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How do I best support my partner and reveal my wealth to her?

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Davidgee · 13/11/2024 10:37

MNHQ agreed to post a TL:DR

UPDATE Much requested... TLDR 18 month relationship My partner has severe anxiety/PTSD which I am desperate to help her overcome I have a significant amount of money that I haven't told her about We're considering buying a house together now I want to manage revealing my wealth to her to make sure she is able to focus on recovery How do I manage the above?

Hi there,

A quick disclaimer: I must confess to not being a parent. This is a relationship topic, and I’ve posted here because there will certainly be a great deal of wisdom amongst you all on that topic. Thanks

I’m a 41 year old man. I’ve been in a relationship with a wonderful woman for a year and a half now. We have a whole lot in common and life together has on the whole been a really enriching experience. She’s brought out an awful lot in me that I cherish, helped me to calm down some poor social habits (too much socializing, an inconstructive relationship with alcohol, not prioritizing valuable friendships rather than fleeting ones), allowed me to deepen my spiritual practice and introduced me to a lot of interesting avenues of enquiry. I love her. I think, to the best of my ability as a somewhat emotionally unintelligent man, that we are in love and she offers me an awful lot of hope for the future- I never want it to end.
At the same time, there have been great rafts of pain, suffering and heartache for both of us. A lot of it is based in her mental and emotional wellbeing, or lack thereof. I’m sorry if I express anything insensitively or incorrectly. There is a huge gulf in our respective emotional intelligences. Defining, framing and communicating about these matters is a struggle for me. I think it would be for anyone, but this is my longest relationship (1.5 years), I have previously really struggled to make connections with people due to very emotionally withdrawn parents and moving around quite a bit as a youngster, so I have had to try to step up to the plate on those fronts a lot, not to mention the complicated nature of the conditions in play, which are, largely I would say, the domain of a professional.
She suffers from Generalised Anxiety Disorder and, I, my therapist and, she to a large extent herself, believe, PTSD, due to having a neglectful alcoholic father and a mother who was emotionally absent, despite tending to her and her sisters’ basic needs. Our therapist also believes it probably goes back to emotional absence at the very early stages of child rearing. We are open to this idea but as yet uncommitted (we’ve been getting counselling (she has had many attempts in the past) for about three months (separately, though with the same woman)).
The anxiety takes the form of relationship anxiety, health anxiety and social anxiety in the main. I could go on for a long time about the insecurity, instability and conflict that it has brought to us, but I’ll try to move beyond that to a different topic.
In recent months, I continue to go to therapy, whilst she has taken a break to finish her studies. I consider myself stable, working on my emotional intelligence and how to support her, but there continues to be a lot of challenges ahead for her. Her anxiety (which has PTSD at its roots, caused by severe difficulties during her childhood) is very very strong, most recently manifesting itself with continual fears about her health, as well as the stress of finishing her PhD.

She struggles to be alone, particularly when I am not at work, and we don’t have a lot of friends, which means I am her primary source of human contact and I often feel the strain of a full time job, housework and being there for her, leaving less time than I would wish for my own life, and an inability to spend time alone at short notice without upsetting her. At the same time, she is reluctant to mingle with many people due to health concerns, so we don’t often go out and socialize. Having said that, things are more often than not really nice and improving.

The very hardest part for sure for me is seeing her suffer and finding the hope of her recovery quite remote at times if I am honest. I want to experience so many things with her and for her to make things happen in her own life which are being denied by a cruel condition. I have tried to reintroduce the idea of therapy to her but she is disparaging of our former therapist, who has been open with me that she doesn’t believe my partner has reached a point where she is really ready to look recovery in the eye, believe it can happen and face up to the past to banish it forever. I am under no illusions that that single sentence could require years of concerted effort and support and will be so so hard. I do not take that for granted whatsoever. She is truly damaged deep down and very fragile. At the same time I fear the long arduous road myself. She tells me she will work in the future and I think that may help her but it may also be really hard. Beyond anything else, I need to see her commit to therapy and recovery, both for herself and for hope for parity and balance in the relationship as time goes on- there’s no doubt that I am currently bearing more of the burden of making a life together and that feels hard to envisage in the very long term. She is so smart, genuinely strong and has loving supportive people around her. She can do it. Day to day, though, she is very often just getting by.

