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Mean kids

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Mummyof2monkeys2 · 13/11/2024 14:39

My daughter has had the same best friend since reception and although their friendship is mainly positive, recently I’ve heard more negative things than positive. They’re naturally competitive as have similar interests and go to the same clubs outside of school but some of the comments from the best friend have been really unkind and seem to be a jealous reaction to my daughter’s success. I’ve tried to encourage her to play with other children etc, she’s a popular child according to the teachers but this kid seems to have some kind of hold over her and she gets upset if she’s excluded from games or she thinks the friend is whispering about her. As a parent I’m finding myself resenting this child 😬because I see how it’s affecting my daughter but I know she has to figure it out for herself and cut the ties if she wants to. I’m friendly with the mum which also makes matters harder but does anyone have any advice on how to cope with this please? It’s draining me worrying about her all day at school 😩

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Mummyoflittledragon · 13/11/2024 15:46

How old is your dd? My dd had a friend (x) like this at the end of primary, start of secondary. X joined in year 6. In year 7 dd told me a few times she wanted to go to the netball courts to hang with some other girls but x didn’t want to go so dd stayed with her so she wasn’t on her own. I thought nothing of this but lockdown struck and the more time went on, the more evident it was that dd was people pleasing and x was becoming increasingly manipulative.

X spent a lot of time in my garden in lockdown 1 and the final straw was when she came to the table to eat and dd didn’t. When I asked x she said dd was upset and down the bottom of the garden. I suddenly realised how manipulated I also felt and was shocked that she was treating dd like a sibling or some such and my house as her home. In principle fine but not on comparing how she and her mother treated dd at their house.

Consequently I decided to get dd to invite a group of girls, half dd was friends with already and the other half wanted to be friends with dd for a few hours one afternoon (in the garden - lockdown) and got domino’s. I got dd to ask x what she thought of these girls. She said she hated them so she didn’t get an invite. I knew she’d say this as she had previously but I could then justify no invite. To be clear they were at my house for about 4 hours when x was always at my house (in the garden - lockdown) and each time eaten at my table.

X was notably upset and X’s mother told dd she is a bad friend. The mother phoned me about it and I was very clear. Perhaps dd was enough for x but x is not enough for dd. I used the excuse that dd doesn’t have family or cousin in our area or siblings when x does. What I should have also said apart from mind your own business is that x had other friends that she spent time with, who lived on her road. So dd was broadening her horizons also.

X stopped talking to dd for a few weeks then I suggested to dd that we include her in her birthday party. Things worked ok for a while. But she was not fine with these new friends and caused so much drama. According to x dd was disloyal as one of the friends dd invited over the girl didn’t like. Except it was fine for x to be friends with a girl, who actively disliked dd! Things got really toxic from there as x started slagging off the girl she didn’t like. As a result, the mother of the girl she’d been slagging off allowed a group of 10 kids to call x and basically cyber bully x. Dd tried to stop it, despite this dd was blamed… I know this as dd recorded the entire interaction and she didn’t say a word. X’s mother got the school involved. As a result, x started slagging dd off. Everyone at school believed dd but some mutual friends with dd and x did not, which caused more drama. Dd did absolutely nothing wrong and tried very hard to remain friends with x.

The girls are no longer friends and it was a real relief. Dd has changed so much and that friendship was not healthy because she would not allow dd to be friends with the people she wanted to be friends with. Up until x arriving on the scene, dd had had a lot of friends but x made it so awkward that dd simply couldn’t be friends with others.

Dd is 16 now and in year 12. I’ve heard a friend say to her she has the most friends of anyone they know. And dd does. She has an amazing ability to capture friends. She also isn’t possessive of friends and allows them to be who they want to be. From time to time she gets friends being possessive of her. I usually see possessiveness, where the mums are possessive of dd themselves as dd is very well liked by parents as she’s sensible and nice to her friends. Things unfortunately turned nasty with another friend as the friend became jealous of dd. To be clear, dd was not unkind to this girl. This girl blows hot and cold and dd always put up with the waves. It’s gone too far this time and even though I’ve known this particular friend since she was 4, she is no longer welcome in my home as she told dd to stop eating as she’s putting on weight. For reference dd has anorexia. The friend also told dd’s boyfriend she hopes he ODs on his meds and dies. I think it eventually is going to go the same way with another friend and cracks are showing. But dd is too old for me to get involved and I say very little unless I need to put a boundary up when things to go spectacularly wrong.

I have just realised in writing this just how much this first episode empowered dd to be her own person. So in answer to your comment, absolutely help your dd. Do it kindly to her friend. She may come along for the ride. She may not. The situation with the second friend (who told dd to stop eating) got toxic this year partly egged on by her stepmother. This is the stepmother, who told dd repeatedly that she’s like a daughter to her. Usually when this situation happens and you can feel possessiveness coming from the mum, there is toxicity.

I have a brilliant relationship with dd’s friends and call them my second daughters. But I am very clear they are not my children and I defer to their parents, their family values and cultures whereas in these instances the mothers / stepmother think they know better than me. I still love and care for the friend, who said such sickening things to my dd because my love is unconditional to these children. That doesn’t mean she is safe to be around.

Idk if the friendship with survive between your dd and her friend or between you and her mum. But if supporting your dd breaks the friendship with her mum, so be it. Your dd comes first. I get the pull and the hold you feel over you. Get some play dates in with other girls. Encourage on rotation etc. Allow your dd the freedom to feel what it is like to not be oppressed or worried by what this friend thinks.

username358 · 13/11/2024 15:52

It might be an idea to have a chat with your daughter about friendship and what it means ie how friends should treat you and how you can tell if someone isn't a friend.

