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I don’t know how to deal with Husband twisting everything

25 replies

Kitstar90 · 05/11/2024 20:57

long post, sorry.

Married for 3 years and no kids. Before marriage, he was fine. He is 41 and I am 31.

It became obvious husband had abusive behaviours after I got married.
Name calling:
Things such as slt, tramp, selfish, liar, btch etc
He even accused me of being bipolar. Didn’t like I wore makeup to work all of a sudden.
Said I was worse than all his ex partners and most toxic person ever.

Stupidly I would forgive or get over things as I wanted my marriage to work.

One time he pushed me. He apologised so much and eventually I forgave. Then later his dad died and he start to binge drink. In this, he’d drag me out of bed, pulled my hair once (after I swore back at him because he was being constantly swearing at me), threw water in my face

I did try to leave back then but he was taking it hard about his dads death and he was losing it. I did go back and forgave everything. For a year or so, things were great. He was apologetic about the past, and he became the husband I always wanted. For a good year or so. We had normal arguments but no boundaries were crossed and respect was maintained.

Things start to go back to old ways when one day he accused me of wearing makeup to work (when I had no makeup on). He couldn’t admit he was wrong even tho I wiped my face to show nothing was on.
Name calling started again.
Then slowly his need to debate me all the time. Shoving his opinions and getting angry if I had a different view.
Makes a lot of things about men vs women and how women think they’re it now because of their independence.
In arguements, he would tell me to get out of HIS house. Couple of times he’d throw my things out if I dared answer back to him or refuse to engage with him shouting at me.

Then mock me by imitating when I’d cry and tell me to cut my self (as after his behaviour to me at the start I did SH as a way to cope but did seek therapy after). He mentioned that my dad didn’t love me hence why he left (my dad left me when I was a kid). He began to swear at me a lot.

I’ll be honest after hearing such mean remarks, I did stoop to his level after a while. Although never physical, I did curse back. I did call him names like pathetic. And did say no one cares about him that’s why no one checks up on him. (His family don’t check up on him even though they stay in touch with me). I’d admit, I was wrong for that. I apologised and took accountability. Thing is my husband stopped taking accountability for a long time now.

He had a go at me for locking the bathroom door saying it’s weird to do that. He took photos of what makeup I had in my bag and accused me of secretly wearing that to work. (It was a different bag and not one I took to work).

I would leave but end up going back because he would start binge drinking or threatening to harm himself. I didn’t want that on my conscience. Plus he ended up really sick for few months so I went back to help him.

Anyways recently he’s alluded that I am a racist because I don’t defend his people (which isn’t true).

He claims I emasculated him because I paid off his credit card loan (£12k). I paid it off after I discovered he lied to me about his finances and I didn’t want him to pay interest. I admit he never asked me for the money but I didn’t want the bank making money of him. (I didn’t give that money for free as I didn’t want to enable that behaviour, so he is paying me back).

He claims I think I’m better than him coz I earn more. I said I’ve never said that. He then changed it too but it’s your actions. I asked for an example so I can stop doing it. He had NONE. He didn’t answer.

He claims I worship money. Thing is I never ask him for money. I have my own and investments which I use to overpay another house’s mortgage to own it outright.

and today took the biscuit:
He said I’m controlling, manipulative, selfish, liar. That one day I’ll grow up and realise my wrongdoings. I can never let him have his views unless they align with mine. Im too rude because I swore at him. The respect isn’t there. And next time he’ll make sure he’ll be with a more mature person. And he wants this marriage to end as he’s tired of the toxicity.

I said no problem about it ending but surely he can see that he was the one who start cursing and arguing first. He said that’s true but I always overstepped the mark and made it bigger. So I replied but when you get physical with me and throw my things, and throw water in my face? I’ve never touched his things or touched him.

Of course he played it down and say so what kids have water fights it’s no big deal? I replied but that’s PLAY fights. And he further added that I’m just desperate to be a DV victim coz he didn’t actually beat me.

I am not sad about the marriage ending. I know deep down for the long term it’s the best thing. What I am baffled and struggling to cope with is how he’s flipped his toxic behaviour onto me, projected on to me and downplayed anything he’s done to me. How do I handle this?

OP posts:
CosmicRoomster · 05/11/2024 21:02

Leave.

It doesn’t matter how he’s turned this behaviour round as a you problem. It’s a very common abuse tactic (DARVO).
You don’t have children, it’s a no brainer. Leave. As soon as you can. Don’t try to make any sense of his behaviour. Move on, put him way in your past.

