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Is he as insensitive as I think he is?

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enkelt2 · 11/11/2024 00:27

This is part anecdotal, part ongoing. Quite long, so please bear with me.

I moved to the UK about two years ago. I rented a room with a live-in landlord for three months initially. When I first moved in, I would chat with the landlord almost every day in the living room. We would chat as if we were friends, although I'd always been cautious because of the obvious power imbalance (he could easily kick me out).

I soon figured that he was a bit weird, verging on insensitive.

So for a bit of context, I'm ethnically Taiwanese, but I was educated in Canada and have been Canadian for more than half my life. I have a very clear, slightly Canadian accent, but definitely no Taiwanese accents. It shouldn't matter, but I'm 5'9'', and look more Southeast Asian than Chinese or East Asian. The landlord knows all of this.

  1. One day, out of nowhere and in no way related to the conversation, he asked me to buy him a Japanese bento box, even specifying his budget. I didn't, of course.
  2. He "offered" to teach me how to make mashed potatoes, unsolicited. He said this was a quintessential British thing (??), so he made it as if it was some sort of cultural education. Well, I took up the generous offer, because why not. But after the first time, he wanted to do it more often. Exasperated, I did it a second time but no more. I think he just wanted me to peel the potatoes for him.
  3. Once, he told me he'd just gone to see an Asian escort. Sadly, I didn't stop him there, so I ended up listening. He said he explicitly searched for "Asian" in the keyword. He then asked me, while sober and quite seriously, why Asian women's bodies aren't of a particular type. I think this example speaks for itself.
  4. He commented that "Chinatown is totally your vibe" (while saying that Soho was his vibe). I definitely have told him that I'm not Chinese.
  5. He once invited me to a social gathering with his uni friends. He told them that he'd invited me to go do speed dating with him, as "who wouldn't want to date a pretty Asian lady." (He did invite me, I didn't go.)

After a long time of no contact, he recently reached out and invited me to this firework night. I'd almost erased the unpleasant memories so I went. There was this bonfire so we just chatted, looking at it. Then, again, out of nowhere, he commented, "You probably don't really get this in Chinese culture, do you." "I'm not Chinese." "I know. I just mean, not in Asian culture." I did not know what to say.

Frankly, I've always felt that there's something a bit off about this guy. The most prominent thing was, when he decided that I was unsuitable to keep renting his place, he said,

"I've tried to use carrot and stick, but it didn't work on you." (He might have even used "train," don't remember.)
"What! You do know the origin of the phrase?"
"Yes."
"You know it was referring to training donkeys?"
"Yes."

I'll just leave it there.

One last thing. At the fireworks night, I asked him why he said he'd never want to see me again when I moved out. He said, "I felt that you weren't providing enough value to my life." "I was paying you rent." "Yes but..." (Couldn't be bothered to hear the rest).

I think I'll no longer associate with him. But gotta clear out the horrid things he's said to me. Unfortunately there are more examples. I have a clear answer in my mind, but just wondering if you also find him a bit insensitive. The only slack I can cut him is that he's only 26. But still, that's not a baby, is it.

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CheekyHobson · 11/11/2024 00:35

He sounds like a complete moron and I’m not sure why you kept living with/engaging with him for as long as you did.

enkelt2 · 11/11/2024 00:39

CheekyHobson · 11/11/2024 00:35

He sounds like a complete moron and I’m not sure why you kept living with/engaging with him for as long as you did.

Because I have boundary issues 😂, and wanted to be as amicable as possible while renting his room.

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CheekyHobson · 11/11/2024 00:46

Well If you’ve now moved out, I certainly wouldn’t be giving him any free rent in your head.

FloofyKat · 11/11/2024 00:50

Nah, he’s not insensitive, he’s just a dick. As a previous poster, said, don’t be giving him any more headspace - just get on with your life.

Noseybookworm · 11/11/2024 01:05

After his comment about searching for an Asian escort I would have not seen him again and refused his invitation to the firework party. Not sure why you went after his wierd and creepy behaviour. You could certainly have been more assertive and told him you didn't appreciate his ignorant and culturally insensitive comments. Move on with your life and don't see him again!

enkelt2 · 11/11/2024 01:13

Yeah. I'm trying to digest my behaviour to really move on and prevent similar mistakes. I think he actually complimented me more than anyone else had in my life--intelligent, "socially malleable", graceful... all sorts of things, and of course, completely unsolicited. In hindsight, these compliments felt a bit patronising, sort of like teacher-student pep talk. And I think often he used them to prelude the criticisms that ensued, like how I'd leave the windows open. But at the time perhaps they balanced out the nasty things. It's genuinely a curious case, but I think typing them all out now has made me truly realise how creepy he was (and how weak and stupid I was and still am!).