This bring me to my current dilemma. I have made a significant sum of money through investments in the last few years but have never told her about it. Enough to buy a house, support her and probably, if well managed, so that neither of us have to work for the rest of our lives. I should add that I don’t wish to give up my job. I enjoy it, and I would probably cut down to two or three days a week and enjoy a slower pace of life, but still be a highly motivated and active person ideally pursuing creative projects on the side and trying to give back- I believe that’s what a responsible person should work towards. We won’t be having children. I would also like to travel more, as would my girlfriend, though I see that as difficult right now given her struggles. Also, there are differences between our attachment to things. Whilst not very materialistic, I think she would have no trouble spending a lot of the money, whilst I am very frugal and would prefer to give a lot of it away or use it to start a benevolent project.

As I have said though, the main focus for me is her recovery, so the main question I have is: how can I manage my/our wealth and knowledge of it to best benefit my partner?

  • I am scared that if I reveal it, she will relax and believe she doesn’t need to work on recovery. I’m scared she will know she can expect me to support her and so not need do the work to get better. I am led to believe that unfortunately only pain is the real driver to recovery. Ultimately, she may well expect that I view it as an equal split in terms of our wealth, that she has rights to that support and that I should therefore provide.
  • By no means will I refuse to support her (I currently pay most of our outgoings), but if it jeopardises her health I would be prepared to keep it secret for as long as it takes. However, she has begun to talk about us buying a house together, which I am also open to, but this presents a number of technical dilemmas. I have always said I will never lie to her, and I never really have. I’ve always told her my parents have given me my inheritance early, which is true (enough for a deposit on a house), but not that I invested that wisely and increased it many times over. If we come to buy, do I continue to conceal all the rest of the money?
  • The revelation of the money will come as enough of a surprise. I already fear the reactions she may have
  • Why have you lied to me?
  • The question of when an appropriate time to tell your significant other that you are rich is not a simple one in itself. Clearly I wouldn’t have told her the day we met or even a month after. I’m a humble person. I wanted her to like me for me rather than what I have. Obviously, I am confident that she does now.
  • A further caveat is that I wish for her to continue to keep it a secret- from everyone. I don’t like the idea of people knowing about it, but I’m still not entirely sure she could keep it a secret. I’ve never tested that. I think it’s a fair request. I’d rather not have it in the public domain.
  • Why didn’t you tell me so that I could invest my savings too? And I could have told my family about how to do it…
  • I have no wish to be a stocks and shares evangelist. I know how nervous she is and I’m sure she would possibly have lost everything in the markets. Still, am I being selfish? Don’t I have a right to privacy and not get leant on for investment advice that I couldn’t guarantee anyway?
  • All this time you could have treated me better and covered all the bills. I’ve been stressed about money all of this time when I needn’t have been
  • Don’t I have a right to a certain degree of privacy for a certain amount of time? The question here arises, fundamentally, how much exactly does one individual owe another in a relationship? It’s an awfully dirty concept, but surely we should strive for parity between the two parties. Clearly, anyone lucky enough to be in the position should support their partner, but ultimately shouldn’t we aim for a degree of balance, emotionally, time-wise, effort-wise, financially? I am already doing more around the house, paying for more and supporting her as best I can every day. As I say, I would happily pay for everything, but only in the knowledge that she can recover from her suffering. I feel like if she did that, things would be on a stabler footing. If they stay as they are, parity will feel a long way off. If they can, I feel a partner should provide food, shelter, warmth, health care and transport as a base. Alongside (if not above) that is emotional and mental security and wellbeing. Beyond that, I’m not sure anyone is obligated to provide material possessions they could afford but wouldn’t want. How much autonomy can I wish to claim without being selfish? As I say, in the main I want to help others after I’ve secured my partner and I.
  • Why didn’t you tell me before? You owe me. Let’s go out and spend and make our lives great…
  • As I’ve said, we have a different relationship with things. I have no compulsion to own a nice place, car or fancy stuff. Clearly, as soon as I reveal what I have, I transport us both to a different paradigm and I can’t be sure how she will become, especially if she feels wronged because I haven’t said anything. I have a lot of faith that it will be alright, but I can never take it back. She will always know I’m a millionaire and may become increasingly frustrated if I’d rather plan to give it to charity than spend it on her. She may even likely adopt it as a fear of not being adequately cared for in the future, despite that not being realistic. It relates to the above: what do I owe her? Obviously, I will provide security, but I’m reluctant to commit beyond that.

