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Do these things look odd to you?

135 replies

AppleWhiskers · 19/10/2024 19:23

A few things have happened recently that make me uncomfortable, but not sure how to get my head around them. In LTR, no children together, things have been a little strained over the past few years but nothing too dramatic.

First incident: About a year ago he began moving his dinner time later into the evening, hour by hour, until we were rarely eating together much at all. I mentioned it a few times and he said he hadn't noticed.
I then begin to notice that he seems silently irritated if I am in the kitchen when he is cooking. Then, last week, whilst making myself a cup of tea whilst he was at the sink, we were just having a laugh, fairly lighthearted vibe, and as I turned around to say something he caught both my upper arms in his hands, squeezing his thumbs into my flesh which really freaking hurt! I actually yelped. He looked puzzled and said nothing until I mentioned it hurt, his reply was he had no idea what I was talking about, but he was sorry if he had hurt me. It was quite out of the ordinary and since he is a big chap, surely he would have known?

Another incident: We had been planning a short break for a while, and he told me to go ahead and book it for any weekend that was free for me. I surprised him last week by booking our favourite place and told him the dates, then he went quiet. After a bit of prodding he told me he had arranged to visit a friend on the day we'd depart. He visits this friend several times per month, only a few miles up the road, and they tend to just listen to music together and chat. It wasn't an important meeting and could have been rescheduled for any day that following week, so seemed a bit out of character.
He was visibly annoyed and said he would come down the following day on a train!

Another: I have noticed that if I don't make conversation, he pretty much doesn't speak to me. He will say practical stuff, offer to make coffee, tell the occasional joke, but no actual conversation whatsoever. I tend to generate most things and never gave it much thought before.
One effect of this is that if I don't ask or instigate a topic, he won't tell me anything about his day, or ask my opinion on things. It seems really strange as I am certain it never used to be like that a few years ago.

There are plenty more odd details that stand out to me, but I don't want to make the post too long. I am wondering if this is common, or has had anyone else baffled in a similar way? There's a lot of things that when questioned, he either denies knowing what I am talking about or acts completely confused.

The day after the arm thing I had two small bruises on my arms. I showed him and he kindly rolled his eyes as if I was being silly. I am sure to god he must have bloody known how they got there.
He has never been particularly violent, apart one or two small incidents many years ago which were during a time of terrible stress. He is also very bothered about being seen as a 'good person', especially in his own eyes. He says a lot but doesn't act on his words. Obviously, I am having doubts, but dont' want to be too hasty.

OP posts:
AgileGreenSeal · 19/10/2024 22:27

AppleWhiskers · 19/10/2024 21:41

Ok, I really want to see what people think of this.
It is so intensely private but I have never spoken of it to anyone.

Many years ago I was sexually assaulted on a night out with a friend. It involved the use of a drug and I'd had hardly anything to drink. I certainly don't want to go into detail about that experience here, but something happened a few days later that never sat right with me.

My DP was supportive and I booked into some counselling. It was immensely helpful and helped me to process and move on. But around four days after the assault my DP asked me a really strange question. He asked what position I had been in when it happened, sort of how you might enquire about a sexual act.
I was shocked and told him so, but he didn't seem to think he had said anything untoward. I put it down to being sensitive and vulnerable at the time, but even years later it made no sense.
If I recall correctly he asked about a sexual position whilst looking slightly annoyed/angry with me (to my mind). I can't prove this, even to myself, but that is what flashed through my mind.

I know people here are now primed to see him in a negative light due to this thread, but I can still see it in my memory and have never been fully comfortable with it. I could easily be wrong, but it was over 10 years ago and I still feel weird about it.

I’m so sorry that happened to you, OP 😞 and what your husband said and how he looked at you just again makes my blood run cold.
There is just such a sense of horrible coldness about him and his off kilter behaviour. Be safe, OP. Hugs xx

EdithStourton · 19/10/2024 22:29

He is enjoying exerting power over you. He is not a nice man.

I second the suggestions to read Lundy Bancroft. It will help you see what is going on.

TherebytheGraceofGodgoI · 19/10/2024 22:36

I agree that he’s checked out but he also sounds abusive. I’m comparing him to my abusive ex DH as far as the trip is concerned, as this was something he’d do.
Any normal person would reschedule the meeting with a friend but he’s still meeting his friend and is now irritated that you’ve messed up the dates.
He will travel to join you by train the next day and this will inconvenience him and it’s your fault. You will feel guilty that you have inconvenienced him.
He is making himself a victim

Gettingbysomehow · 19/10/2024 22:44

You really do need to go and as soon as possible. I wouldn't even tell him, I'd just leave. I've been a victim of awful DV but for some reason this really scares me.

