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Two shitty parents

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chemicalworld · 04/11/2024 13:52

Hi everyone,
I’m reaching out because I’m struggling to come to terms with a longstanding issue with my mother, and I could really use some advice.

My mother has always had a complicated relationship with me, but recently it’s reached a breaking point. I’ve felt that she consistently prioritises her own needs—and those of her husband (my stepfather)—over my well-being. There have been times when I’ve called out their behaviour, only to be painted as the "angry" or “vindictive” one for speaking up. She often positions herself as the victim, saying she “just wants peace,” while dismissing the real pain her actions cause me and other members of the family.

When my father left she fell apart, and treated me as the only one that could understand her. I was 11 at this point and I am now 43. I have always felt responsible for her and I have put distance in over the years to help mitigate this.

She met my step dad not long after my Dad left, who is a complicated character who has had a lot of trauma in his past. He has recently had an inappropriate conversation with a young member of the family, which he says did not happen and that my nephew was lying about it.

As my Mum couldn't cope when confronted with this situation, her husband trying to manipulate my nephew - and my step dad saying this didn't happen she took pills in front of my nephew until my brother called her out and she spat them out.

The inappropriate conversation is very typical of his modus operandai and I have no doubt it happened. The harm and hurt that this will cause my nephew has upset me, and when confronting ,my mum and asking her if she believes my step dad, she replied 'why wouldn't I?'.

There are so many ridiculous lies this man has told that I don't even know where to start. I did lose it with her at this point and held her responsible for not protecting me in the past when she should have done.

There was a particularly painful incident in the past when my stepfather was physically violent toward me. I moved out for a short time, and my mum initially left him but ended up going back to him, which forced me to move back in with them. I’ve struggled ever since to understand how she could make that choice. Every time I try to address this or other difficult moments, it feels like I’m either ignored or blamed. When we call her out she says she can't cope and will throw pills down her neck as a suicide threat.

Most recently, she’s been reaching out to other family members, painting me as mean and angry, while gaining sympathy and support for herself. It’s incredibly isolating, and I feel like I’m at a breaking point. I want to set boundaries, but I also feel guilty and keep second-guessing myself. I can’t shake the feeling that I’ve “lost” my mother, though she was never fully there in the first place.

Has anyone else experienced something similar? How do you deal with a parent who refuses to acknowledge the harm they’ve caused and keeps prioritising their own needs over yours? Any advice on setting boundaries or finding peace in this kind of situation would be really appreciated.

Thank you for reading.

OP posts:
SJandBabydoc · 04/11/2024 13:57

Have you thought about going no contact with them and cutting them off?

Gettingbysomehow · 04/11/2024 13:59

Join the club. I'm in my 60s and I have learnt over the years that my mother will never face the issues or address the problems. She simply doesn't want to. I've removed myself from the situation and have gone extremely low contact and now just get on with my life.
That's all you can do really. I think deep down they know but they will never admit it.
It's rather pathetic really but it's time to put yourself first now. Therapy helps a lot too. I've had loads of it.

Lastknownaddress · 04/11/2024 14:02

Hello so yes I have. Somebody on here mentioned looking at the Out of the FOG website and there is lots on there which you might find useful. I don't know whether what you describe experiencing from your mother would be formally classified as a personality disorder, but by the sounds of it she has certainly put her needs above all others and you have experienced all sorts of negative parenting behaviours over the years which will be painful to come to terms with. Abandonment, parentification, gaslighting, DARVO etc etc. If you can, I would really recommend finding a good counsellor. You are definitely not alone, but it is horrendously lonely going through it. My one piece of advice is you won't change them, you need to work on your own boundaries and deciding what you can live with in terms of maintaining contact versus distance.

chemicalworld · 04/11/2024 14:05

I have, but for some reason this is also really painful to me. I think this is what I need help making peace with. Because of our dynamics I thought I was important to her, as that is what she has told me, but now I am realising that what is important is her maintaining her status quo.