I will leave it at that. Any advice or points of view anyone can offer would be very much appreciated. Clearly it’s not an easy set of dilemmas. When she does learn of my assets it will certainly have a profound effect and I want to try to understand how that might pan out and how I can best make sure it helps her to the fullest extent.

Also, if anyone can suggest councillors, advisors, books or other resources who might help me, I’d be awfully grateful.

Many thanks indeed for reading.

OP posts:
5128gap · 13/11/2024 12:22

Honestly? I think the very last thing either of you need is to buy a house and sit in it on a pot of wealth with nothing to do but reflect on your feelings. I think it would do you both the world of good to focus on something productive, constructive and outside of yourselves and your relationship. Keep your job and your social life (do not give in to her attempts to curtail your freedom so she is not alone or you'll end up trapped deeper in on yourselves) encourage her to focus on her studies and get a job. Leave your money where it is and say nothing until you are more certain of your future.

itsmylife7 · 13/11/2024 12:23

So you used to consume lots of alcohol.

You want to travel and see the world.

Your new partner has severe anxiety around most things.

It's not going to work, is my opinion.

WomenWhoWearBlackLeadColourfulLives · 13/11/2024 12:26

Apologies if you did note this but how old is she? Sounds like possibly younger?

As others have noted the money scenario probably isnt the biggest issue, youre taking on alot of responsibility for things that are out of your control.

thestudio · 13/11/2024 12:26

Aside from the wealth question:
I don't think a reputable psychotherapist would see you both. There is a conflict of interest. You need and deserve a proper psychotherapist (not a counsellor) whose focus is you and you alone.
You have already become her replacement parent - this will be impossible, I'd say, to disentangle going forward, especially since your wealth will (in her mind, but also in reality) formalise this parent-child dynamic.

The wealth question:
Your values around money differ so significantly that you will never be happy together
The above will increase the resentment she will feel towards you for having hidden your wealth from her thus far

Honestly OP, I know you think you love her but so much of this is because you have previously not been open to/capable of a relationship. By all means be grateful for her part in your growth - but you have really achieved most of this on your own, and probably would have come to it under your own steam as you realised that the life you were leading was unsatisfying. You have many, many more years to live and will be much happier with someone who does not have significant mental health issues, as she does. As painful as it will be to break up, I don't think she will be able to address her serious issues within the complications of your relationship.

Sorry to be so negative.

junebirthdaygirl · 13/11/2024 12:28

I am concerned about your very, very long post with so much unnecessary stuff added in. In my experience folk with certain mental health issues themselves get carried away writing and overexplaining so l would say look at your own mental health first. I mean this kindly.
There is too much difficulty on both sides to enter into a healthy relationship. Your dp has every opportunity to deal with her anxiety and chooses not to. That is a direct reason for you to walk away..even for her sake..as its not healthy propping her up.
But continue your own counselling.

TheSecondMrsCampbellBlack · 13/11/2024 12:36

Tbh the relationship sounds like a disaster: lots of angst, not much joy. I'd leave her in your position.

MounjaroUser · 13/11/2024 12:36

Justme2023123 · 13/11/2024 10:40

Going to need a TL:DR version, sorry @Davidgee

He's minted.
She's lazy.
What should he do?

MounjaroUser · 13/11/2024 12:37

I'd leave her, too. She's too much trouble and you know already that she'll bleed you dry.