HazelPlayer · 19/10/2024 22:47

He sounds like a man who needs to be a bachelor, alone.

Now.

He made all the right noises about the sexual assault you suffered but then revealed how he really thinks by asking that question. The mask slipped.

The incidents of aggression etc.
Throwing objects is considered domestic abuse.
The shouting/screaming at all, but esp. when you were vulnerable.....
The grabbing you hard enough to hurt for zero reason.
The "accidental" standing on your feet.

With the arms grab, I think he was trying to act ok with having you in his space but maybe it was actually irritating and triggering him underneath - that's why he's been cooking separately and eating separately from you. He can't stick someone in his space, Esp in those circumstances. It makes him tetchy and angry. He couldn't contain it any longer.

He can't be arsed with someone, anyone.
I doubt it would be much different with anyone else sooner or later.
I would give him the space he apparently wants. Because he's not fit for a relationship.

There's also something about your examples that makes me worry on your behalf that he could snap/do worse someday. I'd worry about your safety.

He sounds sociopathic.

HazelPlayer · 19/10/2024 22:54

Oh and ateotd he can't even offer intimacy, or doesn't want to.

You're young to be accepting that.

The abuse is obviously more important (!)

AppleWhiskers · 19/10/2024 22:59

HazelPlayer · 19/10/2024 22:47

He sounds like a man who needs to be a bachelor, alone.

Now.

He made all the right noises about the sexual assault you suffered but then revealed how he really thinks by asking that question. The mask slipped.

The incidents of aggression etc.
Throwing objects is considered domestic abuse.
The shouting/screaming at all, but esp. when you were vulnerable.....
The grabbing you hard enough to hurt for zero reason.
The "accidental" standing on your feet.

With the arms grab, I think he was trying to act ok with having you in his space but maybe it was actually irritating and triggering him underneath - that's why he's been cooking separately and eating separately from you. He can't stick someone in his space, Esp in those circumstances. It makes him tetchy and angry. He couldn't contain it any longer.

He can't be arsed with someone, anyone.
I doubt it would be much different with anyone else sooner or later.
I would give him the space he apparently wants. Because he's not fit for a relationship.

There's also something about your examples that makes me worry on your behalf that he could snap/do worse someday. I'd worry about your safety.

He sounds sociopathic.

Edited

I agree with every single word you wrote. Like you took it from my mind, although it was vaguely unformulated in there!
I also agree about being too young for this.

I would not have considered leaving him to be dangerous, as the impression I get is one of apathy. However, looking back to the past and how I now feel, I would be a fool to underestimate him.

Thank you to everyone who has commented.

OP posts:
maudelovesharold · 19/10/2024 23:09

Bit why do it?
If we were ok at the time and no tension, it makes no sense. To my knowledge he wasn't angry - It would mean that there's a constant undercurrent of something ugly, wouldn't it?

He sounds like a sadist to me - deliberately inflicting pain on you just because….

Puffalicious · 19/10/2024 23:39

OP, I'm reading this & just want to sat that this is not what love looks like.

We're similar- I'm early 50s & been with DP 14 years- & despite having similarly tough times (bereavements/ a very tough SEN child/ menopause) & us both being irritable & irritating at times & losing our temper very occasionally, I'm never in any doubt he loves me & would never purposefully upset me or gaslight me. Our once wonderfully out the park sex life is now on average once a week, but that's life getting in the way, not because he dislikes me.

You deserve SO much more. You'll be much happier on your own. I've always lived by the maxim: does a person add to my life in any way? It looks like you know the answer. I'm so sorry, but get the feeling from your posts that you're strong. ❤️

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 20/10/2024 13:50

You're making the right decision to leave.

If you get older and are still together and you become less able and more reliant on him, he will have a lot of power over you and he won't use it well. He's almost certainly going to get worse, not better.

pilates · 20/10/2024 14:13

I hope you get “your ducks in a row” a famous mn saying on here. It sounds like slow torture. I wish you well.

AppleWhiskers · 20/10/2024 16:33

Oh don't worry, the ducks are quacking!

There isn't a lot to do, we don't have many ties, and I have spent the last 18 months distancing myself from a few other people that were causing me distress (who I knew through him, oddly enough), so it's been a work in progress, and I am happy to say that I've managed to do that without conflict and kept things civil.
He is the last to go. I knew this one would take a lot more work to unravel, but I am determined to make my plans.

