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How to deal with husbands ex

32 replies

PearlZebra · 20/10/2024 07:33

Hi all,

I’ve never posted before but I’m really struggling at the moment and looking for some advice…

My husbands ex during our relationship, has texted daily, constantly, sometimes it’s about the child so that part does not bother me, the child has medical needs so I understand there will be a lot of updates etc

However and sorry for the long post, recently I’ve had some discussions with my husband about opening up to me more and not trying to bottle things up, handle it alone etc (so I feel like I’ve brought this on myself a little bit ) so he did, a few weeks ago he said ex is really stressing me out, I asked what was going on and his ex had messaged about the child and school, again all fine, but then sporadically over the day had started just low key battering him with absolute wild nonsense, he passed me his phone and said take a look and I’m scrolling back and she’s sending messages every day, throughout the day, I’d said about 30% of the messages were actually needed and important the rest is just weird, confusing, to be honest utter rubbish.
i knew she messaged daily but i had no idea the amount of messages and how much content was completely unnecessary.

I find the messages really confusing and my gut says she struggling to handle things alone - for clarity ex only allows my husband access to the child for about an hour every 2 weeks despite him trying to support the ex more and see the child more. Last year he was allowed to see child maybe once every 3 months with FaceTimes inbetween

To give an idea of the messages, some examples are she fills out a medical form and asks if he’s ever worked for the government, he says not directly but has been subcontracted for 2 weeks once last year, Her response is that she is going to contact the fraud police, he’s impersonating a gov official, he’s behaving suspiciously, his probably involved in illegal activities, he ignores, she continues, then he replies to ask what is she talking about and he can provide contracts, payslips etc rather than wasting police time, she then replies with “i don’t have time for this, i have to deal with OUR daughter”

I feel awful for him because he desperately wants to help more, being cut off from his child has had a huge impact on his mental health and he then has the guilt of not being able to help but listening to how stressful the child is to handle

There’s also been instances where ex has said “she bit me today, you don’t know what it’s like to have to deal with this” “she ran into traffic” and it transpires that it wasn’t a bite, or she slipped on the pavement on a busy road and so on but he’s stressing about his child’s behaviour and that he can’t be there to help and it turns out she’s not behaving worryingly

Husband tried not to get into conversation with her unless it’s about the child but he wants to support and keep her happy as she will threaten to move cities every now and then if he asks her to stop messaging constantly unless it’s child related or if he asks for more access, she constantly digs at him, goades him into a conversation and then starts with the “I can’t deal with this OUR child is being disruptive”

I had no idea the messages were like this every single day, the messages from her are like 10-15 messages and then 1 reply form my husband and then another 5-10 from her, all day every day, I don’t know how to help him, we don’t know how to help her, I feel so stressed out by everything

the other thing that bothers me is when they do meet she will arrange but always say things like there must be CCTV, only one exit, she won’t stand anywhere near them, acts like he’s about to beat her to death all the time, (she has family abuse history I thought maybe had something to do with this?)
I can see it makes him feel like a monster and it’s incredibly upsetting and it means there is only 1 or 2 places locally they can meet that allow her to watch them on cctv but not be actually anywhere near them with 1 exit, these are places you have to book so if it’s full, or there’s a child party on he can’t see the child.
the other thing I find confusing is sometimes when he sees the child she will say why don’t you take her to the cafe after, the cafe being upstairs, where she can’t view them - which to me is again really confusing. To require cctv sometimes but not always I just don’t get it

has anyone any advice?!

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supercali77 · 20/10/2024 07:47

I would say he needs to go through the court for official contact.

Notamum12345577 · 20/10/2024 07:54

I assume he has been to court for access and she is ignoring the judgement? If so, I’m sorry that is happening to him

90yomakeuproom · 20/10/2024 07:54

Why hasn't he taken this to court already? This is ridiculous

category12 · 20/10/2024 07:59

If he wants more access, he needs to go to court, as obviously what he's doing so far is not working.

He might be able to switch to a co-parenting app to reduce the amount of superfluous interaction.

