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Buckle up!! To love but not in love!!

29 replies

FlorenceB19 · 09/11/2024 17:08

Noted
Please buckle up…. This is going to be a long one!!! However, I’m putting most of it out there as I’m interested in other people’s opinions & viewpoints regarding my current relationship.

The back story!!
4.6 years ago, I separated from my husband after 28 years & 3 children. Sadly, we had a honeymoon period of 2 years & then the relationship concentrated on work life, then married 5 yrs later, followed by our 3 children.

We then focused on being parents & lost our connections along the way.
At times we rekindled but often reverted back to being parents & work commitments.

Then prior to Covid resentment started to build, my husband was/is a good person, a good dad, generous & easy going, although we are both avoidant’s of conflict, so rarely argued but we would go quiet, let emotions settle & pick up from where we left off!

The negative side was he wasn't necessarily affectionate, he was highly critical towards me & not very supportive at all. (Even though I was super independent & rarely asked for support, when I needed him the most.. he wasn’t there & I felt abandoned & let down on those rare occasions) Over time, this broke me & I felt I needed to save myself & preserve my mental well being. (I was also struggling with perimenopause unbeknown at the time)

I finally got my ducks in a row & we separated just like that.. no open discussion’s, no compromise, no reassurance (from him) so b4 the resentment became toxic. I had to leave as I knew he was stubborn & he would never leave or allow me to stay within our home)

Thankfully over time it's remained amicable & we don't ever discuss divorcing or rekindling. We're still a family & I love my husband & always will be grateful for our family.

However, 5 months after separation a work colleague/ friend separated from his partner of 6 years & became homeless. I regretfully offered him a safe place in my rented flat until he got back onto his feet (I had a spare bedroom & ensuite) during this time he declared his interest in me & stated he always felt butterflies, whenever he saw me at work but knowing I was married & out of respect he never told me! (If I'm honest, I had sensed he had a soft spot for me but never thought much about it mainly because I always sensed he was a lovely human being as he is & nothing would ever become of us, plus I had always enjoyed his company at work & with the odd coffee catch up (3 times in 10 yrs) but I was never interested in him in a romantic way, plus I didn't find him physically attractive!

Anyways... fast forward after a month or so of working & house sharing, he declared everything to me & yikes....
at 1st my gut shouted
'This is not what you want or need'

My heart screamed...
'Oh but how will he feel if I reject him?
I don't want to embarrass him!,
if I reject him, how will this impact our friendship?
How will it impact our working relationships?
My head questioned
'maybe this could be fate?
Maybe this explains why I always sensed a connection (albeit friendship)
Maybe this is our destiny? 🥴

Urghhhh.... anyways, I decided to go with the flow & see what comes from it!!🤔

There were many red flags as soon as we crossed that line... love bombing, I'm his soul mate, he loves me unconditionally, he’s never loved or felt this way for anyone before, this is new for him!!, jealousy, stalking to a point! Questioning my whereabouts?? Constantly phoning & checking up on me whenever apart, he changed his shifts to work majority of mine? He would sulk if I didn't answer my calls or text back! immediately!! Or if I went to visit friends or go randomly shopping!

Green flags, he's always been consistent, he walks the talk, & talks the walk, he's kind, thoughtful, caring, supportive, open minded, he's understanding & we can communicate well & open to compromise, he is very proactive & I like to describe him as a golden retriever, he's always one step ahead of me & he's always got my back.

BUT.... I've always been push & pull with my emotions! I love him dearly for him HOWEVER,..... I'm not in love with him & after an initial 6 month honeymoon period I haven't felt in love with him! 😔

(I do believe I have avoidant attachment tendencies & he most definitely has anxious attachment issues) so I’m unsure if this could be our issues?? 🤷🏽‍♀️

