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Should I move on from this friendship?

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matilda1077 · 12/10/2024 13:09

I have known 'Jess' and her little girl 'Lucy' for around 4 years now. We met via a baby group in 2020 and formed a friendship quite quickly, our little girls were born one week apart and we were experiencing being first time mums in lockdown together which meant we could really relate to each other.

As the years have gone on, her circumstances have changed a lot. When I met her, she was happily married and fully focused on motherhood like I was. Around a year later, she decided she wasn't happy with her partner so she left him and moved into a flat with her little girl. We visited each other regularly and I supported her through her divorce with anything she needed. She got into another relationship around a month later with an alcoholic, who ended up moving in with her and her little girl after a month. I voiced my concerns but she said she knew what she was doing. It was a very turbulent relationship but I supported her through the ups and downs until it came to an end. After that, she went into her party girl era and has put herself in some vulnerable situations, meaning that I've been swept up in them too because in good conscience I can't leave her alone (although she will leave me on the side of the road to get in a taxi with a random bloke from the bar) She encourages me to split from my other half too, and although we have had some rocky times over the last couple of years, I don't want to break my family up for issues I think we can work on. I feel like we are now at different stages of life, I'm in my family era while she wants to go out loads and meet men.

I don't want to be judgemental as it's her life, but I don't know how many times I can turn her down for a night out before she gets moody with me.

To top it off, our parenting styles are polar opposites, and although our daughters are best friends, Lucy isn't particularly kind to my DD (or her mum, or me for that matter). She hits, slaps, kicks, spits and shouts at Jess multiple times an hour, and Jess doesn't correct her behaviour. Lucy will scream that she hates her and punch her in the face, and mum will just reply 'I hate you too!' Or tap her back. Lucy smacks, pushes and snatches from my DD and Jessica won't say anything, so I am left to call her out on her behaviour while my DD is sitting quietly upset. She also says spiteful things to her, for example yesterday she spent ages getting her toy makeup on, a princess dress and little shoes, for Lucy to say 'you look so stupid'. It really hurt my LO as she's a sensitive soul. I gave my DDs a treat for pudding out of our Halloween jar and Lucy demanded one too whilst kicking her mum in the face. I told her that only little girls who are kind to others get treats in my house. I began tidying up some toys she had thrown across the room in a tantrum, and her mum told her to go and get herself something out of the jar?!

My DD hasn't hits or lashed out since she was a toddler, however after seeing how Lucy was yesterday, it seems to be rubbing off on her and she completely changes. I've noticed this multiple times after she has spent time with Lucy.

I feel like our friendship has run its course, but don't really know how to approach it. DDs go to the same school and have been friends since 3 months old, but Lucy just isn't kind to her and I don't want my little girl to grow up thinking that she has to accept mean behaviour from her because her mum won't correct her. How can I slowly distance myself? Right now she comes over here every Tuesday so I can feed and bath Lucy and she sits scrolling on her phone. I wasn't feeling well yesterday and told her I wasn't up to company, but she turned up after school anyway and said 'Lucy was screaming the car down if she couldn't come here so we'll just pop in for a bit' then stays for dinner and tried to stay for a bath too. It's all just very one sided and I gain nothing from it. So how do I phase out?

Sorry it's long!

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Fadeintoyou · 12/10/2024 13:21

She's sounds like a nightmare. You need to advocate for your child and get her away from the vile behaviour of both of them. It's not for you to save Jess. You need to be unavailable and firm with sticking to not engaging, phase her out.

People like that will only ever take from you

BMW6 · 12/10/2024 13:21

Text her that you've had enough of her dd violent and nasty behaviour so you are cutting all contact with her and her dd for your dd sake.

Then block.

CuppaTea23 · 12/10/2024 13:36

You sound like you know you need to move on, but it's so tough when the kids at school together. I think you could say the Tuesday arrangement isn't working for you and DD any more, you don't need to say why. Can you do anything to help your dd build healthier friendships? Does your partner share any thoughts on all of this?

FeelingSad2024 · 12/10/2024 13:42

You need to let this 'friendship' go for the sake of your daughter and your own wellbeing. No one needs this in their life! You've been a good friend and supported her where you can but you are getting nothing back and it is starting to affect your own DD.

