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Dealing with non-physical cheating?

14 replies

Ch10e · 22/10/2024 12:47

Hi all! Im just looking for some advice on the matter. I’ve been through this forum multiple times and always appreciate the support and advice given here so thought I’d share my own thoughts and what I’m going through.

I’d also like to add that I am looking into starting therapy in January. After the Christmas madness! But for right now, I just need some advice or guidance.

I moved to Belgium in September of last year with my partner. After a few years of long distance, we decided to take the big step to move in together!

The issue started only around 3 months ago, as before this, (even when long distance) nothing had changed, we were very happy together and I wouldn’t have thought anything was happening with him.

Anyway, long story short, I found out that he had been visiting a site that is for adults only and the conversations are entirely like what you can imagine. Very sexual and anything involving it. (Although I have never seen the messages he had been involved in).

I was obviously extremely shocked and hurt. We are usually very open with each other. I can admit that around this time we hadn’t exactly been as ‘adventurous’ in the bedroom but I didn’t see any issues and he hadn’t raised any issues with me. Everything seemed ok.

Of course I confronted him, he told me that he’s always been interested in these things and that he just ‘has a need’ to go on these sites sometimes. We have had the conversation before of ‘what is cheating’ and while not physical, I fully considered visiting these sites as cheating because the conversations are with real people and ‘emotional cheating’ is a thing.

He is now going to therapy to sort through his issues as within the confrontation he admitted that he knows he has an addictive personality and after seeing me in the state I was in, he kind of ‘woke up’ and saw how bad he had messed up.

We are now 2 months into the aftermath. We’ve spoken about it once or twice but, for him now therapy is where he confronts these things and he hasn’t really spoken to me much about it. I can understand with how he may be feeling he won’t want to bring it up much, if at all and for now I’m just supporting him however I can.

I also applaud him greatly for going to therapy of his own accord and facing his demons because it’s an extremely hard thing to do.

For me now though, I just feel so lost. I can’t even really make sense of how I feel. For him I try to be smiley and happy and it’s never really ingenuous. I love him dearly and we always have fun together. But some days it hits me like a train and I spend almost the
whole day thinking about everything. About how he went somewhere else for that kind of affection, from random women online. More than likely fantasied about other women and what they’d get up to. How he could look at me with no guilt while visiting these sites and talking to other women. It makes me feel sick honestly.

I don’t want to leave him, I believe he wants to be better and put this behind us. But has anyone else dealt with anything similar? I just can’t shake this thing, it’s like it’s always over my shoulder.

thank you.

OP posts:
category12 · 22/10/2024 13:06

Good grief, he cheated on you and you're the one supporting him through therapy.

Ain't it great how these blokes manage to turn it round to it being them that needs tiptoeing around and looking after? Heaven forbid you get space and emotional support to deal with what he's done.

Honestly he's mugging you off. He should be running around trying to prove himself and helping you with the pain he's put you through. And you're trying to be his greatest cheerleader.

Good lord.

His name is Selfish McSelfish.

CurlewKate · 22/10/2024 13:08

"But as Harry & Meghan were more secretive and private with their births they opened themselves up to that speculation."

Classic victim blaming. They had the perfect right to be private about their births. Many of us are. Whatever else they have said and done, they still have basic human rights.

Crikeyalmighty · 22/10/2024 13:12

@Ch10e they arent needs lovely- they are 'wants' - and only you can decide if someone wanting to do this ( and chances are they will continue) is something you can cope with mentally. The big issue is it's hard to feel the same about someone when you know this has gone on and it can tend to turn you into hercule poirot trying to catch them out

Jaehee · 22/10/2024 14:48

What have his 'demons' got to do with him having seedy sex chats with random women? He's the one who cheated and you're supporting him?

My advice would be to move back home and leave him to his camgirls or whatever it is he's doing before he grinds down your self-respect even further.

category12 · 22/10/2024 17:28

Sorry if I was a bit too forthright in my first post, it just angered me that you are the one hurt in this behaviour and he's doing nothing to help you or make amends. I hope you're still here.

When there's infidelity (even if it wasn't physical) the offending party should be supporting the other party: being open, talking it through as often as needed, allowing you to be angry, hurt, trying to be reassuring, helping you.

It doesn't sound like you're getting any of that. It's all about him, and nothing about you.

You've made this big move to be with him, you've made a massive investment in this relationship, and now you're putting your own emotional needs behind his, despite him being the guilty party.

This isn't fair, and it's not sustainable. You deserve a lot better from him.

supercali77 · 22/10/2024 18:00

Oh right, yeah, once he saw how devastated you were he finally understood. Like he'd never have known. Why did he keep it a secret then? I guess if he had no clue how it would feel he'd be fine with you chatting sex with a bunch of men then? And now you're supporting him through therapy. And he doesn't really want to talk about it. So, if you want to talk about it...tough sh*t? It's all very convenient for him. I'm sorry love, but you've not picked one of the good ones. He'll do this again. And are you quite sure he actually goes to therapy appointments? I be he doesn't

Ch10e · 22/10/2024 20:05

Hi all! I came here looking for both sides of things so I don’t take any comments negatively. No need to apologise for what you have to say!