Just said in another thread that it is much better to start anew, no matter how scary, than to endure perpetual misery with people who don't value you. Not easy by any means, and I have wasted so many precious years, but I am willing to work from the ground up, and aim for much better.

Thanks for the good advice.

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OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 20/10/2024 16:48

' the ducks are quacking '

I love that !

will you update us when the ducks are in their new duck pond, which I feel may be in a totally new area for you ?

Frith2013 · 20/10/2024 16:51

So he HAS been violent before?

Get rid, OP.

Freud2 · 20/10/2024 16:52

Agree with the above.

MollyButton · 20/10/2024 16:57

My top tips:
Get important documents out of your home to somewhere safe.
Have a grab bag ready. Ideally stored in your car if you have one, but somewhere secure he won't get to it but you can grab in minutes/seconds.
Go grey rock until ready to go.

And don't leave it too long.

goody2shooz · 20/10/2024 17:22

AgileGreenSeal · 19/10/2024 22:14

OP I’m concerned that he has lost respect for you and is hurting you & then gaslighting you that it was clumsiness (standing on your feet) or has no idea what you’re talking about (grabbing your arms).

He’s very concerned to maintain his “good man” persona so maybe is trying to provoke you, or maybe he just enjoys hurting / confusing you.

Either way I would make a plan for how I could get away without confrontation.

Then if you decide to go make sure you take everything you will ever need - passport, birth certificate, driving licence and afterwards never be alone with him again. Something about your story just makes my blood run cold.
Best wishes to you xx

@AppleWhiskers the above op has summed up exactly what I feel - this man doesn’t like you at all, I would run as far and fast as you can as SOON as you can.

AppleWhiskers · 20/10/2024 22:37

Coincidence perhaps, but this occurred to me tonight.
We spoke briefly a few hours ago, just regular chatter, mostly me, and I noticed that when I stop talking the silence falls like an iron curtain. It is almost tangible. It feels deliberate, and I have had this sense of him despising me for a while.

Sounds nuts, and I used to shove it away, but a PP above mentioned him provoking me or perhaps enjoying a sort of sadism, and it really touches a nerve.
That is exactly how it feels, as if someone is insisting they're really into me and a decent guy, but secretly there's a kind of hatred. It isn't something I can prove, nor care to, but I do actually feel it.

I have begun to notice that even in regular conversation he will disagree with me even when he is in agreement. It's like he's addicted to it. No idea why he even wants to live like this, it is like death. I am certain that even he knows that i would be 10 times better off without him in my life.

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SleepPrettyDarling · 20/10/2024 22:46

I think (from experience) that he’s silently goading you. I’m sorry to say I don’t think he likes you very much (he may not like himself very much and is projecting.) It’s not accidental that he’s taking a contrarian position. The physical intimidation Id find very unsettling on its own. The silently marginalising you, and behaviour changes, are him testing you. It’s terrible to live like this.

Catoo · 20/10/2024 23:09

OP as interesting as it is observing all this it really is quite worrying, please take care, and if these heavy silences descend, don’t fill them with chatter. Just leave the room and find something to do. The day you were being jovial but then you turned and he grabbed you was very sinister. It’s like he lulled you into a false sense of security then let you know that you weren’t safe.

I hope you have already started to look to find somewhere to move to. If it’s far away, gradually squirrel your things over to a storage facility nearby. Because when you do leave this man I think you need to do it quickly while he is out.

RogueFemale · 20/10/2024 23:16

@AppleWhiskers "The other two aggressive things were after a funeral once, I was feeling low and moping around. He seemed irritated by it so when I tried to discuss it, he freaked out and screamed in my face. As he is a large man, it was very disturbing at the time as no one had ever done that to me before."

A good, nice man does not behave like this. I think you need to run away as soon as you can. He sounds like a man who might kill you.

StormingNorman · 20/10/2024 23:41

He’s aggressive and cruel. Even the physical abuse seems designed as part of a psychological attack on you.

And it all sounds as if he’s trying to repress his abusive behaviours to a level that’s acceptable to him. “Accidentally” grabbing your arm too hard, “accidentally” treading on your feet, “accidentally” dropping your favourite cups. Lots of accidents.

I would be getting my ducks in a row because at some point he’ll snap.

LadyLolaRuben · 20/10/2024 23:54

Take care OP, post on here if you need to. This behaviour only tends accelerate and intensify. I'd get your affairs in order without him knowing in case you need to make a sharp exit or decide to leave

Marchitectmummy · 21/10/2024 00:27

Wrong thread sorry

RogueFemale · 21/10/2024 00:38

Another vote for this man is dangerous. Please get out.

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