To be honest you lost me a little at you doing bath time for Lucy at your house whilst she sits on her phone! How on earth have you tolerated this

You can either be up-front and say you can't see her anymore due to Lucy's behaviour, or you can 'ghost' her. If you ask her not to come to your house and she turns up anyway, do not open the door to her.

matilda1077 · 12/10/2024 13:45

It's hard because I've known Lucy since she was a baby, and I care about her so much - but she just isn't nice to be around and has been this way for over a year now. It's sad because it's not her fault, she's only 4. If Jess was stepping up to rectify the behaviour I would be more understanding, but it's the fact she sits back and says nothing, or just shouts at her which just instills in Lucy that it's okay to shout at people. I'd be mortified if my girls treated anybody that way. She has almighty tantrums over everything, if my DD has a cup that she wants and I tell her she has to have a different one as DD is using this one, she will find the thing closest to her and launch it across the wall, she has broken a few of my DDs toys and her mum will just shout at her but not offer to replace or apologise etc. My partner agrees that she takes advantage of me and only comes here so she can get free food and have Lucy bathed so she doesn't have to do anything for her, which does ring true. He's also well aware that she encourages me to join her in the single life which isn't something I want. He tolerates her to an extent but has told me today that DD has been lashing out all day today and when she is told off she replies 'why? Lucy does it to her mum'. So it's definitely having an impact on her

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matilda1077 · 12/10/2024 13:49

@CuppaTea23 The annoying part is, she lied on her school application form and put her ex husbands address down as she wanted DD in a school in my area as she didn't like the ones in her catchment. So she often says things like 'I'll just come to yours for dinner tonight or Lucy won't be eating until late. Same excuse for bathing her here too, and taking my DDs pyjamas with her (which she rarely returns)

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CuppaTea23 · 12/10/2024 13:53

What are you worried about if you put down boundaries? Does the ex have the child at all, especially if he's still local? This is so tough, but does sound like you've got into a co-dependent friendship, which won't help keep your own family relationships healthy. It's so hard when a kid is involved, but you have to prioritise your own. If her ex really wasn't that bad, maybe a quiet word would help you feel better about looking out for Lucy?

Faldodiddledee · 12/10/2024 13:58

I don't think there's a nice way to go about this, I think she's a user and you are very nice, and so she's trampled your boundaries and her daughter is trampling your boundaries. I'd make up a story, it'll be easier than trying to reason with a pushy person, just say I can't do Tues any more as my partner wants to do XYZ or date night or some other concrete reason. Ask him if it's ok to blame him a bit, he probably won't mind as he'll also be glad to be rid of her.

Ultimately you are letting your dd get hurt, model bad behaviour, toys broken and you are being used for heating, water, food and pjs!

It has to end, how you do that is up to you.

OriginalUsername2 · 12/10/2024 14:05

matilda1077 · 12/10/2024 13:49

@CuppaTea23 The annoying part is, she lied on her school application form and put her ex husbands address down as she wanted DD in a school in my area as she didn't like the ones in her catchment. So she often says things like 'I'll just come to yours for dinner tonight or Lucy won't be eating until late. Same excuse for bathing her here too, and taking my DDs pyjamas with her (which she rarely returns)

This is insane.

You must be incredibly nice, to your own detriment.

From now on you need to find your words - no, not tonight Jess, No Jess, I said I want the night to myself, can you respect that please?

Work up from there.

If you want to fade out try and be as useless and boring to her as possible.

Personally I would not be taking my dd to a violent house. I would say “I’m not having my little girl be hurt anymore, sorry. Meet us at the park if you like, but if she gets hurt we’re going home”

matilda1077 · 12/10/2024 14:20

I 100% admit I am a big people pleaser which stems from childhood, we were taught to never be seen or heard and it definitely makes me an introvert and never wanting to be an inconvenience to people. I do need to work on that, as I don't want DD to be like me. I am getting better in some instances, but in this scenario I find it hard because DD does class Lucy as her best friend and we do spend a lot of time together, but it's rarely enjoyable and there are always tantrums and violent behavior from Lucy.

I've had a sudden brain wave that DD has been asking to get back into swim lessons for a few weeks now, I was waiting for her to get settled in year R before adding clubs into the mix but now all is going well I am going to get her signed up for lessons on Tuesdays which will cancel out play dates. If she suggests any other days, I will tell her that the week is so full on and with swimming added in she's just too tired

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OriginalUsername2 · 12/10/2024 14:24

Perfect! Get her in all the clubs.

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