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CheekyHobson · 11/11/2024 02:12

How old are you, OP?

Snorlaxo · 11/11/2024 02:21

He’s not insensitive - just ignorant and clumsy. IME lots of people in England lump all East Asians as Chinese. On more than one occasion, I have heard people confuse North and South Korea when they couldn’t be more different. Confusing Chinese and Taiwanese is 😬

He clearly wanted to shag you but couldn’t ask you out directly. It is strange that you kept going back for more and more but luckily you accept your boundary issues.

category12 · 11/11/2024 06:38

He's a big old pervy racist, that's what he is.

Loopytiles · 11/11/2024 06:40

Creepy man, work on your ‘shark cage’

FictionalCharacter · 12/11/2024 12:13

This isn’t insensitivity, it’s very predatory and racist behaviour. Recognising that, and thinking about how you should respond if you’re spoken to like that again, is key. No woman should put up with this.

The comments were more than patronising- he’s describing a stereotype of women of certain ethnicities. “Malleable” made me shudder - shades of “docile, compliant, sweet woman”.

You’ve recognised your boundary issues and can work on them. There's no need to analyse him any further- he’s a predatory, racist pest, to be consigned to “terrible people I used to know but will never speak to again”. Think about how you can be much firmer in future so that he gives up quickly. You don’t need to take part in conversations with people like this to be polite. You can be superficially polite but ice cold and uncommunicative.
“No”. (With a blank stare).
”Hm. Well I have to get on with some work, see you tomorrow”.
<silence> (when he says something particularly awful) then a pause and “well I have to get on with work/washing my hair, see you tomorrow”.
No smiling!
Coldness puts them off, but he can’t say you said anything rude.

Deathraystare · 13/11/2024 08:29

@enkelt2
I hope to God you have moved out!

Seaoftroubles · 13/11/2024 08:54

He was decidedly creepy and deliberately trying to provoke you.
You admit you have boundary issues so l would advise counselling to help you you reinforce them.

OhTheSilence · 13/11/2024 09:05

Ugh just another creep with an Asian fetish. Block, block, block! Block him out of your life, block him on all communications, you don't need to give him a reason, there is no need for you to be in contact with him any more.

Please don't be hard on yourself, you got out safely and that's what matters. No need to cut him any slack (who cares if he's 26?). It was a learning experience that you can use to learn to not engage with toxic people. Plenty of advice online about people-pleasing and boundaries. If it might come from childhood trauma I'd suggest therapy.

gannett · 13/11/2024 09:23

I'm part-Asian and oh my god the number of guys like this I've encountered. Thank fuck not in a landlord/lodger dynamic. (I did briefly lodge with a guy whose exes were all Asian, which put me on guard, but if he had any creepy designs on me he kept them to himself, thankfully.)

I was imagining a creepy older guy throughout your post and was surprised at the end to learn he's only 26. I imagine he either has family money or is a very high earner to be a landlord at that age, and therefore is able to do the whole "superficial veneer of politeness/charm" thing that makes you wonder if you'd misheard or misinterpreted or surely he didn't mean it like that?

He did. They do. Men of all ages can be racists with creepy racial fetishes. Block him and don't forget why in case he manages to contact you for another fireworks date in three years!

enkelt2 · 13/11/2024 15:31

FictionalCharacter · 12/11/2024 12:13

This isn’t insensitivity, it’s very predatory and racist behaviour. Recognising that, and thinking about how you should respond if you’re spoken to like that again, is key. No woman should put up with this.

The comments were more than patronising- he’s describing a stereotype of women of certain ethnicities. “Malleable” made me shudder - shades of “docile, compliant, sweet woman”.

You’ve recognised your boundary issues and can work on them. There's no need to analyse him any further- he’s a predatory, racist pest, to be consigned to “terrible people I used to know but will never speak to again”. Think about how you can be much firmer in future so that he gives up quickly. You don’t need to take part in conversations with people like this to be polite. You can be superficially polite but ice cold and uncommunicative.
“No”. (With a blank stare).
”Hm. Well I have to get on with some work, see you tomorrow”.
<silence> (when he says something particularly awful) then a pause and “well I have to get on with work/washing my hair, see you tomorrow”.
No smiling!
Coldness puts them off, but he can’t say you said anything rude.

Thanks guys. Yeah I moved out quickly. I think his age may have confused me. Also blocked him for my own peace of mind. I feel heard here. Thanks for labelling him predatory for me, that's exactly how I feel.

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