Uricon2 · 13/11/2024 12:38

You see eg her changing your habit of "too much socialising" as a positive but then say "I often feel the strain of a full time job, housework and being there for her, leaving less time than I would wish for my own life, and an inability to spend time alone at short notice without upsetting her. At the same time, she is reluctant to mingle with many people due to health concerns, so we don’t often go out and socialize. "

It sounds to me as if in this area and possibly others she is curtailing your life to suit her own needs, while not doing much herself to work on her own well being. Also, why is she talking about buying a house together when she is still studying and "She tells me she will work in the future". What is she planning as her contribution to this house purchase?

It comes across that you are scared of losing her but also know deep down how very fragile this relationship is and fear the future. You are right to do do, because as others have said, it really, really ought not be this complicated 18 months in, when taking financial responsibility for another adult human shouldn't even be part of the thinking.

Don't set yourself on fire to keep her warm.

Okigen · 13/11/2024 12:40

Both my bf and I suffer from anxiety/childhood trauma, although nowhere to this level, and it did cause a lot of issues early in our relationship. Agree with other posters that it may be best if you call a break and work on yourselves before deciding whether to date each other again. However, since you seem to love her dearly and don't want that solution, my advice is not to disclose wealth, buy a house or do anything financially with her yet. And certainly don't tell her that you can support her. This can help relieve her anxiety in the short term, but will backfire in longer term because the more you shelter her, the smaller her her tolerance of negative events will become and soon enough she will find other minor stuffs to be upset about.

timenowplease · 13/11/2024 12:43

From what to say she has enriched your life in many useful ways and whilst this is great, she sounds like she has a great many issues (which you admit glossing over for brevity).

When I was younger I would have continued on in relationship like that (and did) but l certainly wouldn't now and wish I'd had that level of insight in past relationships.

You can't fix people and you can't expect people to change. They usually don't, even with help.

I think the money is irrelevant. If you've been seeing each other for 18months and both of you are having therapy for the relationship it's a no go.

Cloouudnine · 13/11/2024 12:48

Why would you even consider buying a house with her?

It makes no sense at all to tie yourselves together financially when you haven’t sorted out the basics of compatibility (socialising, travel, etc).

Do not mention your wealth at all. It’s not important. You can tell her later, it is like a pension fund - a buffer so that if you become unwell or need help in old age, you have money to fall back on. You wouldn’t discuss your pension fund with your partner, would you? Think of it like that.

If her MH deteriorate - which is possible - you will feel morally bound to stay even if it’s making you miserable. Why would you risk it? It all sounds incredibly hard work and incredibly intense already - if you can’t save her, what then?

The counselling sounds disastrous- find a separate counsellor for yourself

Lifeomars · 13/11/2024 12:52

if that is the honeymoon phase of the relationship I don't think the signs for long term happiness and contentment are good. Where is the fun and the joy?

Barney16 · 13/11/2024 12:53

It all seems to be moving quite fast especially as you have so many concerns. You sound a bit of a "fixer" but that can sometimes be quite controlling. Why don't you just relax and stop overthinking it. Buy a house and ask her if she would like to live with you, talk about a nice holiday, just wait to see what happens when she finishes her PHD. Just be in the moment.

catin8oots · 13/11/2024 13:01

Fuck me do people actually exist in relationships like this? All sounds like an utter ballache.

Me and my new man just like getting pissed and shagging 😀

MrsMitford3 · 13/11/2024 13:01

This reads like one of those secret billionaire tiktok's

Personally it sounds like waaaaaay too much hard work now-let alone after the money hits the relationship

Spinet · 13/11/2024 13:03

You are painting her as very passive and yourself/ your frankly overstepping therapist as very wise and all knowing. Money aside, I would watch yourself. Don't become a white knight and try to rescue her as that would be terrible for both of you.

The fact that you see the money as an issue in all this means she is not an independent person and for that reason I would tread very carefully for both your sakes. I'm a fan of therapy and all that but I don't think it should be anyone's hobby.

TwoTuesday · 13/11/2024 13:04

I wouldn't tell her at all as you have so many doubts about her as it is. You can't "fix" her unfortunately.
Are you sure therapy is actually useful here, it seems to be making you more confused. Can you also use common sense, eg ask yourself is this relationship making me happy, do I feel safe with this person etc.
Why is your therapist diagnosing her and discussing her with you, that's very unethical if she's actually seeing your therapist as a patient. Maybe you need a better therapist, or just trust your judgement that she is maybe not a good partner for you.

