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Is he flirting??

39 replies

Blimey97 · 05/11/2024 12:37

I feel like I'm going mad. DP and I have been having some issues for a while (unrelated to this). We've been trying hard to work on things but recently, I've been feeling jealous of his relationship with another woman. This woman is much older than my partner, so I don't know if I'm being ridiculous. I need some insight. So they were friends for a little while but recently they've grown closer and massage every day. Good morning messages etc. He's sat next to me messaging her before so I've caught glimpses. Anyway today I just felt something was off so I went down his phone and saw good morning message with a kiss emoji. Then I scrolled up and felt sick because he was saying how he missed her, and a nickname she was giving him made him "feel mushy 🥰". Comments about how she must want a hug from him etc. I kind of exploded and told him how I felt about this. Obviously I betrayed his trust by going down his phone which I will admit but I would have never known he was crossing a line otherwise. He claims he only sees her as a friend and was not flirting. But is he being truthful?? He seems genuine but I would never dare to talk to a male friend like that. I don't know what to do as I don't feel I can trust him anymore..

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Blimey97 · 05/11/2024 13:29

He does genuinely seem sorry. He's deleted the messages. Said he won't do it again (but also states he would never flirt intentionally). I just can't erase what I've seen

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thiscantbemylife · 05/11/2024 13:31

Don’t want to worry you OP but the same happened to me, they both lied and a year later he left me for her. No one can understand it she’s two decades older than me and objectively not an attractive women in the slightest but she’s rich so in your case it could be as simple as he likes his ego being stroked or he’s wanting something from her… even if just to experience the older woman thing some men desire.

YesThatsATurdOnTheRug · 05/11/2024 13:31

He's taking the absolute piss denying that they're 'flirty' - I'd say that's a massive understatement.

swiftieswoop · 05/11/2024 13:35

Blimey97 · 05/11/2024 13:22

I don't know. It seems the flirting only takes place over messages not in person. They're never usually completely alone in person.

yeah right, there's obviously real life things happening as well.

Lubilu02 · 05/11/2024 13:41

Everybody has their own view on what crosses a line.
I would be seriously unhappy with those messages, but could probably look past it if my OH seemed genuinely remorseful and gave me an truthful explanation as to why they were behaving that way.
The problem you now have is that they see eachother when you aren't there, so the no contact thing that I would be demanding, would not happen in your case.
If he is really is serious about working through things with you, he is going to need to go no contact with her, which means juggling work or changing his job if necessary.
He's already crossed a line and it's now gone beyond friendship, all she is going to be now is a distraction for him and perhaps a welcome one if he thinks things aren't good with you.
Going to have to be tough or cut your losses and move on in my opinion.
It will all work out in the end, good luck x

palepinkmermaid · 05/11/2024 13:48

He is slowly getting into an emotional affair with her. Of course these messages happen when they are apart but they clearly have a connection and a vibe.

I'd not care about him deleting the evidence I mean messages. I'd care about his insistence on still seeing her and remaining her 'friend'.

What happens when they actually manage to get alone?

He wants his cake and to eat it to. You caught him. He made a few empty promises and statements.

BUT HE IS STILL SEEING HER NEXT WEEK!

Rollonsummerplease · 05/11/2024 13:51

Of course he knew what he was doing.
There is no innocent explanation for messages like those.
And the fact he is supposedly " sorry" but still intends to carry on seeing her and socialising with her shows how much she means to him. If he really was " sorry" he would be cutting contact with her.

Freeme31 · 05/11/2024 14:03

I think if he really wants to keep you in his life he has to let her go and no contact with her you will be forever wondering when he is with her. Don't try and be cool about this as it's alway ok until it's not

category12 · 05/11/2024 15:24

I'm not sure how deleting messages is supposed to be reassuring?

It's a meaningless gesture.

Especially given he intends to keep the friendship and continue to see her. 🙄

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 05/11/2024 16:18

I'd tell him it's me or her .... choose now please.

MsDogLady · 05/11/2024 20:50

Early morning message/kiss; Nickname that makes him feel mushy with 🥰; Teasing that she must want a hug.

Yes, @Blimey97, your Partner is deliberately flirting. He has begun a romance with this OW. He hasn’t actually been all in with you to work on your relationship because he’s been channeling his emotional energy elsewhere, and she is reciprocating.

Please don’t be conned by his current damage control shtick, where he is downplaying and saying what he knows you want to hear. He is well aware of his intentional behavior to energize their illicit connection and mutual validation. He’s making a mockery of you by expecting you to believe he didn’t realize he was flirting. He is lying.

It seems the flirting only takes place over messages not in person. They’re never usually completely alone in person.

The flirting will also be going on in person via playful banter with each other in the group and more when pairing off for cozy conversations. The truth is you really don’t know what he’s doing when he is away from you. He was engaged in inappropriate chat right under your nose.

As for OW, you’d be foolish to assume he isn’t attracted to her because she is older. Scads of threads here attest to that and I have personally observed it. The chat you saw shows that they are building intimacy and share a frisson. This is not a platonic friendship.

@Blimey97, he’s been playing with fire, abusing your trust, and damaging your relationship. Therefore, he needs to cut contact with OW immediately, as a consequence for crossing boundaries and to make amends to you. That he is refusing that, and is declaring that he will be going out with her, even in a group setting, is outrageous. He absolutely has an agenda to prioritize her and continue building their connection, and she will be expecting that. You don’t have to tolerate his faithless behavior. If he won’t cut her loose, I would end the relationship.

Pinkbonbon · 05/11/2024 20:55

If course it's flirting.

There's no reason a man should even be sending 'good morning' texts even. Do you text your friends 'good morning' ? Of course not. It's something people dating do.

Get the scumball the fuck out of your home and your life. Gaslighting, cheating prick.

ComfortableCushion · 05/11/2024 21:00

He's cheating right under your nose 😕 What an arrogant tosser. Sorry OP.

solice84 · 05/11/2024 21:23

Sorry if I missed it but who is she?
A colleague?

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