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chemicalworld · 04/11/2024 14:07

Thankfully, I do have a good counsellor. I've done plenty of therapy to help me over the years which has helped me to unravel all of the odd dynamics that we've had.

I'm sorry others have experienced similar, it is painful.

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Lastknownaddress · 04/11/2024 14:28

chemicalworld · 04/11/2024 14:05

I have, but for some reason this is also really painful to me. I think this is what I need help making peace with. Because of our dynamics I thought I was important to her, as that is what she has told me, but now I am realising that what is important is her maintaining her status quo.

Unfortunately i have found that it is the gift that just keeps on giving. Always something which throws up new ways to make you feel utterly worthless. I am so sorry. I can't make it feel better but I can give you a virtual hand hold. I have found people on here hugely supportive though when I have needed it. If only to feel seen.

Noseybookworm · 04/11/2024 14:32

I would definitely think about going no contact 😕 while painful, it does mean that she no longer has influence over your life and cannot continue to hurt you.

You have had lots of therapy - did this help you to realise that she is not going to change and will never admit/acknowledge the things she has done wrong? Ultimately, by trying to make her understand and acknowledge your pain, you are banging your head against a brick wall. Pointless and painful. You need to reach a place of acceptance - this is who she is and she's not going to change. You have a choice whether you allow this in your life or not. You cannot control how she behaves, you can only decide how you want to respond to it.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 04/11/2024 14:36

Grieve for the relationship you should have had rather than the one you actually got.

Deal with any fear obligation and guilt you have now through therapy.

You owe these people nothing, let alone a relationship. You would not have tolerated this from a friend and your mother and stepfather are no different. Have nothing more to do with them going forward. Do not set yourself on fire to keep other warm.

Loobyloo9 · 04/11/2024 14:43

The problem you have
Is you are allowing them in your life
They are not going to change
They will continue as they are
The only possible solution,for your good mental health
Is to walk away,and keep on waking
Do not let the reak havoc on the next generation,
Cut them out of your life for the sake of your mental health

chemicalworld · 04/11/2024 14:49

I think that another reason this feels the way it does, is that I have always felt responsible for her, because she made me that way. I have always viewed her as vulnerable and so have kept my distance but have been able to spend time with her.

As part of my ongoing therapy I have been putting boundaries in place, so when she talks about killing herself I have stopped the conversation and told her she needs to seek professional help. Both my brother and I have been doing this with her as we know that neither of us are in a position to handle her and we should not be her go to support if she feels this way.

This particular incident was relayed to me by my brother, and we both left her to it for a number of days and neither of us heard anything from her. By the time she called me I had been worried about her wellbeing (as im programmed to do so) but her phone call to me was odd. She asked if I had spoken to my brother, was annoyed that I had and this is when I asked her if she believed her husbands version of events. Her response sent me over and I let out a lot of things. She hung up, I sent more messages about how I should have been protected, but we've always been protecting her and these were forwarded to my auntie, who called them 'vindictive' - so now she's happier as she's got an ally. She just wants to continue to live in her messed up existence with him, and being a victim of her own actions, while she plays innocent.

I suppose because i've always been told how important I am to her, that I have been shocked at her response. The moment i've dropped the rope, and stopped being her sounding board I have stopped being useful. When I have wanted to protect the next generation from going through the same crazy that we did, she would prefer to call her grandson a liar than do anything about her known lying husband.

I have had quite a bit to overcome in life and I am just feeling rather beaten and numb with this as well, the effort put in over the years to support her. I know its warped. I will get there.

I do think she has a personality disorder, i'm not quite sure which one but feels like a mixture.

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BeachRide · 04/11/2024 14:51

I could have written this. I went NC two years ago and I've never been happier. You can drop your end of the rope, OP.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 04/11/2024 15:03

It’s not your fault that your mother has done forms of untreated and untreatable personality disorder.

Have a read of the out of the fog website.

You can only help your own self ultimately. Like many adult children of narcissistic parents she made you her confidant and told you things that were completely age inappropriate. Your brother and you received the Special Training to put her needs first with your own dead last. She will never accept any boundaries and will ignore them.

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