I’m purely looking for advice/help as I don’t have anyone I can talk about this too. I do have siblings although, they’re much older and we aren’t as close and also opening up to family about this can cause a whole stew of things.

I’d like to thank you all for taking your time to comment. Some are very straight to the point but I thank you all anyway!!

I don’t want to defend him, what he did is horrible so I won’t go on a tangent about ‘small things’ that overall don’t matter.

I’m purely trying to sort my own headspace out. I think a main part of it (which is like many women in these scenarios) is I didn’t think he’d ever, ever cheat but more than that, there were 0 signs. He treated me no differently when he was online, on the site(s) and it’s just such a mess!

We had planned to start a family soon after I finish university and, I guess I thought life was done! That, I’d found my person and that was it.

Right now, we’re still together and, I’d like to start therapy as soon as I can. I’m not just accepting and forgetting and supporting him through everything… I did momentarily put my feelings aside while he started therapy, because he was a seriously broken man and I’d never seen him in such a state before.

Now he’s in therapy, I now need to focus on myself. But with how many thoughts and feelings I have, I feel like I could split myself in half!

I just wondered how other women had dealt with similar scenarios?

I need to sort through how I feel and I have said to him, if I can’t move past this or if, I finish therapy and I still have the same thoughts, then I will have to leave.

Because living a life constantly thinking ‘will he cheat’ ‘what’s he doing online’ isn’t a life at all.

I know some people may hate my decision and honestly had you have asked younger me, she’d feel the same way. I guess I’d like to try and see? We’ve built a life and been through a lot together but he knows if he did it again, I’d leave. No doubts and no second thought about it.

OP posts:
category12 · 22/10/2024 20:16

See, I'm not very sympathetic to men who suddenly become "broken" after being found out. My ex used to play that tune.

If you want to try to make it work, he does need to be open to discussing it.

Jaehee · 22/10/2024 20:22

We had planned to start a family soon after I finish university

How old are you if you don’t mind me asking? I would put the family plans on hold for now at the very least. Aside from all this, your post suggests you’re from different countries which would make a difficult situation even more difficult.

I’d like to start therapy as soon as I can.

Is the therapy to help you work through the pain of what he’s done, or something else?

he was a seriously broken man and I’d never seen him in such a state before

I’m struggling to make sense of this. When you confronted him about what he’d done, your post suggests he responded casually and didn’t think it was a big deal. Why is he a broken man? Because he realised he upset you? Where have the demons come from?

Because living a life constantly thinking ‘will he cheat’ ‘what’s he doing online’ isn’t a life at all.

No, it isn’t.

he knows if he did it again, I’d leave. No doubts and no second thought about it.

How would you know if he does or doesn’t do it again? How did you find out the first time?

I’m sorry if I’m coming across as blunt but it’s so horribly apparent to me how much this man is manipulating you and making it all about him and his needs, right down to not feeling like talking about it, meanwhile you have so many thoughts and feelings you feel like you could split yourself in half!

Attelina · 22/10/2024 20:26

'addictive personality'

A bout of therapy that you know absolutely nothing about is a cheap plaster on a very deep cut that is unlikely to ever heal.

He's told you that this is Jim, this is what he likes doing. You caught him out and now he's going through the motions of making you believe he will change.

He won't change. I'd bet my life on that.

Rain11 · 22/10/2024 20:34

He cheated on you online. If he had the opportunity, I had no doubt he would cheat in real life. He is giving excuses, lame ones "it's not a need". He is a liar.

I'm sorry you are in this situation, truly. You being older should make you not want to waste your time. I think starting a family with a person like him is an awful idea. Therapy won't change him.

Good luck.

livelovelough24 · 22/10/2024 21:00

Hello OP, I personally have never been in this position, but to be honest, I did suspect that my ex did cheat once or twice, but I could never prove it. I think in your case, that you two have to go for couples counselling. Having individual counselling as well, if you can afford it, would be great, but at couples counselling you would be able to hear him and make him hear you. Please do not have kids with this man, not yet anyway.

Good luck!

BlueSlate · 23/10/2024 07:32

I just wondered how other women had dealt with similar scenarios?

I kicked him out as soon as I discovered it. We were married with children.

He was also 'broken' and had therapy off his own back and wanted to rekindle.

Tough. I thought I was worth more than that (even if he didn't) and I thought I should be with someone who also thought I was worth more than that.

BlueSlate · 23/10/2024 07:35

Because living a life constantly thinking ‘will he cheat’ ‘what’s he doing online’ isn’t a life at all.

But that's exactly what will happen.

You will always have those thoughts.

And you will never know whether he hasn't done it again or whether you just don't know about it.

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