I get frustrated with myself for not being able to fall in love, I've tried & I keep holding on hoping it will suddenly click!! I try to force myself to be in love or become physically attracted to him but it’s just not happening!!
(He is older by 7 years, he’s 57, 5ft7 , over weight 15st10lb pregnant stomach look!) white hair, bold in the middle, (father tuck!! Style!) his face shows aging way above his years! (He has had a hard life & was a heavy smoker)!! (Yikes I hate to say it, but when we’re out together, I fear some people could assume he’s my dad!) (maybe I just forget that I too am aging at 50 but still feel 21!!) whereas he does looks way older than his years!)
I feel terrible acknowledging & criticising his looks!! It makes me sound really judgemental!! (I’m only trying to paint the full picture)
as for me…
I am not or ever have been close to being pretty, however, I’m fortunate to not be completely unattractive.
I am fully aware of my flaws & I have never liked myself within my own skin. I hate looking in mirrors & I am so self conscious & unhappy about my looks. (I’ve just learnt to hide it!)

YET...
4 years later we are still living together (we are now in social housing as after 11 months of being together he suffered a stroke & nearly didn't make it! (Obviously I was completely distraught & heartbroken, fearing that I could have potentially lost him without ever knowing if we were meant to be together (fate)!!

We had to move as my private rental wouldn't allow home adaptions & after 2 months in hospital he couldn't walk & I had to set up a mobility bed & commode etc in our front room) until suitable housing became available.

I had to take a year out of work and
I never once resented becoming his full time carer, as we had a good foundation of intimacy to work from & I never felt grossed out by it in the slightest.

Thankfully he pulled through (I have no idea how... the mortality rate for his stroke is 86-94%!!!
Also thankfully he has since recovered well after months of rehabilitation & has regained most of his independence. He still has residual deficits (left body coordination, hearing loss in one ear, facial drooping) he also sounds different due to vocal cord weakness! But overall he's a warrior & I am super proud of him!

He has now trained & works in the Brain rehabilitation unit supporting patients, the very same unit he had been a resident after his stroke 3 years ago!

YET...
I'm still not in love with him & at times it's harder as he's lost some of his personality qualities (he now lacks patience mainly with himself, but he gets frustrated & has aggressive outbursts!!) which I find really unattractive in its own rights (even though I totally understand his struggles)

He has become more insecure and fears I will leave him for someone else (even if I leave I don't want anyone else!! I left my husband to find me! & sadly, I didn't get that chance as I allowed him into my life!!) I do still hold onto some resentment towards him for opening up this can of worms!)

I'm also annoyed with myself for being a people pleaser & putting his emotional needs before my GUT instinct!!

We tend to argue most days!! Usually his insecurities questioning me? Or he finds fault in my youngest daughter (20 & lives with us & her German shepherd) her boyfriend will also stay round & he complains about them most days!! Or we argue as he doesn’t feel loved by me (I kinda understand, I do love him but again I’m not in love! & maybe that’s what triggers him) he is intuitive & sensitive. (I feel I am too!)

I have been honest with him with all of the above (besides the reasons as to not or why I don’t find him physically attractive, that would be really insensitive of me!!)

I really don’t know how/what to do??
So generally I do nothing!

I then think well.. I made my bed... 🤯🥴😔🤦🏽‍♀️

Just wondering… what would you do?

OP posts:
Box24L · 09/11/2024 19:17

Is there a condensed version?

mindutopia · 09/11/2024 19:31

Oh my gosh, how have you ended up in this situation? I fear he saw you coming. Place to live, built in carer, and a little something else on the side. Do you carry him financially too?

It sounds like you’ve been bamboozled by a pushy man simply because you have no boundaries and are a people pleaser. Fortunately, the house should be ‘his’ because he needs the adaptations. You and your dd need to pick up and go.

I think you are perfectly capable of being in love. I think the issue is you don’t stand up for yourself and say, no sorry, not interested, buzz off and more think, oh okay, maybe I can get used to you. You aren’t giving yourself time to meet someone fabulous, because you’re settling for whatever washes up. You deserve so much more.