THisbackwithavengeance · 20/10/2024 08:09

I feel sorry for him. Please don't give him grief for the messages. He'll be at the end of his tether already with this nutter on at him and he can't tell her to fuck off either as they've got a child.

He needs support and understanding from you about how to negotiate this. Have you spoken to a family solicitor or attempted court action.

But I would also go through the texts with your DH and make suggestions of how it could be better managed in the future. For example, she has a go at him about impersonating a Govt official. Rather than him biting back and saying he can provide wage skips etc, he should've replied "ok" or a thumbs up emoji.

Notamum12345577 · 20/10/2024 08:15

90yomakeuproom · 20/10/2024 07:54

Why hasn't he taken this to court already? This is ridiculous

I would guess he already has, as it has been going on for ages

Cerialkiller · 20/10/2024 08:25

No one is mentioning how worrying the mothers behaviour is. She sounds like she could be having mental health issues, paranoia, quite unhinged. The constant bizarre texts is proof enough of her struggling with something. DH needs to ensure the reems of texts are recorded as evidence.

The behaviour would be understandable if the relationship had been previous abusive but I assume op doesn't think this is the case. And her texting him like that doesn't suggest she's trying to avoid contact in that way.

If there is any truth to the child behaviour ex mentions that is also concerning behaviour and the DD could be responding to a chaotic living situation.

DH needs to step up here. I'm hesitant to suggest social services check but I don't think it's unwarranted. At least contact nspcc asking for advice and for god's sake! GET TO COURT! He can't protect his daughter if he never sees her!

Nothanks17 · 20/10/2024 08:39

Court, the mum seems like she needs psychiatric help tbh.

Hope it gets sorted

BattedAnEyebrow · 20/10/2024 08:55

This is madness. The messages, the cctv, the not letting him see his child.

I agree that he needs to go to, or back to court.

ABirdsEyeView · 20/10/2024 08:57

She doesn't sound safe to care for her child - I'd be contacting social services if I was the other parent and pursuing full custody.

category12 · 20/10/2024 08:58

Was there domestic abuse in their relationship? Her behaviour does seem extreme so could be genuine fear.

Have you ever thought about doing a Claire's Law search on him?

solice84 · 20/10/2024 09:08

He needs to arrange mediation or at least attempt to as courts expect you to try mediation before
She will probably ignore this but he needs prove he's tried to arrange mediation and then he can apply via the court for access

purplebeansprouts · 20/10/2024 09:13

She sounds unwell. Personally if I were DH I would contact social services to mention his concerns to them. They will probably do shit all as they are SLAMMED. At the same time he should contact a solicitor to get legal advice. This is very important, he CAN'T do nothing. He has to act.

PearlZebra · 20/10/2024 11:29

supercali77 · 20/10/2024 07:47

I would say he needs to go through the court for official contact.

He has considered that but he thinks that will make her move cities to be closer to her family

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PearlZebra · 20/10/2024 11:31

THisbackwithavengeance · 20/10/2024 08:09

I feel sorry for him. Please don't give him grief for the messages. He'll be at the end of his tether already with this nutter on at him and he can't tell her to fuck off either as they've got a child.

He needs support and understanding from you about how to negotiate this. Have you spoken to a family solicitor or attempted court action.

But I would also go through the texts with your DH and make suggestions of how it could be better managed in the future. For example, she has a go at him about impersonating a Govt official. Rather than him biting back and saying he can provide wage skips etc, he should've replied "ok" or a thumbs up emoji.

No I never would, I try to support as best I can, often I don’t really know how apart from listening

his main worry is taking it to court will either lose all access or push her to move away as she’s threatened this before 😔

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PearlZebra · 20/10/2024 11:32

category12 · 20/10/2024 08:58

Was there domestic abuse in their relationship? Her behaviour does seem extreme so could be genuine fear.

Have you ever thought about doing a Claire's Law search on him?