Spectrum2001 · 05/11/2024 21:05

Leave now, or get him to leave. What a complete pr*^k, he is a massive narcissist and you’ll need some help to get through this abuse. Talk to someone, confide in a friend or family. But definitely leave, break the ties financially and avoid contact.
good luck, and stay strong.

solice84 · 05/11/2024 21:05

How do you handle it?
Leave , block and apply for divorce
Good lord
I'd be calling him a bit more than pathetic

Pinkbonbon · 05/11/2024 21:06

Probably in therapy. You've had years of domestic abuse. That takes its toll and is not something you just get over.

Give yourself time to heal.

Your feelings are valid.
Always rember that.

You don't gave to justify yourself to him.
Don't give him any more of your time.

Get the divorce rolling and the house sold asap and only communicate with him via a solicitor.

You cannot heal a wound with the knife still in it.

Get him gone. Then you can commence healing.

Learning all you can about narcisstic abuse may help you heal too. Doctor ramani in YouTube is good. So is the book 'why does he do that?' By lundy Bancroft. But uts a hard read so I'd wait till you are out and recovered a little before attempting it.

Never accuse him of being a narcissist fyi. He will reverse it onto you.

You can do this. Get him out and be free.

Stormyweatheroutthere · 05/11/2024 21:08

Imagine a family member having to ID your body..
Cold fact you are at risk.
Ltb and don't look back. Block in all ways. If he threatens suicide ring the police and ask for a welfare check. Start a case against him in case you need a non mol order in the future... He is abusing you.

DenmarkStreet · 05/11/2024 21:09

Leave.

Ambienteamber · 05/11/2024 21:09

Please leave this man. For good.

Changingplace · 05/11/2024 21:09

Please leave, you do not need to handle this.

mathanxiety · 05/11/2024 21:12

I got as far as the binge drinking and the threats of self harm and you going back.

Here's how this situation could unfold.

You leave and keep on going back either because you believe his empty promises or because you think he actually needs you, and end up being destroyed.

You leave and let the chips fall where they may and end up happy after you do some therapy to address your codependency.

You may think you can't leave and never look back but you can and you must.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 05/11/2024 21:13

Oh, just leave and let the prick drink himself to death. If you block him, you won't have any 'I'm going to kill myself and it's all your fault' bollocks to read, either.

StrawberryWater · 05/11/2024 21:16

Oh just leave already.

So what if he drinks and ends up alone, big deal. Let him get on with it. He’s a horrible sack of shit.

Dont believe him if he threatens to off himself. He’ll stop when you ring an ambulance and the police. Trust me.

username7891 · 05/11/2024 21:17

He's abusive and he's not going to change. Abusers want to maintain power and control over you. He obviously thinks women are inferior to men because he criticises your earnings and says you emasculated him.

These are deeply entrenched views which aren't going to change. You could contact a domestic abuse organisation for support in leaving the relationship.

BobbyBiscuits · 05/11/2024 21:18

He is scum. Get the fuck out of there, today.
Go to mates house, hotel, anywhere.
Don't ever speak to him again. You are better off alone. He's done nothing for you but manipulate and abuse you. You can find the strength to do this. Don't look back.

mathanxiety · 05/11/2024 21:23

He flips his toxic behaviour onto you because that's what narcissists do.

You have no use trying to make a relationship with a narcissist work.

Appealing to his better nature is a waste of time because he doesn't have one.

Trying to talk things through reasonably and rationally won't work with him because he is irrational and completely unreasonable, and he's operating on a level where normal rules of human interaction in relationships will never work.

Stop wasting your time.

Look up the narcissism videos of Jerry Wise, and Dr Ramani on YouTube.

Read "Why Does He Do That? Inside the Minds of Angry and Controlling Men" by Lundy Bancroft.

And get the heck out of the "home" you share and away from this man who will destroy you if you let him. Every day spent in this relationship brings you a day closer to destruction.

A1m52 · 05/11/2024 21:24

Go read my post from last week. Your relationship is worse than mine. The man I felt abused by was a hell of a lot nicer to me than your partner. You are in a absolutely horrendous relationship you could die one day.

Why the fcuk are you proving to him you haven't got makeup on. I wear foundation blusher and mascara every day. It's subtle but it's my look and style. It's how I face the world and feel abit more fresh faced. You need to be wearing your makeup and leaving this horrible man.

I'm no stranger to abuse. But he's never raised a finger to me and he's never ever controlled me to the point he's banned me from wearing what I want. Oh god yeah at times he's had the cheek to suggest I should curl my hair or wear shorts. But I don't change for him and he never forced anything.

Your post shocked me.