Sassybooklover · 09/11/2024 19:54

Oh my goodness. You have settled. He's a nice enough person, you get along the majority of the time but you don't fancy him and aren't in love with him. You can't force yourself to fall in love with someone, especially someone you don't even find remotely physically attractive. This isn't going to change; you could stay another 10 years but ultimately you won't be 'falling in love' with him. The home you are currently living in, I assume would be his, considering it's adapted? There is no easy way out, without hurting your partner but you do need to end this relationship. I assume that you are now back working? You need to find yourself another property to rent (with or without your daughter) and move out. I agree with another comment that you have fallen into this relationship because you didn't have boundaries with this man, you allowed him to push you into a relationship that you didn't really want. The relationship has battered your self-esteem to the point that you feel, he's all you're worth. You deserve to fall in love, with a man you actually fancy, and have a happy life. You are worth far more.

AlwaysGinPlease · 09/11/2024 20:04

Condense it seriously. Way too much. Buckle up also puts people off.

satonacat · 09/11/2024 20:26

I read your post.
My main thought is why the fuck wasn't I born a man?!?

Honestly, throw away the rest of your life or not, if you can't handle or afford being single then it's unlikely to change.

carly2803 · 09/11/2024 20:42

get your life back in control

why are you even with him?

you have years left on this planet - do not waste them like this!!

JamSlags · 09/11/2024 20:50

Get back out and find yourself. Take DD with you (this man criticising her? Nah!)
Or face a future as a nurse with a purse.

BigBarm · 09/11/2024 20:58

I read it all and it made me shudder! It sounds like you have ended up in this relationship because you are a people pleaser. I think you need some time on your own to decide what you want from life . You have many left - please don’t waste it, you are worth more than this!

FlorenceB19 · 09/11/2024 21:00

Box24L · 09/11/2024 19:17

Is there a condensed version?

Sorry!! I do waffle!! I've now made an attempt to try to condense!!

The back story!!
4.6 years ago, I separated from my husband after 28 years & 3 children.

5 months after separation a work colleague/friend separated from partner of 6 yrs & became homeless. I regretfully offered him a safe place in my rented flat until he got back onto his feet. 🫣🤦🏽‍♀️

Anyways... fast forward after a month or so of working & house sharing, he declared he had always had feelings for me & yikes.... at 1st
my gut shouted …
'This is not what you want or need'

My heart screamed...
'Oh but how will he feel if I reject him? I don't want to embarrass him!,
if I reject him, how will this impact our friendship? How will it impact our working relationships?

My head questioned…..
'maybe this could be fate?
Maybe this explains why I always sensed a connection (albeit friendship)
Maybe this is our destiny? 🥴

Urghhhh.... anyways, I decided to go with the flow & see what comes from it!!🤯🤦🏽‍♀️🥴😔

There were many red flags as soon as we crossed that line... love bombing, I'm his soul mate, he loves me unconditionally, he’s never loved or felt this way for anyone before etc (I took these comments with a pinch of salt) jealousy, stalking to a point! Questioning my whereabouts?? Constantly phoning & checking up on me, he changed his shifts to work majority of mine? He would sulk if I didn't answer my calls or text back! Or if I went to visit family or friends.

Green flags, he's always been consistent, he walks the talk, & talks the walk, he's kind, thoughtful, caring, supportive, open minded, he's understanding & we can communicate well & open to compromise, he is very proactive & I like to describe him as a golden retriever, he's always one step ahead of me & he's always got my back.

BUT.... I've always been push & pull with my emotions! I love him dearly for him, HOWEVER,..... I'm not in love with him & after an initial 6 month honeymoon period I haven't felt in love with him! 😔
(I may have avoidant attachment tendencies & he has anxious attachment issues) so I’m unsure if this could be our issues?? 🤷🏽‍♀️

I keep holding on hoping I will fall in love or become physically attracted to him but it’s just not happening!!

YET...
4 years later we are still living together (we are now in social housing as after 11 months of being together he suffered a stroke & nearly didn't make it! (Obviously I was completely distraught & heartbroken, fearing that I could have potentially lost him without ever knowing if we were meant to be together (fate)!!
We had to move as my private rental wouldn't allow home adaptions & after 2 months in hospital he couldn't walk & I had to set up a mobility bed & commode etc in our front room) until suitable housing became available.

I had to take a year out of work and
I never once resented becoming his full time carer, as we had a good foundation of intimacy to work from & I never felt grossed out by it in the slightest.

