soon a whole lot worse.

It’s seldom a good idea to go straight into a new relationship after one that has been messy. Sorry for stating the obvious but it’s not just about giving yourself time to heal and reflect. It’s also because you are vulnerable to predators and they never reveal who they really are until they have you where they want you. They will be sympathetic, help you move out, listen to you vent. They already knew you were vulnerable but the venting tells them how much you have been prepared to put up with in a relationship. And then once you trust them they change, gradually at first but soon become far worse than the previous guy because they know they can because all the help and sympathy made you a little more dependent on them.

Not all men who court women after a breakup are like that. But at that time women are often not as discerning as they would normally be so it’s hard to judge who is genuine and who isn’t.

I hope your counselling helps and you can give it plenty of time.

PeggyMitchellsCameo · 20/11/2024 08:40

Hi OP I have read your previous threads on here and you have clearly been in turmoil with this man for some time.
Sadly, you have come out of an awful break up straight into an abusive relationship. He is abusive. Your threads have shown that in a fair bit of detail.
The fear of being alone, even at 28, can hurt so lots of us have stayed with people who have hurt us.
I was in a similar place to you at 29. I am sorry it took me so long to leave, but I am glad that I got away.
It did hurt for a long time. It wasn’t easy. But staying in a situation like this when you are so young is a waste of your precious time.
You are a bright and resourceful person. You have a supportive family. Looking back I turned my parents’ world upside down going back and forth.
Go to therapy and talk all of this through.
You did not get put on this earth to get treated so badly.
It is not easy but make a fresh start, take time away from dating, and build your confidence again.

Hairyesterdaygonetoday · 20/11/2024 08:57

I stopped reading when you mentioned the spider, OP. No need to read any further. Cruelty to animals is a massive, deal-breaking red flag. Run a mile from anyone who is basically cruel.

Please take the good advice you’re getting from PP here. You’re still young and have plenty of time to find someone better.

Redlarge · 20/11/2024 08:59

Sounds like my ex he got worse. As others have said run and don't look back. You are taking his breadcrumbs and putting up with horrible abuse it will deeply affect you if you stay.

FartSock5000 · 20/11/2024 11:11

@DAISYBELLAxx well done for getting away.

You are 100% right - he was abusive and was testing your boundaries all along to see how far he could push you into total submission.

This wasn't ever love. He may not even know how to love someone else.

The relationship was never going to be a happy, healthy one because he was play-acting the small, sweet acts to keep you on hook.

Read Bancroft's book as suggested and get help for your co-dependency. Don't start a new relationship until you've worked on yourself or you'll bounce from one abuser to the next until there is nothing left of your own personality.

DAISYBELLAxx · 20/11/2024 11:31

Thank you for all your responses. They are definitely helping.

My main question is why? Why would somebody want to do that?

I know that this is done, done, done. Pennies have been dropping over the last couple of days and I feel so sick and confused about the situation I got myself into.

I keep feeling strong and then I wobble again and cry. How can I miss somebody who has been so cruel?

All I've done over the last couple of days with family and friends is talk and talk. It sickens me to see their faces in shock as I tell them. It makes me crash back down to Earth with a thud. I can't believe this has happened to me.

It makes me question myself and whether I am a safe, sane person to have stayed in a relationship like that for so long. I am a school teacher! What is that modelling to little lives?!

I'm numb, confused, broken, gutted, shocked and frightened for the future. I have so much time on my hands now where there is just nothing.

I still need to go back and collect all of my things at some point. My Mum messaged him asking if my Dad could come with me to help me pack. His response to my Mum was the nice guy response - along the lines of - ofcourse, not a problem. I can help too.

I mean really?! How cold! He is effectively saying that he will help to get me out of his life!!

I feel so rotten. Never felt like this before.

OP posts:
PeggyMitchellsCameo · 20/11/2024 11:37

You will never understand his behaviour as you are a decent person.
It is good to talk to help process ‘stuff’ and speak to a therapist. However, it is easy to get bogged down with it.
You are 28.
You are well educated.
You have parents who clearly love you.
You have a home and you also have a future.
But maybe for so long you have felt defined by being in a relationship.
The next bit is not easy but it is worth it.
If you go back you will repeat this cycle and destroy you own future.
Now I am older, and my parents are no longer here, I am ashamed at the dramas I put them through. Give a thought to them. They have seen you go through so much. Prioritise spending some time with them to thank them for their support.

Bittenonce · 20/11/2024 11:43

Please please please don’t doubt yourself. You’re young, you’re only just out of a relationship that was harmful and controlling. You’re safe, you’re sane, you’re intelligent and articulate. You just need some time and space right now. Reach out any time if you feel you need it because there will be times you’ll feel low , and it will take time. Hugs

AttilaTheMeerkat · 20/11/2024 11:47

My main question is why? Why would somebody want to do that?

Because they can. As Peggy says in her comment, "You will never understand his behaviour as you are a decent person". Do not tie yourself up in knots further trying to understand the why and wherefores.

unsync · 20/11/2024 12:43

It's good you are getting help. If you feel overwhelmed, it's OK, take it a day at a time. You will be OK.

Don't bother with asking why, you'll drive yourself nuts. Although the quick answer is because they can and it makes them feel powerful and good about themselves. Pathetic isn't it?

Focus on yourself. Cherish yourself and find out who you are. Don't ever let anyone else tell you that you are less than or stop you doing something you enjoy. Know what is acceptable behaviour and build your boundaries around that, then enforce them. Most of all, well done for getting away, learn to love yourself, it's the best thing. A lot of us have been where you are now, you're not alone. Be strong, you've got this.

DAISYBELLAxx · 21/11/2024 20:01

Hello everyone.

I just wanted to reach out and say a big thank you for your comments and kind words.

Everytime I am having doubts, I am reading them for strength. I pick up the rest of my things on Sunday, and then I can focus on healing.

Teaching has not served me as a career for a long time, and I have always dreamt of setting up my own dog grooming business. I was going to build this up gradually due to finances with him (we were about to move to a house together and had plans to settle down in the next couple of years - feel so stupid writing this now!)

Now I am back at my parents with not many overheads, I have decided that this academic year will be my last in teaching. My parents have kindly said that I can convert their summer house into a groom room. Time to make ME happy and drop what isnt serving me anymore. My parents are honestly the best people in the world and I don't know where I would be without them.

Lots and lots of counselling needed so that I do not fall into this trap again. It is scary how much the spell he cast on me is beginning to unravel. With each day I cry less.

Thank you so much for taking the time to help me. Sending lots of love and hugs to you all. ❤️

OP posts:
DAISYBELLAxx · 21/11/2024 20:04

Oh - and I also have 100K in the bank from selling the house in the 8 year relationship prior to this partner. I plan to stay at my parents and keep adding to this, so that in future I can buy a place of my own or have it as a nest egg for when I meet Mr Right - not Mr Wrong.

I am determined to take a year or more for myself so that I can easily identify patterns of abuse next time and have the confidence to set boundaries and leave.

OP posts:
AnneKipankitoo · 21/11/2024 22:13

All the best for your plans !