I have yes and it came back with nothing, I did consider it but knowing him I don’t feel this is a possibility but I am aware I won’t ever know what happened between them. She never references anything that happened between them she just acts that way…She has history of abuse with her Brother and sometimes she says stuff that feels like she’s projecting that history on to him, almost like all men are just like that if that makes sense?

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PearlZebra · 20/10/2024 11:33

purplebeansprouts · 20/10/2024 09:13

She sounds unwell. Personally if I were DH I would contact social services to mention his concerns to them. They will probably do shit all as they are SLAMMED. At the same time he should contact a solicitor to get legal advice. This is very important, he CAN'T do nothing. He has to act.

Ok thank you, we will try that. I really think getting some professional advice is a good idea

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PearlZebra · 20/10/2024 11:34

category12 · 20/10/2024 07:59

If he wants more access, he needs to go to court, as obviously what he's doing so far is not working.

He might be able to switch to a co-parenting app to reduce the amount of superfluous interaction.

I’ve not heard of Co parenting apps - I’ll look into that - thank you!

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MrSeptember · 20/10/2024 11:36

I am afraid that I lost all sympathy when he said he hasn't gone to court because he's scared she will move. She sounds unhinged so if he really wanted to protect and see his child he would actually do something about it.

PearlZebra · 20/10/2024 11:39

Cerialkiller · 20/10/2024 08:25

No one is mentioning how worrying the mothers behaviour is. She sounds like she could be having mental health issues, paranoia, quite unhinged. The constant bizarre texts is proof enough of her struggling with something. DH needs to ensure the reems of texts are recorded as evidence.

The behaviour would be understandable if the relationship had been previous abusive but I assume op doesn't think this is the case. And her texting him like that doesn't suggest she's trying to avoid contact in that way.

If there is any truth to the child behaviour ex mentions that is also concerning behaviour and the DD could be responding to a chaotic living situation.

DH needs to step up here. I'm hesitant to suggest social services check but I don't think it's unwarranted. At least contact nspcc asking for advice and for god's sake! GET TO COURT! He can't protect his daughter if he never sees her!

Edited

Thank you for this, I sometimes wonder if I think she’s unwell because it’s all in our faces so wanted to get a few other peoples opinions

she did admit that there was no biting or running into traffic but didn’t address why she had lied about it

he’s worried if he does anything “official” she will move to be closer to her dad and access will be even harder/reduced

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TwistedWonder · 20/10/2024 11:41

How old is the child?

How long have they been split?

Why on earth would any decent parent not go to court for reasonable access when they barely see their child?

category12 · 20/10/2024 11:47

Couldn't he try for a Prohibited Steps Order if she might move far away?

It seems a bit daft to avoid court because she might move away and make it more difficult to see the child, when he hardly sees the child anyway.

Has he even spoken to a solicitor about his options?

Borninabarn32 · 20/10/2024 11:49

He needs legal advice. He can get a court order rushed thorugh if there's a safeguarding concern, which from her messages it absolutely seems like there is. The court order can prevent her moving.

But even if he just goes through mediation, and she doesn't engage and she does move, the mediator will refer him to court and the court will never rule that a father should never see his child so contact won't be reduced any more than it is.

She clearly is not coping with their daughter. So he needs to step up for his daughter.

We use appclose for contact with ex. He still messages but 1. He can't delete them and 2. They're not in my WhatsApp so I don't have to see it or think about it all the time.

PearlZebra · 20/10/2024 11:52

category12 · 20/10/2024 11:47

Couldn't he try for a Prohibited Steps Order if she might move far away?

It seems a bit daft to avoid court because she might move away and make it more difficult to see the child, when he hardly sees the child anyway.

Has he even spoken to a solicitor about his options?

I’m not sure what that is so I’ll have a look

I believe they went through the courts previously but she requested that visits had to be with his mum only. She refused to have an official/impartial person or another family member

she picked the one person who lives furthest away, (nearly 3 hours using public transport) is unable to drive and has deteriorating health

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AutumnCrow · 20/10/2024 11:54

He hasn't even spoken to a solicitor, has he?