CheeseyOnionPie · 05/11/2024 21:30

Leave him. He will never get better. He will always be like this. If he binge drinks or harms himself that is his own issues and you are not to blame. He will ruin your life. You are still young.

Do not ever have kids with this man he will ruin their lives too and make them have unhappy childhoods and then they will have issues too.

category12 · 05/11/2024 21:31

Oh it's great you have no kids. Fantastic.

OK, what you do is - stop engaging - you don't have to prove anything or explain yourself or have him agree with you or defend yourself. He's never going to see it your way because he doesn't want to.

You can't "win" against an emotional abuser other than taking yourself out of the game.

Start your divorce and just get off the abuse merry-go-round.

Catoo · 05/11/2024 21:48

You know the answer to all of your problems.

Leave this arsehole. He’s 41 he won’t change.

You haven’t been together that long and you’re still young enough to find someone else to build a life with.

Phone a solicitor tomorrow and get the ball rolling. With your investments he’s going to try and grab what he can from you so get a good one. Make sure that loan is documented. You can show your payments of the debt and show he has started repaying it and so agrees it’s a loan. Don’t tell him until you are a few steps along in the process. And have somewhere to go and stay in case he gets violent. If it was originally his house he will fight for that and I would expect you would want to move out of it any way?

When you’re free of all this shit in a year’s time you’ll be so glad you helped yourself.

💐

Kitstar90 · 05/11/2024 22:38

Thanks everyone

OP posts:
qwertyasdfgzxcv · 05/11/2024 22:43

It didn't take me long to realise this isn't salvageable.

qwertyasdfgzxcv · 05/11/2024 22:44

This is not a life for you. Your job isn't to prop him up. Please get out and tell your family and friends so they can support you

TipsyJoker · 05/11/2024 22:50

Contact women’s aid. Get support today to make an exit plan. DO NOT TELL HIM YOURE LEAVING!!! Leaving is the most dangerous time for victims of domestic abuse.
Get any important documents like your passport, driver licence, bank stuff, birth certificate, etc all in one place. If you can take them to your work and store them there.

Once you are safely away from him, block him in all social media, email and phone. Then speak to a lawyer about starting divorce proceedings.

You might want to read these books/sources too.

https://www.docdroid.net/2fZmz40/why-does-he-do-that-pdf

https://archive.org/details/TheSixPillarsOfSelfEsteem_201811/page/n312/mode/1up

https://www.verywellmind.com/protecting-yourself-from-darvo-abusive-behavior-7562730

And do the freedom programme too
https://www.freedomprogramme.co.uk

This channel might also be enlightening for you

https://youtube.com/@survivingnarcissism?si=zaVvGwEitfyEXGts

why-does-he-do-that.pdf

“This fascinating investigation into what makes abusive men tick is alarming, but its candid handling of a difficult subject makes it a valuable resource for professionals and victims alike…. Jargon-free analysis is frequently broken up by interesting...

https://www.docdroid.net/2fZmz40/why-does-he-do-that-pdf

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 06/11/2024 00:38

Run run run

Never ever expect him to admit to any wrong doing. He will always be the victim in his mind. Anything he accuses you of is a confesssion.

Make a plan to get out safely and speak with a lawyer. Seek advice from womens aid to keep yourself safe.

Thank goodness you don't have children with him. You're so young you can heal and then meet someone else who will be kind and not abusive to you. Or be free and happy single. You have a bright happy future ahead x

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 06/11/2024 00:39

Read 'why does he do that' by Lindy Bancroft
And 'it's not you' by dr ramani

CheekyHobson · 06/11/2024 01:40

Abusive people can never take full or genuine responsibility for their harmful actions. They have a very deep need to see themselves as being right and justified, and cannot truly admit to themselves they were in the wrong.

Even if they sometimes apologise for things they’ve done, after a while you come to see they didn’t actually mean it because they start talking about how you “made” them do what they did in some way.

Your post was full of very familiar situations to ones I went through. All I can say is that in time, you come to realise that absolutely everything they did is about them and the kind of person they are, and nothing at all to do with you and the person you are. They twist their toxic behaviours into being “your fault” in their mind because they cannot bear to accept that they are actually terrible people. They have to be able to justify their own actions to themselves, and if they have to lie to themselves and others about what happened or make groundless accusations or call you names and degrade you, that’s just what they’ll do. Maintaining their view of themselves as a “good person” comes before anything else, even if it’s a completely fraudulent view.

The only healthy way to handle them is to cut off all contact. They are toxic and will only continue to
fuck with your head and emotions for as long as they are part of your life.

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