You could also act out some scenarios with her so she can practise sticking up for herself and being assertive. Teach her some stock phrases.

It's also an idea to model assertive behaviour in front of her, demonstrate how to deal with difficult behaviour and how to effectively resolve things.

Girlmom35 · 13/11/2024 15:54

How old is your daughter?

I think that regardless of her age, you need to back off.
You are obsessing over your daughters life. It doesn't sound very healthy.
She is going to go through these things. That's what life is about. If you think your job as a mum is to shelter your daughter from experiencing pain, sadness, disappointment or loneliness, you are wrong and you're not doing your daughter any favours.
Your job is to allow her to go through these experiences and emotions, to be there for her when she feels sad, to believe in her abilities to get past them and learn from them, to believe I her ability to cope and grow and become more resilient as she ages. You don't need to protect her (unless in extreme and damaging situations). You need to tell her you see her strength and you believe in her, and to be there for her when the emotions overwhelm her.

And to do that, you need to manage your own anxiety better. Worrying about everything she might have to deal with, is telling your daughter this: life is scary, pain and suffering is something to be afraid of, it's catastrophic and I don't believe you have the abilities to cope with these things if they happen to you.

Take a deep breath. Back off. Maybe get some therapy to deal with your own emotions so you don't have to project them all on her.

Mummyof2monkeys2 · 13/11/2024 16:16

Thank you all for your comments, they’re really helpful and have opened my eyes a bit. She’s only 7 and I think the emotions seem to be kicking in around this age which is why she’s finding it hard to process. Her friend is very similar to her, confident and I think that’s why they sometimes clash where they’re similar 🙈 I totally understand she needs to find her own way and having lost my mum as a little child, I guess I’m not sure what a ‘normal’ mother would do as I never had that growing up. So I’ve definitely had one of the worst things possible happen to me and I guess naturally just want to protect her but I can see how it’s too much! She went into school crying today which prompted this post so thank you for your comments

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Girlmom35 · 13/11/2024 19:01

Mummyof2monkeys2 · 13/11/2024 16:16

Thank you all for your comments, they’re really helpful and have opened my eyes a bit. She’s only 7 and I think the emotions seem to be kicking in around this age which is why she’s finding it hard to process. Her friend is very similar to her, confident and I think that’s why they sometimes clash where they’re similar 🙈 I totally understand she needs to find her own way and having lost my mum as a little child, I guess I’m not sure what a ‘normal’ mother would do as I never had that growing up. So I’ve definitely had one of the worst things possible happen to me and I guess naturally just want to protect her but I can see how it’s too much! She went into school crying today which prompted this post so thank you for your comments

I'm so sorry for your loss. I can imagine that not having your own mum around must be hard when finding your way as a parent.
You're doing great!
We all mess up sometimes. Being a perfect mum would be way more damaging to our kids than if we teach them we make mistakes and learn from them.
I admire how you want to try to be the best mum you can be, even when that means opening yourself up to other opinions and criticism. That takes courage. Your daughter is lucky to have you.

Now breathe. Your daughter may go through some tough things growing up, as we all do. But she has you and you're not going anywhere. She'll be fine. And so will you.

Firey40 · 13/11/2024 20:04

Hello, I could have written this post myself!

My dd is also 7. It seems many of the girls in her class are having friendship trouble this term, for the first time.

I think a lot of it is broadly developmentally appropriate, and not ‘bullying’. I try to talk to my daughter about considering what the other person might be going through that day, that makes them feel or act in a certain way. True empathy is probably a stretch at 7, but it helps give her a little context.

My daughter is very kind, and I think her friend can be insecure/controlling, and also tries to stop my daughter from doing other games. I am encouraging her to speak up for herself, and understand that you can’t be friends with everyone all the time. It’s also normal for good friends to have time apart.

so yeah, I feel for you, it’s hard! I will continue to listen out for more serious bullying type implications but generally I’m satisfied that at the moment they are figuring it out ok x

Mummyof2monkeys2 · 13/11/2024 20:12

its so hard isn’t it, I think the bit you mentioned about good friends needing time apart really resonates because the friend has joined the same out of school activities so where my daughter had separate friends from school before, the friend is there at the clubs twice a week and she naturally gravitates to her over the other children she’s known longer. It’s great when they’re getting on as she loves the extra time together but equally when they don’t, it makes her not want to go to the club 🤦🏼‍♀️I’m sure girls are getting worse, I certainly don’t remember all this drama as a child 🤣

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Mummyof2monkeys2 · 13/11/2024 20:55

Girlmom35 · 13/11/2024 19:01

I'm so sorry for your loss. I can imagine that not having your own mum around must be hard when finding your way as a parent.
You're doing great!
We all mess up sometimes. Being a perfect mum would be way more damaging to our kids than if we teach them we make mistakes and learn from them.
I admire how you want to try to be the best mum you can be, even when that means opening yourself up to other opinions and criticism. That takes courage. Your daughter is lucky to have you.

Now breathe. Your daughter may go through some tough things growing up, as we all do. But she has you and you're not going anywhere. She'll be fine. And so will you.

Thank you for your kindness and also your honesty. Think I needed to read that today and it will help me going forwards

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