Also thankfully he has since recovered well after months of rehabilitation & has regained most of his independence. He still has residual deficits, But overall he's a warrior & I am super proud of him!

YET...
I'm still not in love with him & at times it's harder now as he's lost some of his personality qualities (he now lacks patience mainly with himself, but he gets frustrated & has aggressive outbursts!!) which I find really unattractive in its own rights (even though I totally understand his struggles)

He has become more insecure and fears I will leave him for someone else (even if I did leave I don't want anyone else!! I left my husband to find me! & sadly, I didn't get that chance as I allowed him into my life!!) I do still hold onto some resentment towards him for opening up this can of worms!)

I'm also annoyed with myself for being a people pleaser & putting his emotional needs before my GUT instinct!!

We tend to argue most days!! Usually his insecurities questioning me? Or he finds fault in my youngest daughter (20 & lives with us & her boyfriend will also stay round & he constantly complains about them most days!! Or we argue as he doesn’t feel loved by me (I kinda understand) as I do love him but again I’m not in love! & maybe that’s what triggers him) he is intuitive & sensitive. (I feel I am too!)

I have been honest with him with all of the above (besides the reasons as not being physically attractive towards him. (that would be really insensitive of me!!)

I really don’t know how/what to do??
So generally I do nothing!

I then think well.. I made my bed... 🤯🥴😔🤦🏽‍♀️

It’s strange, because leaving my husband was difficult but I knew it wouldn’t break him as we were already detached emotionally. But my partner has said on occasions he would go to the nearest bridge if he didn’t have me?? & although he may not jump!! I do know it would break his heart! & I can’t cope with that responsibility.

Just wondering… what would you do?

OP posts:
FlorenceB19 · 09/11/2024 21:06

AlwaysGinPlease · 09/11/2024 20:04

Condense it seriously. Way too much. Buckle up also puts people off.

I'm so sorry... I do waffle on!! 😔

I have made another attempt to condense but unsure how I retag it??

Or how to reply to other comments?? 🥴

OP posts:
username7891 · 09/11/2024 21:06

OP take responsibility for your situation and stop acting like you don't have agency.

You've been in a relationship for years with a man you don't love. I don't think I've ever read anything so spineless as:

Oh but how will he feel if I reject him?
I don't want to embarrass him.

You know exactly what you need to do.

FlorenceB19 · 09/11/2024 21:39

Thanks guys...

Tbh.... it's really difficult being responsible for someone else's heart & mental well being. I suppose throughout my married life, I have always sacrificed my own needs above others & that was my kinda norm. 🤷🏽‍♀️ more so since becoming a mum.

I screwed up right in the beginning. I should have faced my uncomfortable feelings initially & shut it down, but I freaked out, froze & went with it!!

I regret that moment, over & over again! More so because I have now caused 4 years of misery for us all & I feel more trapped now than I ever did in my 28 yr marriage!! 🤯

I let it go on way too long but omg he laid it on so thick & it was made harder to get out! Right from the word go!! 🤦🏽‍♀️

More so after his stroke! He already feels vulnerable & useless & unlovable in many aspects.

I honestly didn't & still don't want any relationship & I feel that's why I possibly hold onto lots of resentment towards him.

If only we could turn back time??
I was so content in my little flat until he turned up!!
I know.... it's still my fault for not having the courage to speak up! 🤦🏽‍♀️

I do feel he did target & manipulate me, especially, as I was still vulnerable myself! At that stage!

Urghhh "that's a fine mess I've got myself into"!!!! 🥴

OP posts:
3luckystars · 09/11/2024 21:46

He is not your responsibility.

YOU are your responsibility

Cop on to yourself and stop pitying him. Get out now.

JamSlags · 09/11/2024 21:57

Tbh.... it's really difficult being responsible for someone else's heart & mental well being.

You are not responsible.

Urghhh "that's a fine mess I've got myself into"!!!!

So get out.

Genuinely - what is stopping you? You’re not married. You don’t have a joint mortgage if it’s social housing. You split up ‘just like that’ from your husband.