ToSleepPurchancetoDream · 13/11/2024 13:07

Different Perspective:

You say you love her and want to be with her forever.

Are you perapred for that to be with her remaining to struggle with mental health, be dependent on you, and for this to limit opportunites in your life and change how you live?

If the answer to that is: Yes, I love her and value her above all those things and just want a life together, then it could work.

There are many happy marriages where one person is more dependent and their helath limits what is possible for that couple. And they make adjustments based on that: they learn to live a quiet insular life, don't travel but enjoy other things such as gardeming/ dogs/ cooking together/ whatever.

A true love would be being preparde to put nher above all else and sacrifice and care for her. That is what love is.

I sense though that what your dilemma is really: do I want that? You seem to want a diffrent version of her, which gives you a different futire from the one she actually offers. That's why the money is a dilemma.

If you were happy to support her forever the money would just be a wonderful bonus because you could.

I think the real questionm here is: Do you want the actual lilkley future with this women, or do you only want the possibility of the other future if she is fixed?

sandyhappypeople · 13/11/2024 13:09

Bottom line, how do you know she loves you and wants to be with you for you? and how do you know you are really staying with her because you love her and want to build a life with her?

You pay nearly all of your outgoings, you are fully her support person, while that may be appealing to certain types of men (men who actively relish in 'saving' the dansel in distress, usually from herself), it is not the basis for a fully functioning healthy relationship based on mutual respect and love, where you can build a future together as an equal partnership.

You already know you are incompatible with regards to relationship wants and needs, what you class as a fulfilling life, she is terrified of, and she is refusing to engage with therapy. In other words she is already relying on you to help her rather than helping herself.. that will only get worse if you tell her how much money you have, so I wouldn't do that at this stage.

Unless you are acting like you live in complete poverty, not revealing this information isn't lying.. it should make no difference to the right person if you have money or not, so you listing all the reasons she will disappointed in you for not telling her from the start, is quite revealing in itself.

The time to reveal the extent of the money is when you are making a real commitment to each other, like marriage or children, she has absolutely no reason to know about it before then, and 18 months is ridiculous to be looking at buying a house together seeing as you are so incompatible. Why don't you buy one and let her live with you?

Moier · 13/11/2024 13:10

Oh go away.
You have posted this on many sites over the years..
Hoping some woman will message you.. then you try to scam them.
You are not wealthy.
You do not have this girlfriend .
This has scammer written all over it .

Comtesse · 13/11/2024 13:13

Happyinarcon · 13/11/2024 11:43

Protect your money. She will take half and walk away. Ask yourself why you are attracted to projects. If you want to help cheer her on as a friend

I wouldn’t be getting married to someone who was like OP’s partner. OP has too much to lose here to someone who is not looking after themselves very well.

ToSleepPurchancetoDream · 13/11/2024 13:17

Moier · 13/11/2024 13:10

Oh go away.
You have posted this on many sites over the years..
Hoping some woman will message you.. then you try to scam them.
You are not wealthy.
You do not have this girlfriend .
This has scammer written all over it .

Oh, and I wasted my time 😦

MounjaroUser · 13/11/2024 13:19

Moier · 13/11/2024 13:10

Oh go away.
You have posted this on many sites over the years..
Hoping some woman will message you.. then you try to scam them.
You are not wealthy.
You do not have this girlfriend .
This has scammer written all over it .

Totally agree with this.

samanthablues · 13/11/2024 13:23

This is a difficult thing to answer OP, I’m no MH professional but you sound codependent and in need to save the ‘damisel in distress’. It’s sounds like a very stressful relationship we’re you’re adopting the role of a ‘parent’ to her instead of partner. I believe you need counselling with a good MH professional to solve this mess, someone who will help you navigate codependency issues, what you want from this relationship and how sustainable it is on the long run. We, strangers on the internet are not going to be much help I’m afraid.