You can do this. As PP said, you won’t find someone you can love whilst you are wasting time with someone you do not find attractive, let alone love. That aside, you wanted to find yourself and you haven’t allowed time to do that before this ‘relationship that isn’t’.

FlorenceB19 · 09/11/2024 22:02

Although it's social housing, if I leave, I become homeless. Private rentals have increased massively in the last 5 years & I have no savings left as I poured it into furnishing the house.

It really isn't that simple to up & leave. 😔

OP posts:
twentysevendresses · 09/11/2024 22:53

That was the 'condensed' version? 😨

Crikeyalmighty · 10/11/2024 00:12

Feel for you - I did similar at one point but minus the stroke and eventually 'did a moonlight flit' -not proud of it but I no longer loved the guy - not sure really if ever I did and he had become very codependent- I would concentrate fully on putting yourself into a position to leave and let him have the house .

FlorenceB19 · 10/11/2024 00:17

twentysevendresses · 09/11/2024 22:53

That was the 'condensed' version? 😨

I did try!! 🫣🥴😂

OP posts:
FlorenceB19 · 10/11/2024 00:22

Crikeyalmighty · 10/11/2024 00:12

Feel for you - I did similar at one point but minus the stroke and eventually 'did a moonlight flit' -not proud of it but I no longer loved the guy - not sure really if ever I did and he had become very codependent- I would concentrate fully on putting yourself into a position to leave and let him have the house .

Yes... you hit it on the head...
co-dependency. I find him extremely needy & demanding.

I like my own space & company, whereas another contentious issue that raises often is he complains that I don't ever spend enough time with him, (he so says he never sees me!!) I find this baffling as we live together!! 🤯 I find him smothering!! 🤦🏽‍♀️

OP posts:
Noshitsherlocks · 10/11/2024 01:50

Just tell him to leave.

Tomatocutwithazigzagedge · 10/11/2024 02:07

No one falls in love faster than a man who needs a place to live.

I'm not sure how social housing works, but can't you apply for another flat for yourself now you're in the system?

He sounds completely controlling and unpleasant and he's guilting you into staying with him. You've given enough of your time and energy to this relationship, time to move on.

Aria999 · 10/11/2024 02:51

lol OP.

The condensed version:

You split with your husband, offered a colleague a place to live when he needed it, and ended up becoming romantically involved with him largely out of pity and because you find it hard to say no to people.

You want to leave but you feel guilty about it.

FlorenceB19 · 10/11/2024 03:52

Aria999 · 10/11/2024 02:51

lol OP.

The condensed version:

You split with your husband, offered a colleague a place to live when he needed it, and ended up becoming romantically involved with him largely out of pity and because you find it hard to say no to people.

You want to leave but you feel guilty about it.

lol.... thank you 🫶🏼

I do love you're version 👌🏻🤗

SIMPLES 👏🏻 👍🏼😂

I wish I didn't waffle on too much!! 🫣🙄🤐🥱🤦🏽‍♀️

OP posts:
Nothanks17 · 10/11/2024 06:32

Firstly, I didn't mind reading all that, it reads well and I got more understanding.

I can see some of my personality in yours and people pleasing into the rabbit hole - I get it!!!

This is out of hand though, you deserve happiness and now he is rehabilitated to independence with residual deficits - and from how you have described his change in behavioir - some manageable cognitive changes, it is time to leave. If he has another stroke, from the sounds of it you will stick around again.

If you have told him everything I would make plans to leave and he should understand why you are leaving - you have done your tenure with this man and don't waste anymore time!

I would consider some sort of help could even be like resilience training or some way to introduce saying no or being assertive and putting your needs first for future reltionships, or CBT. Resources online might help. The bliss of saying no starts of with guilt and overthinking as a people pleaser but its better than doing things you don't want to and it actually gets easier over time

Hungrycaterpillarsmummy · 10/11/2024 06:42

This is crazy. You put too much on is on "fate" blah blah.

This is real life.
You don't want to be with him
Break up and move on. It's not a difficult decision when you've spelled out you clearly do not want to be with him.